The rise of fascism, nationalism and populism today

[owebo]

And those particular tool owners should be registered.

So we should require all religious people to register?

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

Not under Obama.....

 

[Coyote]

Using the same logic: religion doesn't kill, people do. Right? Religion is just a tool.

And those particular tool owners should be registered.

So we should require all religious people to register?

You're the one comparing religion to guns and guns to cars. You're all over the place.

Guns are objects, like cars. Freedom of religion and the right to bear arms are rights. But they aren't unlimited.

We aren't required to offer said rights to any swinging dick out there, that's the point. It the region is full of problems we better see if they are worthy of those rights, not offer it up like candy.

I'm talking about American citizens only.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

"Fascism is loosely defined as a form of extreme “authoritarian nationalism” identified with Italy’s Mussolini. It’s principle attributes were an aggressive nationalism, a militarized society, a populist charismatic leader and prolific promises to cure every political and economic ill. It was particularly appealing to an economically depressed post-war society that had seen its way of life and culture turned upside down. Fascism promised action, not diplomacy, not nuance, even if it could not in reality deliver on those promises.

Mussolini was the “anti-establishment outsider” who became the voice of all those disillusioned with the government, the democratic process, and the economy. His rhetoric attracted the unemployed, the economically disenfranchised, veterans, and nationalists. In 1922, when Italy’s king called on Mussolini to form a government he had no idea what that entailed other than fulfilling a personal ambition for power.

In 1938, fascism took on distinctly racist/anti-semitic overtones when it began to collaborate with the Nazi’s. Italy passed it’s “Italian Racial Laws”. These laws codified what had previously been a campaign conducted in the media with the publication of the “Manifesto of Race” Manifesto of Race - Wikipedia This manifesto declared Italians to be of a superior race, and targeted other races as “inferior” - notably Jews and immigrants from Italy’s colonies. They were banned from marrying Italians, and from positions in banking, education, government and their property was confiscated.

Fascism, extreme nationalism and ideas of racial, ethnic, cultural or religious superiority are closely entertwined. Almost every country that has seen a rise in populist movements, such as fascism, has also seen a rise in anti-immigrant sentiment, legislation targeting specific racial, ethnic or religious groups and a rise in “justified” violence or special restrictions aimed at those groups.

World War 2 saw increased nationalistic fervor after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. American citizens of Japanese were first required to register. Then, their assets were frozen. Then they were ordered to “assembly points” and interned. Their property was confiscated. American citizens of Italian and German descent joined them. Is it so impossible for people to conceive of the fact that American citizens regardless of their ancestry are Americans first? Apparently it is.

We want to say “that was then, this is now”. That today is somehow different. But is it?

Look at the rise of populist rightwing movements across Europe and with the recent election of Donald Trump.

Geert Wilders, recently in the news again and with a very real chance of winning a government now with a coalition. What is the platform for his Party for Freedom?

They include the predictable anti-immigrant/Islam rhetoric, including completely banning an entire religion, closing all mosques and banning the Koran, the withdrawal of all residence permits granted to asylum seekers, and some rather obscurely defined planks such as:

Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order (defined how?)
Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims (determined how?).​

They also include populist promisies that likely can't be delivered upon:

The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.
Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.
Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated
Rents to be lowered
No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.
Plenty extra funds for defense and police
Lower income taxes
50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes​

Donald Trump campaigned on deporting immigrants and halting immigration, registries for Muslims, border security, tax cuts, bringing jobs back and increased defense. Supporters don’t rule out internment camps and banning entire religions. Mussolini attacked the leftwing media and attempted to close them down, a few managed to continue to operate under difficult conditions. We've heard Trump rail about the media and we've heard him propose legislation against them and creating his own media service.

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world."

So in a nutshell; the total failure of the left is responsible for the rise of fascism

 

[Coyote]

So we should require all religious people to register?

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

Not under Obama.....

Bullshit.

 

[owebo]

You're the one comparing religion to guns and guns to cars. You're all over the place.

Guns are objects, like cars. Freedom of religion and the right to bear arms are rights. But they aren't unlimited.

They should be.....

Why?

Rights are typically limited when the conflict with another's rights or public safety. You think that is a bad idea?

You mean freedom is taken....a right is a right, not limited by anything.....

Sure it is. Your right to free speech stops short of invoking a riot for example. Your freedom of expression doesn't give you the right to punch me in the nose.

No, it doesn't....you do understand what a right is, don't you?

 

[Edgetho]

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.

Then maybe dimocraps should try not pushing the average American to the edge.

They got Trump because -- They deserve him.

It really is just that simple.

Crying about it isn't going to do the least little bit of good. Changing the dimocrap scum party might. Giving Americans a choice between 'hard' right (it isn't but if it's your perception, what you think is real enough to you) and hard, communistic, authoritarian, Orwellian leftists would be nice.

But what does the dimocrap scum party do? They double down on stupid.

Trump is here to stay. Get used to it.

Or get gone

 

[ptbw forever]

That was during a declaration of war, coyote.

And that somehow makes it right or different? Now we have the so-called "War against terrorism" or as some would call it war against Islam.

So what exactly are you saying NLT, that you agree with registering American citizens, confiscating their property, interning them indefinately?

No...that is what a democrat did to American citizens...we don't want to let democrats do that again.....

Only one politician opposed the internment, Republican Governor Carr of Colorado. The rest, Republican and Democrat were behind it.

As for today?

Nearly 50% of Trump Supporters in Iowa Think Japanese Internment Camps Were a Good Idea
Trump supporter cites Japanese internment 'precedent' in backing Muslim registry

A Muslim registry of foreigners is nowhere near as extreme as imprisonment of American citizens due to national background....

It is not so much as "precedent" as pointing out how hysterical you retards are about this "fascism" crap.

 

[owebo]

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

Not under Obama.....

Bullshit.

Obama backed the terrorists.....think Egypt and ISIL.....

 

[Coyote]

And that somehow makes it right or different? Now we have the so-called "War against terrorism" or as some would call it war against Islam.

So what exactly are you saying NLT, that you agree with registering American citizens, confiscating their property, interning them indefinately?

No...that is what a democrat did to American citizens...we don't want to let democrats do that again.....

Only one politician opposed the internment, Republican Governor Carr of Colorado. The rest, Republican and Democrat were behind it.

As for today?

Nearly 50% of Trump Supporters in Iowa Think Japanese Internment Camps Were a Good Idea
Trump supporter cites Japanese internment 'precedent' in backing Muslim registry

A Muslim registry of foreigners is nowhere near as extreme as imprisonment of American citizens due to national background....

It is not so much as "precedent" as pointing out how hysterical you retards are about this "fascism" crap.

It's the first step.

 

[Coyote]

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.

Then maybe dimocraps should try not pushing the average American to the edge.

They got Trump because -- They deserve him.

It really is just that simple.

Crying about it isn't going to do the least little bit of good. Changing the dimocrap scum party might. Giving Americans a choice between 'hard' right (it isn't but if it's your perception, what you think is real enough to you) and hard, communistic, authoritarian, Orwellian leftists would be nice.

But what does the dimocrap scum party do? They double down on stupid.

Trump is here to stay. Get used to it.

Or get gone

I intend to stay. It's MY country.

 

[ptbw forever]

So what exactly are you saying NLT, that you agree with registering American citizens, confiscating their property, interning them indefinately?

No...that is what a democrat did to American citizens...we don't want to let democrats do that again.....

Only one politician opposed the internment, Republican Governor Carr of Colorado. The rest, Republican and Democrat were behind it.

As for today?

Nearly 50% of Trump Supporters in Iowa Think Japanese Internment Camps Were a Good Idea
Trump supporter cites Japanese internment 'precedent' in backing Muslim registry

A Muslim registry of foreigners is nowhere near as extreme as imprisonment of American citizens due to national background....

It is not so much as "precedent" as pointing out how hysterical you retards are about this "fascism" crap.

It's the first step.

To what? Imprisonment of over 1.5 billion people?

 

[Coyote]

Guns are objects, like cars. Freedom of religion and the right to bear arms are rights. But they aren't unlimited.

They should be.....

Why?

Rights are typically limited when the conflict with another's rights or public safety. You think that is a bad idea?

You mean freedom is taken....a right is a right, not limited by anything.....

Sure it is. Your right to free speech stops short of invoking a riot for example. Your freedom of expression doesn't give you the right to punch me in the nose.

No, it doesn't....you do understand what a right is, don't you?

Yes. I do.

 

[Iceweasel]

And those particular tool owners should be registered.

So we should require all religious people to register?

You're the one comparing religion to guns and guns to cars. You're all over the place.

Guns are objects, like cars. Freedom of religion and the right to bear arms are rights. But they aren't unlimited.

We aren't required to offer said rights to any swinging dick out there, that's the point. It the region is full of problems we better see if they are worthy of those rights, not offer it up like candy.

I'm talking about American citizens only.

Not me, I'm talking about a welcome mat for all who come across the border, regardless of origins.

 

[owebo]

I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.

Then maybe dimocraps should try not pushing the average American to the edge.

They got Trump because -- They deserve him.

It really is just that simple.

Crying about it isn't going to do the least little bit of good. Changing the dimocrap scum party might. Giving Americans a choice between 'hard' right (it isn't but if it's your perception, what you think is real enough to you) and hard, communistic, authoritarian, Orwellian leftists would be nice.

But what does the dimocrap scum party do? They double down on stupid.

Trump is here to stay. Get used to it.

Or get gone

I intend to stay. It's MY country.

Then....

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

And those particular tool owners should be registered.

So we should require all religious people to register?

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

But they were not on it, hence they were not registered. But they did have something in common...Islam.

 

[Edgetho]

Obama backed the terrorists.....think Egypt and ISIL.....

And Ubercunt's "Gal Friday" (yeah.... Right) had serious connections to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Doesn't necessarily indict her but the connections are real and they are present

 

[owebo]

They should be.....

Why?

Rights are typically limited when the conflict with another's rights or public safety. You think that is a bad idea?

You mean freedom is taken....a right is a right, not limited by anything.....

Sure it is. Your right to free speech stops short of invoking a riot for example. Your freedom of expression doesn't give you the right to punch me in the nose.

No, it doesn't....you do understand what a right is, don't you?

Yes. I do.

Do try again and tell us......since you were clueless the first time....

 

[Coyote]

So we should require all religious people to register?

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

But they were not on it, hence they were not registered. But they did have something in common...Islam.

Hmmm....they also have guns in common.

 

[The Original Tree]

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

Not under Obama.....

Bullshit.

Obama backed the terrorists.....think Egypt and ISIL.....

"Obama backed the terrorists.....think Egypt and ISIL....."


You left out Yemen, Libya, and Obama-Clinton funding in money and arms of Al Nusra in Syria, as well as helping to funnel arms to Hamas, and in addition to our financial and arms supports of The Muslim Brotherhood.

And let's not even discuss what a cluster fuck it was to hand over pallets of Euros to Iran, THEE world's biggest State Funded Terrorist Nation.

Obama Bin Laden - Hillary Clinton team goes down in history as the Champions and leaders of funding terrorism around the world BAR NONE.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

No, no religions need their members registered. Terrorist organizations need to registered, tried and punished.

They already are.

And that is where we disagree. Please list the registration body of the Boston Bombers, Fl nightclub shooter, etc.

Terrorist groups are registered or listed as terrorist groups by the FBI, for example. If people are suspected of being associated with them, I'm sure records are maintained.

But they were not on it, hence they were not registered. But they did have something in common...Islam.

Hmmm....they also have guns in common.

Not the bombers or 9/11 hijackers.