The Two-Party System Is Effing Up U.S. Democracy

The coup d'état that has been gradually carried out by the duopoly calls into doubt that we have two genuine parties. The reality is a single party with all the power and two wings of that party that make a show of opposing one another for mutual gain.
 
The coup d'état that has been gradually carried out by the duopoly calls into doubt that we have two genuine parties. The reality is a single party with all the power and two wings of that party that make a show of opposing one another for mutual gain.
Spot on.
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.

I've been saying that for years.

We need a third party based on rationality and pragmatism
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.

The US is a Republic that is not very democratic... Truth is the US type of democratic elections is outdated by now... Not surprising as US is one of the first countries to have a modern day democracy.

UK has a similar problem and thus is having a bit of a nightmare by voting for party they least like who have a chance of winning...

But the rest of the world is generally using various forms of multi-seat preference voting or Proportional Representation Single Transfer Voting...

This naturally creates multiple parties which reflect the more diverse views of a voting population.

The Founding Fathers knew this and expected US to have a living constitution that could be changed to reflect modern day views... The US Constitution is international terms is considered to be dead rather than living... You see it here everyone arguing what is in or not in the constitution, in other countries they say whats in it and do we need to change it... The constitution changes with the people, usually by a vote of the people...

But you can see it here, some people are so brainwashed into tribal thinking they immediate reaction is to blame the other side....

This will probably not change because of triablism and turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
 
There should be no parties at all.

You can't have 2 parties making decision for a country of millions when both parties are diametrically opposed to eachother. They care more about being right and being in control than they do about the country or it's people. The government is supposed to have the people as a whole (not groups or individuals) and the country as a whole as their best interest. They are supposed to support everything as a whole and not just their people or groups they want.

Congress should also be made up of people who are leaders from across the country. Head physicians, school super intendant's, fire chiefs, police chiefs, hospital director's, etc. People from around the country who actually know what's going on with the people.

And they should all be sworn to never let personal agendas, personal feelings, religions, or outside influence to effect their decisions.

Sorry, every country has parties...

Independents are nice to offer balance in a democracy but are god damn useless in form an actual government... Too many vested interests...

Please look what works in other countries... Just looking at other countries you can see a lot of US issues have actually been solved.

Here is an Irish Presidential Election - 2011 Irish presidential election - Wikipedia


7 Candidates and three came from parties. Irish President is a figure head role rather than a executive one like in US. He/She is more Queen in UK powerwise...

The Voters went into the poll and voted (by hand) 1,2,3... in their order of preference

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Results

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There was 1,771,762 votes that means if you get 885,882 votes (half the votes) you win.. This is called the quota..
As you can see Micheal D tops the poll (i.e. ahead on the first count) but failed to make the quota.

Then starting with Mary Davis (the lowest) and Dana Rosemary Scallion (it could be one but in this case for expediency two selected) are eliminated and their votes next preference (of a still running candidate) are given to them... The results are refected in Count2.
Then David Norris is eliminated and that is Count 3.
Count 4 is two again because expediency (the two candidates together couldn't catch Martin McGuinneas)...

Micheal D rocks home on the final count, easy enough in the end of the day...
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But the big thing is that there was plenty of choice... There is candidates there which represent Main Stream politics (Gay Mitchell), Arts and Culture (Micheal D), Business (Sean Gallagher), United Ireland (Martin McGuinneas), LBGTQ (Dave Norris), Religion (Dana Rosemary), Charities (Mary Davis)...

BTW, Micheal D is a very popular President and ran the next time and was voted in on the first count...
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.

Libs only need One Party, The DemNazi Party!

Long live EmperorShitzHizPantz!

Heil Shitler!
 
Yep. Change the system under which these thugs & liars operate. That would normally be the obvious route.

Unfortunately, the country appears to be too interested in who the Kardashian Girls™ are banging to bother.
I know very little about ranked voting and I will have to study it for myself

but knowing that you and XponentialChaos support it raises big red flags for me
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.

Complaining about a two party system and attacking only one side of it ? Every person who refers to the United States as a democracy should immediately be ignored for ignorance.
 
Complaining about a two party system and attacking only one side of it ? Every person who refers to the United States as a democracy should immediately be ignored for ignorance.
I know very little about ranked voting and I will have to study it for myself

but knowing that you and XponentialChaos support it raises big red flags for me

This is the problem... Generally Politicians don't want to change a system that favours them...

If multi seat ranked voting system cam in I say US would have Parties like:

Libertarian
Popularism (Trump)
Republican (Conservatives)
Moderate Right (Bush, Romney...)
Democrats (Moderate Left - Biden)
Progressive Democrats (Berine)


There might also be
Greens
Christian Party
Nationalists/Anti Immigration

There would be plenty of choice...
 
This is the problem... Generally Politicians don't want to change a system that favours them...

If multi seat ranked voting system cam in I say US would have Parties like:

Libertarian
Popularism (Trump)
Republican (Conservatives)
Moderate Right (Bush, Romney...)
Democrats (Moderate Left - Biden)
Progressive Democrats (Berine)


There might also be
Greens
Christian Party
Nationalists/Anti Immigration

There would be plenty of choice...
Republicans are not Conservatives. The best way to fix the problem is a Constitutional amendment for term limits.
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.


Do you agree the first bullet should read elections have become appointments, and the parties, especially the Democrats would sell their mothers out to "win", as demonstrated by the left's destroying communities under the disguise of racism, and entire countries under the disguise of covid?
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.


What makes it even worse, are the party loyalist who are scared to vote for anyone other than their party. Even when they don't support their parties nominee.
 
Republicans are not Conservatives. The best way to fix the problem is a Constitutional amendment for term limits.

True enough. But it takes those career R & D's to get the ball rolling. How do we get them to vote against their own best interest?
 
Yep. Change the system under which these thugs & liars operate. That would normally be the obvious route.

Unfortunately, the country appears to be too interested in who the Kardashian Girls™ are banging to bother.
That's how EmperorShitzHizPantz was Selected as Head Poopy Pants.

He cheated his way in to a Fraudulent Oval Office Chair.
 
A well cited argument assessing the state of democracy in the US and the contributing factors which put it at risk from a declining two-party system.

In order for democracy to work, competing parties must accept that they can lose elections, and that it’s okay. But when partisans see their political opposition not just as the opposition, but as a genuine threat to the well-being of the nation, support for democratic norms fadesbecause “winning” becomes everything. Politics, in turn, collapses into an all-out war of “us against them,” a kind of “pernicious polarization” that appears over and over again in democratic collapses, and bears a striking similarity to what’s currently happening in the U.S.

What’s happening in the U.S. is distinct in four respects.
  • First, the animosity that people feel toward opposing parties relative to their own (what’s known as affective polarization in political science) has grown considerably over the last four decades.
  • Second, the change in how Americans feel about their party and other parties has been driven by a dramatic decrease in positive feelings toward the opposing party.
  • Third, more so than in other countries, Americans report feeling isolated from their own party.
  • Fourth, and perhaps most significant, in the U.S., one party has become a major illiberal outlier: The Republican Party.

It isn't the two party system screwing up the country it's one side who holds a lot of power being hell bent on forcing a neo socialist totalitarians state on us and their willing accomplices in the media including social media.
 
This is the problem... Generally Politicians don't want to change a system that favours them...

If multi seat ranked voting system cam in I say US would have Parties like:

Libertarian
Popularism (Trump)
Republican (Conservatives)
Moderate Right (Bush, Romney...)
Democrats (Moderate Left - Biden)
Progressive Democrats (Berine)


There might also be
Greens
Christian Party
Nationalists/Anti Immigration

There would be plenty of choice...
In plain language thats known as a clusterfuck
 

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