The Socialism boogeyman

[DBA]

Dupe

 

[Mac1958]

Dupe

Ironic

 

[John T. Ford]

Think these Brazilians fear the Socialist Boogeyman?

 

[DBA]

Dupe

Ironic

Not at all ironic. I am very familiar with how things should work in a capitalistic society and it doesn't remotely resemble anything the current Democratic platform. Maybe you are unfamiliar with the definition of capitalism:

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

You evidently have yet to figure out the Democrats are all about the state controlling everything. You are a dupe.

 

[John T. Ford]

How about the Socialist Republican of Vietnam?

Think anyone there fears the Socialist Boogeyman?

 

[John T. Ford]

Only an Uneducated and/or Brainwashed FOOL would not be able to see the EVILS of Marxism.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

So you think that socialists-however you define it- do not value education and hard work? You think that people are either socialist or not? That there is nothing in between? You think that socialism means sitting back and living on the government dime.? Is you understanding of how things work really that simplistic?

 

[dudmuck]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Since most socialists in the US say that they are "Democratic Socialists" I usually go by the definition on their website: What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

What is Democratic Socialism?

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

I believe that neither society, nor the economy, should be "run" - democratically or otherwise. I prefer free society and free markets where people run things as they see fit.

The employee-employer relationship is not democratic.

 

[Votto]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

So what you are saying is that as America has become increasingly socialist, the American people have grown unhappy with the economy. I would agree!

I would also agree that capitalism is the one being blamed, as where the blame lies completely on socialism

And Scandinavia is not a socialist country. Socialism is government running industry, like you would have seen in the former USSR and Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea, not Europe. But once again, the capitalism of Scandinavia, or what is left of it, is why it is much more preferable to the actual socialist hell holes I just mentioned.

This is spot on.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

America has become hyper-consumerist. . . the typical American doesn't feel like they have enough stuff, they want more and MORE AND MORE STUFF.

Thus, they feel like they want the government to pick up costs they are tired of paying all the time, so they can buy toys, and vacations, and booze and drugs.

They want the government to pay the rent, the utilities, the tuition, the health care, to provide food, so folks can use disposable income on travel and toys.

Americans are looking at "socialism" because they want to live like the rich and famous. So they have enough money to buy that latest model of the iphone, of that newest car model or can afford a better house.

. . yet, if you have socialism, there are NO LUXURIES. There are no vacations, there are no cars, no toys, no fashion, not anything, no freedom at all.

You should buy a book called, "Hitler's Beneficiaries"

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=hitler's+beneficiaries&hvadid=78683855359635&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&tag=ff0d01-20

In it, you will see how Hitler centralized power and spent the wealth of the country on 2 things, which is the military and socialism. For you see, Hitler feared an uprising during the war like there was during WW 2 because of the poor living condition, so he made certain that the living condition of the populace was the highest in the world, which it was till the very end of the war.

Essentially Hitler bought the souls of a war weary populace steeped in genocide.

So in the US with the government spending trillions on both the military and socialistic type policies and with the genocide of abortion that has snuffed out around 50 million, who do they remind us of?

Yeah, I know all this.

I started my poli-sci career as a far left liberal. I started by analzing the beats, the hippies, etc.

Most folks don't realized that the counter culture was completely against PC. And against government privatization of the economy.

When I talk to my liberal friends, even the ones on the far left, they are in complete denial. I ask them, why would huge mega corporations be supporting ostensibly "Marxist" BLM?

FIGURE IT OUT!

The left is being fooled into being the very thing that they believe they are fighting against.

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

But you won't define what you mean by Marxism and socialism, much like Bernie Sanders who refers to both Europe and Cuba as "socialist" even though there are major differences as I have pointed out.

So you have made no points at all, rather, you have an aversion to providing clarity on the subject, which is either intentional or you don't have the intellectual capacity to undertake.

Yeah, Mac is married to DNC idealogy, which has been married to Keynesian economics for the past century, which, is starting to come up short, and has no other choice but to turn to draconian austerity or privatization dirigism government/economic policies. This, of course, is diametrically opposed, as dirigisme is the opposite to laissez-faire.

The simple fact of the matter is, if the folks that support the DNC, and to a lesser extent, the GOP, ever found out that the US pursues the same type of policies that facist Italy and Germany do, it would be all over for our corrupt leaders. WE DON'T PRACTICE SOCIALISM, WE PRACTICE FASCISM.

Funny, since Trump is a HYPER Keynesian, spending like a drunken sailor in a period of growth, screaming at the Fed to keep rates low, and allowing the NY Fed to pour $1.5 TRILLION into short term credit markets to grease the system in 2019.

This is why I no longer get into economic "conversations" with Trumpsters. It's depressing.

You know I am no "Trumpster," so why do you have to throw out inane ad hom when you are looking like a fool? To my knowledge, I don't think Votto is either.

.. . . and I know you aren't a mindless partisan, so stop with that bullshit already.

Well ya know, when Biden supports the Green New Deal to spend around a $100 trillion to fight the naturally occurring gas carbon dioxide and wants nationalize health care which will end up being about as expensive as the Green New Deal and wants to raise taxes on a people burdened by a failing economy and starts talking about liking children rubbing his legs and sitting on his lap I all of a sudden become a Trump fanatic!

 

[22lcidw]

How about the Socialist Republican of Vietnam?

Think anyone there fears the Socialist Boogeyman?

On the other hand it is waterfront property.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

How about the Socialist Republican of Vietnam?

Think anyone there fears the Socialist Boogeyman?

The economic system must be evaluated in the context of the political system. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Anyone who points to Vietnam or North Korea, or any other dictatorship to claim that is what the US will look like if socialism takes hold is a fool or a shameless fear monger using false cause and false equivalency logical fallacies because they have no real argument

 

[BluesLegend]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore

Get a job and pay your own damn bills you mooching lazy deadbeats.

 

[Votto]

How about the Socialist Republican of Vietnam?

Think anyone there fears the Socialist Boogeyman?

The economic system must be evaluated in the context of the political system. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Anyone who points to Vietnam or North Korea, or any other dictatorship to claim that is what the US will look like if socialism takes hold is a fool or a shameless fear monger using false cause and false equivalency logical fallacies because they have no real argument

Venezuela was the most prosperous country in South American until socialism took root.

Now they eat out of garbage cans, assuming they can dodge the death squads that go round eliminating any suspected political rivals.

You know, it's a Marxist thingy.

 

[John T. Ford]

On the other hand it is waterfront property.

Yep ...

And, more shit in it than the Streets of San Franpsycho !!!!

 

[MisterBeale]

I am pretty sure Venezuelans fear the Socialist Boogeyman too .....

wow.

One of the producers and assistants for this;

Going Viral: The 'Trump Unity Bridge' Turns Black Lives Matter Confrontation into a MAGA YMCA Dance Party (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

On August 22, a violent Black Lives Matter mob confronted a group of Trump supporters in Beverly Hills.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Recently made a video in downtown L.A. Unfortunately, it is only viewable and streamed on FB. But it looked really eerily similar to those photos.

 

[John T. Ford]

The economic system must be evaluated in the context of the political system. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Anyone who points to Vietnam or North Korea, or any other dictatorship to claim that is what the US will look like if socialism takes hold is a fool or a shameless fear monger using false cause and false equivalency logical fallacies because they have no real argument

Please do not respond to my post like you have a frickin' clue about what is going on in reality.

 

[BluesLegend]

Things are going so great in Dem/Liberal run cities and states, riots, burning, looting, assault and murder on a grand scale. Right lets throw in with Dems they are doing a great job.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The economic system must be evaluated in the context of the political system. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Anyone who points to Vietnam or North Korea, or any other dictatorship to claim that is what the US will look like if socialism takes hold is a fool or a shameless fear monger using false cause and false equivalency logical fallacies because they have no real argument

Please do not respond to my post like you have a frickin' clue about what is going on in reality.

You are also relying on a slippery slope and weak analogy fallacy. You are the one who has no clue

 

[Votto]

Things are going so great in Dem/Liberal run cities and states, riots, burning, looting, assault and murder on a grand scale. Right lets throw in with Dems they are doing a great job.

The frightening thing is, we all know they will continue to vote "D".

It is like Californians who have voted "D" for decades who are leaving the state because of the conditions there politically, yet when they move they continue to vote the same so that they can destroy that state as well.

I have concluded that this is due to some form of cultish brain washing, much like Jim Jones who was also an ardent Marxist. Leftism is more of a cancer than political ideology.

 

[John T. Ford]

wow.

One of the producers and assistants for this;

Going Viral: The 'Trump Unity Bridge' Turns Black Lives Matter Confrontation into a MAGA YMCA Dance Party (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

On August 22, a violent Black Lives Matter mob confronted a group of Trump supporters in Beverly Hills.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Recently made a video in downtown L.A. Unfortunately, it is only viewable and streamed on FB. But it looked really eerily similar to those photos.

Your video of Joy Villa completely debunks the OP's psycho pro communist push.

Excellent post.

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