The Right To Bear Arms

[Little-Acorn]

If gun ownership was allowed for all law-abiding citizens, most people still wouldn't bother carrying one with them. But a few would. Often concealed.

And the best news is, someone contemplating committing a crime, would know there were no laws preventing nearly everyone in the crowd from carrying a gun in their pocket or purse. And he would know that most probably weren't carrying... and that a few people probably were. And he wouldn't know which ones they were.

So he would know that if he slugged an old lady and snatched her purse, he could expect a bullet from an unknown direction (or two). And there would be nothing he could do to prevent it, or to know which person in the crowd might fire the shot.

It's enough to make a criminal change jobs, and not commit the crime in the first place.

And that's the point.

If gun ownership is allowed for all law-abiding adults, many crimes won't get committed in the first place. And without a shot being fired. Without anyone having to pull their gun at all.

And that's the biggest benefit of gun ownership by all responsible adults.

 

[EatMorChikin]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Where is some data to support all these cc holders who turn criminal?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

 

[Flash]

If you are a CWP holder then all that really means is that you were a law abiding citizen that went through the silly government licensing process so you can be legal.

That licensing process does nothing to stop a criminal from either acquiring a gun, carrying a gun or using a gun in a crime.

That is the way it is with most gun control laws. It is only red tape for law abiding citizens and does nothing of substance to prevent the criminals from doing whatever they want to do.

It is a feel good exercise for the stupid Libtards.

 

[Brain357]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

VPC - The Violence Policy Center - Concealed Carry Killers
And that is just the killers. A recent story a janitor was fired and tried to shoot the pastor. The janitor had a carry permit....

 

[2aguy]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Where is some data to support all these cc holders who turn criminal?

You just go to the Violence Policy Center....they are a rabidly anti gun, anti 2nd Amendment site that miscounts the numbers, and counts suicided against concealed carry holders.....and when you go to Brains link.....

another thing to keep in mind......having a concealed carry permit would not have stopped these crimes....I read one where a dentist with a permit shot a cop for no reason......having a permit did not mean one thing toward the outcome of that shooting.....he could and probably would have carried without a permit considering he murdered a cop in cold blood...

So again....this site simply proves that these laws only matter for those who obey the laws.....the concealed carry process doesn't stop crime....it just burdens the good people who won't murder other people.....

 

[2aguy]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

VPC - The Violence Policy Center - Concealed Carry Killers
And that is just the killers. A recent story a janitor was fired and tried to shoot the pastor. The janitor had a carry permit....

A recent story a janitor was fired and tried to shoot the pastor. The janitor had a carry permit...

Funny that you left out the rest of that little story Brain.....and the pastor also had a concealed carry permit and shot the janitor saving the lives of those people....of course....if concealed carry was not allowed in that state...the janitor would have still had his gun because he was willing to commit murder, and the pastor would not have had his gun because he would have obeyed the law and not carried a weapon.......

So thanks Brain for showing why concealed carry laws are so important and can and do save lives.......

And the fact that you failed to finish that story should make people wary of listening to your points on the issue.....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

How many years does your supposed impartial report cover? At least 6. So out of millions of concealed carry people you have a list of 650 or so shootings, that some do not even include the supposed name of the shooter. Remind me again what the percentage is and why with such a low percentage we should prevent the VAST majority of law abiding from owning possessing and carrying? And then contrast that with all the other ways people are killed and explain why those methods which far exceed this should NOT be prevented?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

 

[Brain357]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

 

[Brain357]

How many years does your supposed impartial report cover? At least 6. So out of millions of concealed carry people you have a list of 650 or so shootings, that some do not even include the supposed name of the shooter. Remind me again what the percentage is and why with such a low percentage we should prevent the VAST majority of law abiding from owning possessing and carrying? And then contrast that with all the other ways people are killed and explain why those methods which far exceed this should NOT be prevented?

I have not suggested not allowing people to possess guns.

 

[Brain357]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

VPC - The Violence Policy Center - Concealed Carry Killers
And that is just the killers. A recent story a janitor was fired and tried to shoot the pastor. The janitor had a carry permit....

A recent story a janitor was fired and tried to shoot the pastor. The janitor had a carry permit...

Funny that you left out the rest of that little story Brain.....and the pastor also had a concealed carry permit and shot the janitor saving the lives of those people....of course....if concealed carry was not allowed in that state...the janitor would have still had his gun because he was willing to commit murder, and the pastor would not have had his gun because he would have obeyed the law and not carried a weapon.......

So thanks Brain for showing why concealed carry laws are so important and can and do save lives.......

And the fact that you failed to finish that story should make people wary of listening to your points on the issue.....

Yes because you armed a criminal another person had to shot him. Great job arming a criminal.

 

[Brain357]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Where is some data to support all these cc holders who turn criminal?

You just go to the Violence Policy Center....they are a rabidly anti gun, anti 2nd Amendment site that miscounts the numbers, and counts suicided against concealed carry holders.....and when you go to Brains link.....

another thing to keep in mind......having a concealed carry permit would not have stopped these crimes....I read one where a dentist with a permit shot a cop for no reason......having a permit did not mean one thing toward the outcome of that shooting.....he could and probably would have carried without a permit considering he murdered a cop in cold blood...

So again....this site simply proves that these laws only matter for those who obey the laws.....the concealed carry process doesn't stop crime....it just burdens the good people who won't murder other people.....

It proves you are arming criminals and often murderers.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

100 a year out of 11 million is .000009 percent of holders. so small as to be meaningless.

 

[2aguy]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Where is some data to support all these cc holders who turn criminal?

You just go to the Violence Policy Center....they are a rabidly anti gun, anti 2nd Amendment site that miscounts the numbers, and counts suicided against concealed carry holders.....and when you go to Brains link.....

another thing to keep in mind......having a concealed carry permit would not have stopped these crimes....I read one where a dentist with a permit shot a cop for no reason......having a permit did not mean one thing toward the outcome of that shooting.....he could and probably would have carried without a permit considering he murdered a cop in cold blood...

So again....this site simply proves that these laws only matter for those who obey the laws.....the concealed carry process doesn't stop crime....it just burdens the good people who won't murder other people.....

It proves you are arming criminals and often murderers.

Brain, the only ones arming criminals are obama and Eric holder and they really armed drug cartels with fully automatic weapons.......

You and your anti gun buddies insist on concealed carry permits and background checks......and when they don't work......you blame us....after we told you guys they were pointless and wouldn't work............if a person with a permit murders someone.....lock them up.....but don't blame 99.9% of permit holders who obey your dumb anti gun laws and your dumb permit process.

 

[2aguy]

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

100 a year out of 11 million is .000009 percent of holders. so small as to be meaningless.

Actually there are 11.1 million permit holders in the United States....so your number is even better.....

 

[2aguy]

You can't trust Moon Bats to get it right with "reasonable" because their agenda is too unreasonable.

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

And he was stopped by a concealed carry permit holder...don't forget to point that out.....

and again....if you took away the right to carry a weapon for self defense.....that janitor would still have brought that gun to kill those people....because he doesn't care about your law...but the pastor......he would have obeyed your stupid law and would have been unarmed facing this killer.....

your law would have killed those people not mine.....

 

[Brain357]

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

100 a year out of 11 million is .000009 percent of holders. so small as to be meaningless.

Unless you are one of the dead people. Or one of your loved ones is one of the dead. But again I said criminals not murderers, but there are obviously quite a few murders.

 

[Brain357]

Anti-gun loons are only interested in making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to self-defense.
They have no other agenda.

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

And he was stopped by a concealed carry permit holder...don't forget to point that out.....

and again....if you took away the right to carry a weapon for self defense.....that janitor would still have brought that gun to kill those people....because he doesn't care about your law...but the pastor......he would have obeyed your stupid law and would have been unarmed facing this killer.....

your law would have killed those people not mine.....

No you can't say the janitor would have been armed. But since he was armed and mad at being fired he started shooting.

 

[Brain357]

No they are interested in making it harder for criminals to get guns. Often they happen to be the same given how many comcealed carry holders turn criminal. Whether their efforts are effective is the debate.

Link us to statistics that support your bullshit claim that concealed carry permit holders turn criminal.

You claimed MANY turn criminal yet only have a little over 600 for 6 years an average of 100 a year out of millions of carry permits.

Well it is just the murders, I said turn criminal. Murder is small percent of all crime. That is quite a lot of killing for only what 11 million carrying? Now if they are killing so many one can assume there is a lot of other crimes being done. The janitor didn't actually kill anyone, but he tried and is a criminal.

100 a year out of 11 million is .000009 percent of holders. so small as to be meaningless.

Actually there are 11.1 million permit holders in the United States....so your number is even better.....

So you think it is good that concealed carry holders murder people?