The Socialism boogeyman

[Mac1958]

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

 

[MisterBeale]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

So what you are saying is that as America has become increasingly socialist, the American people have grown unhappy with the economy. I would agree!

I would also agree that capitalism is the one being blamed, as where the blame lies completely on socialism

And Scandinavia is not a socialist country. Socialism is government running industry, like you would have seen in the former USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea, not Europe. But once again, the capitalism of Scandinavia, or what is left of it, is why it is much more preferable to the actual socialist hell holes I just mentioned.

This is spot on.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

America has become hyper-consumerist. . . the typical American doesn't feel like they have enough stuff, they want more and MORE AND MORE STUFF.

Thus, they feel like they want the government to pick up costs they are tired of paying all the time, so they can buy toys, and vacations, and booze and drugs.

They want the government to pay the rent, the utilities, the tuition, the health care, to provide food, so folks can use disposable income on travel and toys.

Americans are looking at "socialism" because they want to live like the rich and famous. So they have enough money to buy that latest model of the iphone, of that newest car model or can afford a better house.

. . yet, if you have socialism, there are NO LUXURIES. There are no vacations, there are no cars, no toys, no fashion, not anything, no freedom at all.

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

So what you are saying is that as America has become increasingly socialist, the American people have grown unhappy with the economy. I would agree!

I would also agree that capitalism is the one being blamed, as where the blame lies completely on socialism

And Scandinavia is not a socialist country. Socialism is government running industry, like you would have seen in the former USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea, not Europe. But once again, the capitalism of Scandinavia, or what is left of it, is why it is much more preferable to the actual socialist hell holes I just mentioned.

This is spot on.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

America has become hyper-consumerist. . . the typical American doesn't feel like they have enough stuff, they want more and MORE AND MORE STUFF.

Thus, they feel like they want the government to pick up costs they are tired of paying all the time, so they can buy toys, and vacations, and booze and drugs.

They want the government to pay the rent, the utilities, the tuition, the health care, to provide food, so folks can use disposable income on travel and toys.

Americans are looking at "socialism" because they want to live like the rich and famous. So they have enough money to buy that latest model of the iphone, of that newest car model or can afford a better house.

. . yet, if you have socialism, there are NO LUXURIES. There are no vacations, there are no cars, no toys, no fashion, not anything, no freedom at all.

You should buy a book called, "Hitler's Beneficiaries"

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=hitler's...359635&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&tag=ff0d01-20

In it, you will see how Hitler centralized power and spent the wealth of the country on 2 things, which is the military and socialism. For you see, Hitler feared an uprising during the war like there was during WW 2 because of the poor living condition, so he made certain that the living condition of the populace was the highest in the world, which it was till the very end of the war.

Essentially Hitler bought the souls of a war weary populace steeped in genocide.

So in the US with the government spending trillions on both the military and socialistic type policies and with the genocide of abortion that has snuffed out around 50 million, who do they remind us of?

 

[MisterBeale]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

In all of history Socialism has never worked.... but fools keep insisting it will this time

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny, since Trump is a HYPER Keynesian, spending like a drunken sailor in a period of growth, screaming at the Fed to keep rates low, and allowing the NY Fed to pour $1.5 TRILLION into short term credit markets to grease the system in 2019.

This is why I no longer get into economic "conversations" with Trumpsters. It's depressing.

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny you should mention Keyens who FDR and Progressives adore.

For you see, Keyens thought that his economic theories were better suited to totalitarian regimes and praised Hitler before it was cool to hate him

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4401913?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny, since Trump is a HYPER Keynesian, spending like a drunken sailor in a period of growth, screaming at the Fed to keep rates low, and allowing the NY Fed to pour $1.5 TRILLION into short term credit markets to grease the system in 2019.

This is why I no longer get into economic "conversations" with Trumpsters. It's depressing.

Could you imagine a politician saying they were going to balance a budget? They could never attain office nor have they been able to do so.

But I agree, it's not good.

 

[Hum Dinger]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

America is no longer "The Land of Opportunity". It's a strongly classful society...you are what your parents were.

The wealthy have burned almost all bridges behind them.

So why not socialism? Most of the wealthy did not earn their wealth or if they did it's only because they started life in a very advantaged position economically.

Sure, there will always be a tiny number of people that go from rags to riches, but for most people it's a whole lot more likely that they go from middle-class to poverty. Most are a lay off away from being homeless.

Socialism gives people the one thing that capitalism gives only a tiny few....SECURITY.

 

[MisterBeale]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

So what you are saying is that as America has become increasingly socialist, the American people have grown unhappy with the economy. I would agree!

I would also agree that capitalism is the one being blamed, as where the blame lies completely on socialism

And Scandinavia is not a socialist country. Socialism is government running industry, like you would have seen in the former USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea, not Europe. But once again, the capitalism of Scandinavia, or what is left of it, is why it is much more preferable to the actual socialist hell holes I just mentioned.

This is spot on.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

America has become hyper-consumerist. . . the typical American doesn't feel like they have enough stuff, they want more and MORE AND MORE STUFF.

Thus, they feel like they want the government to pick up costs they are tired of paying all the time, so they can buy toys, and vacations, and booze and drugs.

They want the government to pay the rent, the utilities, the tuition, the health care, to provide food, so folks can use disposable income on travel and toys.

Americans are looking at "socialism" because they want to live like the rich and famous. So they have enough money to buy that latest model of the iphone, of that newest car model or can afford a better house.

. . yet, if you have socialism, there are NO LUXURIES. There are no vacations, there are no cars, no toys, no fashion, not anything, no freedom at all.

You should buy a book called, "Hitler's Beneficiaries"

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=hitler's+beneficiaries&hvadid=78683855359635&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&tag=ff0d01-20

In it, you will see how Hitler centralized power and spent the wealth of the country on 2 things, which is the military and socialism. For you see, Hitler feared an uprising during the war like there was during WW 2 because of the poor living condition, so he made certain that the living condition of the populace was the highest in the world, which it was till the very end of the war.

Essentially Hitler bought the souls of a war weary populace steeped in genocide.

So in the US with the government spending trillions on both the military and socialistic type policies and with the genocide of abortion that has snuffed out around 50 million, who do they remind us of?

Yeah, I know all this.

I started my poli-sci career as a far left liberal. I started by analzing the beats, the hippies, etc.

Most folks don't realized that the counter culture was completely against PC. And against government privatization of the economy.

When I talk to my liberal friends, even the ones on the far left, they are in complete denial. I ask them, why would huge mega corporations be supporting ostensibly "Marxist" BLM?

FIGURE IT OUT!

The left is being fooled into being the very thing that they believe they are fighting against.

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny, since Trump is a HYPER Keynesian, spending like a drunken sailor in a period of growth, screaming at the Fed to keep rates low, and allowing the NY Fed to pour $1.5 TRILLION into short term credit markets to grease the system in 2019.

This is why I no longer get into economic "conversations" with Trumpsters. It's depressing.

Woah, slow your roll buddy.

Remember, we disapprove of Trump and the budget he is forced by the congress to approve as much as you do.

IT IS CONGRESS that makes budget.

I am surprised that you have been on a political forum this long and you do not know how the American system of government work.

He would have two choices, A) pass crappy compromise budget after compromise budget, or B) shut the shit show down and pass CR after CR like Obama did year after year. . .

and the press was easy on Obie for that shit, how do you think they would have been on Trump?

Are you serious with this shit?

You know I am no "Trumpster," so why do you have to throw out inane ad hom when you are looking like a fool? To my knowledge, I don't think Votto is either.

.. . . and I know you aren't a mindless partisan, so stop with that bullshit already.

 

[dblack]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Since most socialists in the US say that they are "Democratic Socialists" I usually go by the definition on their website: What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

What is Democratic Socialism?

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

I believe that neither society, nor the economy, should be "run" - democratically or otherwise. I prefer free society and free markets where people run things as they see fit.

 

[John T. Ford]

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

Just that ....

A free ride without education and hard work.

 

[John T. Ford]

I am pretty sure Venezuelans fear the Socialist Boogeyman too .....

 

[John T. Ford]

Think these Cubans feared the Socialist Boogeyman?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny, since Trump is a HYPER Keynesian, spending like a drunken sailor in a period of growth, screaming at the Fed to keep rates low, and allowing the NY Fed to pour $1.5 TRILLION into short term credit markets to grease the system in 2019.

This is why I no longer get into economic "conversations" with Trumpsters. It's depressing.

But here you are....

 

[DBA]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

You need to talk to more people who come to the US from Communist countries. They have a totally different perspective and typically can see exactly where the left is headed, and it isn't good.