The Right To Bear Arms

[KeiserC]

Believe it or not but the AR-15 was not primarily designed for 'killing people' as so many claim... As any varmint hunter knows the .223 Remington / .556NATO is sort of a mediocre varmint round for 5 - 50 pound critters. Under no circumstances are FMJ bullets good for anything but punching paper and wounding.

The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16 / revised to the M16A1. The Military deliberately changed to this platform from the very lethal M14 chambered in 7.62x51 (.308), to the diminutive .556 NATO round, primarily to wound... It was deemed more beneficial to wound a combatant thereby requiring one or more of his comrades assisting the wounded off he battle line. Secondarily it saved a tremendous amount of weight allowing for each soldier to carry significantly more rounds.

As one who reloads for a variety of .224" / .556 mm rifles it is a (fortuitous thing... please understand the context and intent of using the word fortuitous...) that these psychos with their AR varmint equipment use the ubiquitous FMJ stuff lying around at their box stores and a platform that was never really designed for lethality....

 

[Rustic]

Not now but in the future it will happen. It's inevitable. With the migrants fertility rate and civilisation reaching the US and spreading it will happen. Red necks still think it's 18th century.

Pussy

Pussy are those who have guns.
Ame4ican society is so infested with the love for guns and violence. Time to get civilised Mr redneck.

Hey, feel free to show us your "bravery" and march down a street in a Chicago ghetto at midnight, completely unarmed.

Just let us know if you prefer roses or lilies at your funeral.

If he doesn't like Chicago, I suggest the lower ninth ward in New Orleans at 2am

Both Chicago and New Orleans are cities that deal with an "iron pipeline", which is straw purchasers in lax gun law states and areas buy guns and then traffic them to the cities, where they're used in gun crimes.

By mandating universal background checks on all gun transactions and transfers, you eliminate straw purchasing and thus, eliminate the iron pipeline that traffics guns from the country to the cities, where they are used in gun crimes.

Na, Unconstitutional

 

[Rustic]

Ok, tell me exactly how a background check would work when a gangbanger sells a stolen gun to another gangbanger. That's a gun transaction, right?

Well, a background check wouldn't work on a stolen gun, but a fingerprint ID lock like my iphone has would. Which is why one of the five actions I think we should take is to mandate all new guns manufactured have the fingerprint ID lock that all smart phones now have as a standard feature.

UnConstitutional

 

[Rustic]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You know nothing of firearms, ARs are just sporting rifles Nothing more nothing less...

Anyway, You sound like a bitch in heat

 

[Rustic]

The never-give-an-inch NRA Rambo gun nuts are the greatest threat to my future gun rights. I would never own an AR-15.

How about a semiautomatic .223 like this

The rate of fire on the Mini-14 is much slower than the fire rate of the AR. You are limited to the number of rounds you can fire by that slower fire rate. For hunting, the Mini-14 blows the AR away in all areas. For Mass Kilings, the AR is king. Are you willing to compromise on making the AR and the AK of all types regulated more and gotten off the shelves at Gun Stores and out of Online Sales? If you are not, you hurt the gun culture. They just might bag the Mini-14 with the same oncoming laws that will bag the AR and AK.

Lol
You are a fucking retard, it depends on the AR you fucking dolt. ARs are in no way military grade.
Mini 14s are no better or no worse than over-the-counter ARs for hunting, you fucking pussy whipped bitch.
Like I said you know nothing of firearms whatsoever, you’re a fucking progressive shit stain who watches too many Hollywood movies made by child molesting Hollywood types. Go back to your safe space you fucking spineless coward.

 

[The Derp]

Pussy

Pussy are those who have guns.
Ame4ican society is so infested with the love for guns and violence. Time to get civilised Mr redneck.

Hey, feel free to show us your "bravery" and march down a street in a Chicago ghetto at midnight, completely unarmed.

Just let us know if you prefer roses or lilies at your funeral.

If he doesn't like Chicago, I suggest the lower ninth ward in New Orleans at 2am

Both Chicago and New Orleans are cities that deal with an "iron pipeline", which is straw purchasers in lax gun law states and areas buy guns and then traffic them to the cities, where they're used in gun crimes.

By mandating universal background checks on all gun transactions and transfers, you eliminate straw purchasing and thus, eliminate the iron pipeline that traffics guns from the country to the cities, where they are used in gun crimes.

Na, Unconstitutional

How are background checks unconstitutional? The Supreme Court ruled they were Constitutional, so you saying they aren't is either you being misinformed, or you being a troll.

 

[The Derp]

Ok, tell me exactly how a background check would work when a gangbanger sells a stolen gun to another gangbanger. That's a gun transaction, right?

Well, a background check wouldn't work on a stolen gun, but a fingerprint ID lock like my iphone has would. Which is why one of the five actions I think we should take is to mandate all new guns manufactured have the fingerprint ID lock that all smart phones now have as a standard feature.

UnConstitutional

Not according to the Supreme Court.

 

[Rustic]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

I sort of agree that no average citizen needs an assault rifle with a large capacity magazine. But the problem comes in defining the weapons and the slippery slope that the libs would put the entire subject on.

a better solution would be to get mentally ill people off the streets and not allow them to buy or own any kind of gun. We used to have places where people like the fla shooter would be committed, that no longer happens because we are obsessed with PC and cant hurt anyone's feelings, even if it saves innocent lives.

You try and make it Political. It's not any more Political than the Non Political Mass Murderers. It's not about politics, it's about how do we minimize the damage and body count.

Criminal control not gun control, dumbass

 

[The Derp]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You know nothing of firearms, ARs are just sporting rifles Nothing more nothing less...

Anyway, You sound like a bitch in heat

OK, so 323 people were killed by AR-15's and 496 were killed by hammers.

BUT

Were the 323 people killed by AR-15's killed in 323 separate incidents, or just a handful of incidents? Same question for the hammers...

 

[Rustic]

you keep saying background checks on all gun transactions, but you cant answer the question of how you do that when a criminal sells a gun to another criminal or trades a gun for a hit of coke.

OMFG...you are being a fucking idiot on purpose, aren't you?

As I said before, background checks won't work on stolen guns because they're stolen.

But fingerprint ID locks would work, which is why it's the second thing I list.

You keep ignoring that, why? Because you don't want to admit that your blanket support for guns is flawed. I think it's even more personal than that...I think you just don't want to admit that what I'm proposing is reasonable because your mushy brain is paranoid and thinks I'm out to get you. I can assure you I'm not. I really, truly do not care about your personal life at all. I doubt anyone does.

That is unconstitutional, firearm ownership is an right, cell phones are not...

 

[Rustic]

Pussy are those who have guns.
Ame4ican society is so infested with the love for guns and violence. Time to get civilised Mr redneck.

Hey, feel free to show us your "bravery" and march down a street in a Chicago ghetto at midnight, completely unarmed.

Just let us know if you prefer roses or lilies at your funeral.

If he doesn't like Chicago, I suggest the lower ninth ward in New Orleans at 2am

Both Chicago and New Orleans are cities that deal with an "iron pipeline", which is straw purchasers in lax gun law states and areas buy guns and then traffic them to the cities, where they're used in gun crimes.

By mandating universal background checks on all gun transactions and transfers, you eliminate straw purchasing and thus, eliminate the iron pipeline that traffics guns from the country to the cities, where they are used in gun crimes.

Na, Unconstitutional

How are background checks unconstitutional? The Supreme Court ruled they were Constitutional, so you saying they aren't is either you being misinformed, or you being a troll.

Private sales firearm sales are absolutely none of the federal government business... end of story

 

[The Derp]

That is unconstitutional, firearm ownership is an right, cell phones are not...

Your right to a firearm isn't infringed by fingerprint ID locks.

 

[The Derp]

Private sales firearm sales are absolutely none of the federal government business... end of story

Too bad they are our business because the straw purchasing is exactly the reason and way guns end up in cities like Chicago, where they're used in crimes.

And how does a background check infringe on your right to owning a firearm? It doesn't. You cannot say how it does that.

 

[Rustic]

Ok, tell me exactly how a background check would work when a gangbanger sells a stolen gun to another gangbanger. That's a gun transaction, right?

Well, a background check wouldn't work on a stolen gun, but a fingerprint ID lock like my iphone has would. Which is why one of the five actions I think we should take is to mandate all new guns manufactured have the fingerprint ID lock that all smart phones now have as a standard feature.

UnConstitutional

Not according to the Supreme Court.

phones are not a right, firearm ownership is an absolute right enless the individual fucks up...

 

[Rustic]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You know nothing of firearms, ARs are just sporting rifles Nothing more nothing less...

Anyway, You sound like a bitch in heat

OK, so 323 people were killed by AR-15's and 496 were killed by hammers.

BUT

Were the 323 people killed by AR-15's killed in 323 separate incidents, or just a handful of incidents? Same question for the hammers...

It doesn’t matter, people kill people not firearms… End of story

 

[KeiserC]

Pussy

Pussy are those who have guns.
Ame4ican society is so infested with the love for guns and violence. Time to get civilised Mr redneck.

Hey, feel free to show us your "bravery" and march down a street in a Chicago ghetto at midnight, completely unarmed.

Just let us know if you prefer roses or lilies at your funeral.

If he doesn't like Chicago, I suggest the lower ninth ward in New Orleans at 2am

Both Chicago and New Orleans are cities that deal with an "iron pipeline", which is straw purchasers in lax gun law states and areas buy guns and then traffic them to the cities, where they're used in gun crimes.

By mandating universal background checks on all gun transactions and transfers, you eliminate straw purchasing and thus, eliminate the iron pipeline that traffics guns from the country to the cities, where they are used in gun crimes.

Na, Unconstitutional

Just an anecdotal point here... Most Vermonters have a slew of guns that have never darkened the door of a FFL dealer. They get passed around like poker chips... "trade the 30-30 Marlin for the truck bed of the 1998 F250" It's just the reality in "middle America" the "flyover country"... It's entertaining as can be to hear the 'Metro based libs' talking from their sanctimonious 'metrocentric' ivory towers.... BTW I grew up in NYC / north NJ Bergen County as a rich 'boarding - prep school kid', LA & Sandiego for 11 years, Boston for 3 years... I've seen both sides.

'Sheite' I've boughten two rifles while pumping gas.. saw it in the truck window - wanted it - bought / bartered for it... Done...

 

[Rustic]

That is unconstitutional, firearm ownership is an right, cell phones are not...

Your right to a firearm isn't infringed by fingerprint ID locks.

Yes it is, there is no need for ID locks. You can’t force that shit on law-abiding people

 

[The Derp]

Ok, tell me exactly how a background check would work when a gangbanger sells a stolen gun to another gangbanger. That's a gun transaction, right?

Well, a background check wouldn't work on a stolen gun, but a fingerprint ID lock like my iphone has would. Which is why one of the five actions I think we should take is to mandate all new guns manufactured have the fingerprint ID lock that all smart phones now have as a standard feature.

UnConstitutional

Not according to the Supreme Court.

phones are not a right, firearm ownership is an absolute right enless the individual fucks up...

A fingerprint ID or a background check doesn't infringe on your right to own a gun.

 

[The Derp]

It doesn’t matter, people kill people not firearms… End of story

Nukes don't kill people, people kill people. So Kim Jong Un should get all the nukes he wants.

There, you see how fucking stupid that argument is?

 

[Rustic]

I am asking practical questions. you are posting talking points and bullshit."

No, I'm responding to your questions...you're just not getting the answers you want and are finding yourself persuaded by my argument...but because you have the world's shittiest ego, you can't bring yourself to admit that what I'm proposing is reasonable for whatever fucking psychological reason you have.

Explain how what I'm proposing are "talking points" when you agree with me!

• You do agree that guns should have fingerprint ID locks so only the owner can use them, right? Why wouldn't you agree to that?
• And you agree that all gun transactions and transfers should be subject to a background check, right? Why wouldn't you agree to that?
• And surely you agree that domestic abusers shouldn't be allowed to own guns, right? Why wouldn't you agree to that?
• And surely you also agree that terrorists or suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to own guns, right? Why wouldn't you agree to that?
• And of course you also agree that mentally ill people should be encouraged to go to mental health treatment and therapy, right? Why wouldn't you agree to that?

I think the reason you won't agree to it is simply a matter of your ego.

I understand finger print locks. I have one on my gun safe. I don't have one on my gun in my car because I don't want to have to say "wait a minute Mr criminal while I activate my fingerprint lock"

How long does it take to activate the fingerprint ID lock on your smart phone? Because mine is instantaneous, the moment I put my finger on the home button of my iphone X.

Your dirty harry vigilante fantasy notwithstanding, I don't see how a fingerprint ID lock for your gun is any different than a safety switch. In fact, you could eliminate the safety switch if you wanted and just have your fingerprint unlock everything. That technology exists.

My iPad 10.5 pro basically sucks because the fingerprint sensor never works worth of shit… Anyway that’s irrelevant no one should be forced into such bullshit