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So, I take it this thread devolved to cowboys vs. indians so that liberals wouldn't have to discuss Mandela's indiscretions and/or atrocities? TYPICAL.
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty..."
All most Americans of a certain age is interested in is sex, intoxication, work, computing and video games.
Despotism and duties?
They can't compute that.
What they seem to believe is that the Government is like Amazon or Lands End or Ebay. A large benign entity which does 'business' with them, at their choosing.
And for people to have that view of the Government shows us that the Government, believe it or not, is on it's best behavior and is showing its best side.
Only after we grant them just enough power to be our Masters (as Obamacare's eventual single payer mandate will evince) will the Government stop putting on any facade.
They want to control us. And if Obamacare is ever forced upon the entire population the Government will be, effectively, in control of our health care.
Which means the Government will have control over every single one of us.
And Obama would have, single handedly, overthrown this government without firing a shot.
News flash.
The government has had control over you pretty much since the inception of this country. Thats what governments do. The US is exceptionally good at it because.....just read the second line of my signature.
As expected, President Carter will be going to SA to honor Mandela, so that makes four of the five living presidents paying tribute to the man.
Mandela trip dominates Obama's schedule
GHW Bush will not be, due to ill health, though if he could, I'm sure he would be there.
Other notables going: Prime Minister David Cameron, Prince Charles, Desmond Tutu, and a ton of other foreign dignitaries.
There will be 10 days of national mourning, with the first major event being the Memorial service, December 10.
That will be at the Johannesburg soccer stadium which holds close to 100,000 people.
Some are saying Mandela will get the greatest burial in history!
So you think it right to murder white farmers. Is it your opinion that all 'whites' in South Africa should be killed or only those who till the land?
Its not murder. They are taking back their land. What do you whites call it when you kill people that stole your land? Patriots or something like that right?
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
Its not murder. They are taking back their land. What do you whites call it when you kill people that stole your land? Patriots or something like that right?
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
I think if you or your ancestors stole someones land, they ask you to move off of it and you don't they have a right to use whatever means necessary to remove you. What are you missing about its not your land therefore you have no right to forcibly take it and be outraged when someone kills trying to recover it?
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ever been to Africa?
Usually the countries that haven't been stolen by whites are total shitholes.
Right.
Because hundreds of years of Europeans stealing their resources had absolutely no effect on their economies.
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ever been to Africa?
Usually the countries that haven't been stolen by whites are total shitholes.
Right.
Because hundreds of years of Europeans stealing their resources had absolutely no effect on their economies.
They didn't just steal their resources. The oppressed and subjugated the people for centuries. They decimated their cultures, destroyed their tribal boundaries, wiped out their sense of self and their dignity, took away their religion and their identity, killed millions of them, and more. For about 300 years on average. We will never, ever know what Africa could have or would have become had they been left alone to evolve on their own.
That's easy.
How about all the voter repression laws passed in republican controlled states to keep black people from voting?
Yet I doubt you can link a single "repressive law" that stopped blacks from voting since the mid-60s. On the other hand I can give you thousands of links proving democraps not only registered dead folks, cartoon characters, and multiple identities for urban blacks to vote illegally. Then there's the "bad timing" of US Military overseas votes (strong GOP) arriving too late to be counted thanks to democRAT tricks. But like ol Saul says, accuse your enemies of what you're doing.
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
I think if you or your ancestors stole someones land, they ask you to move off of it and you don't they have a right to use whatever means necessary to remove you. What are you missing about its not your land therefore you have no right to forcibly take it and be outraged when someone kills trying to recover it?
So murder rather than legal or political measures are acceptable to you?
Good to know.....
Right.
Because hundreds of years of Europeans stealing their resources had absolutely no effect on their economies.
They didn't just steal their resources. The oppressed and subjugated the people for centuries. They decimated their cultures, destroyed their tribal boundaries, wiped out their sense of self and their dignity, took away their religion and their identity, killed millions of them, and more. For about 300 years on average. We will never, ever know what Africa could have or would have become had they been left alone to evolve on their own.
Pure communist propaganda.
Most of the damage that has taken place in Africa is because of feuds between tribes and the spread of Islam along with a great deal of ethnic and religious cleansing. Poverty, disease, warlords running amok. Deforestation. Famine. Lack of employment. That is what isdestroying Africa.
What I heard was Winnie did most of it......
But what do I know.
Who do you think was directing Winnie?
They divorced once he was freed - and while he declined to publicly criticize his wife, that was the reason why.
Who do you think was directing Winnie?
They divorced once he was freed - and while he declined to publicly criticize his wife, that was the reason why.
The reason why they divorced after Mandela was freed was because Winnie had become a serious slut screwing anything with a dick that moved. The only man she was unwilling to spread her legs for was Nelson Mandela.
South African Judge Gives Nelson Mandela a Divorce - NYTimes.com
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
Was it murder when we did it to them? Or was it simply genocide? Is there a difference in the distinction?
British settlers murdered Indians. As did post-revolution Americans. That was THEN. Do native Americans have the right to kill 'white' Americans NOW?
Would someone like to answer this question? I think it has a bearing on how the killing of farmers in S Africa should be viewed.
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
Was it murder when we did it to them? Or was it simply genocide? Is there a difference in the distinction?
British settlers murdered Indians. As did post-revolution Americans. That was THEN. Do native Americans have the right to kill 'white' Americans NOW?
Would someone like to answer this question? I think it has a bearing on how the killing of farmers in S Africa should be viewed.
Was it murder when we did it to them? Or was it simply genocide? Is there a difference in the distinction?
British settlers murdered Indians. As did post-revolution Americans. That was THEN. Do native Americans have the right to kill 'white' Americans NOW?
Would someone like to answer this question? I think it has a bearing on how the killing of farmers in S Africa should be viewed.
There appears to be a consistent theme that runs through a lot of concepts that some white people come up with in terms of what is right and what is fair. For one they believe they set the rules of the game and whine when people don't follow those rules as set forth by their purifying righteousness. No one cares what you think about how much time can elapse. Even so, the case you pointed out with the Native Americans has nothing to do with South Africa in terms of time elapsed.
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I would owe you rep (all out at the moment) if I could send it.
American exceptionalism: Advocating freedom and democracy (*in name only*) all over the world while tolerating none of that shit at home. I'm not sure where that is ripped off from - my apologies.
Its not murder. They are taking back their land. What do you whites call it when you kill people that stole your land? Patriots or something like that right?
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
I think if you or your ancestors stole someones land, they ask you to move off of it and you don't they have a right to use whatever means necessary to remove you. What are you missing about its not your land therefore you have no right to forcibly take it and be outraged when someone kills trying to recover it?
See my message above addressed to Esmeralda. Do you also think native Americans have the right to kill non-native American farmers, and their families, at will? And that such actions would not be murder?
I think if you or your ancestors stole someones land, they ask you to move off of it and you don't they have a right to use whatever means necessary to remove you. What are you missing about its not your land therefore you have no right to forcibly take it and be outraged when someone kills trying to recover it?
I think this means that you approve of native Americans killing farmers and also black South Africans murdering farmers at will. I do not.
