The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[AllieBaba]

I have no idea what the hell he's talking about, meself.

 

[The T]

I have no idea what the hell he's talking about, meself.

I know his intent. I want him to be honest about it.

 

[rightwinger]

The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. ...
The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity - Cached - Similar

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. .... Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural .... He led the men who turned America from an English colony into a self-governing nation. ...
Thomas Jefferson - John Adams - Benjamin Franklin - Thomas Painefreethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html - Cached - Similar

Nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution does it mention Jesus Christ, the basis of Christianity. The founding fathers recognized a generic "God" but went to great lengths to avoid endorsing any one religion

 

[Jack Fate]

The principles were used as a model.

Looking at the "thou shalt not" parts of the 10 Commandments, I see nothing in there which isn't an act of aggression against one's neighbor.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your last sentence.

The duty of lawful de jure government is to provide a framework to protect its citizens against aggression, both from within and without.

Problem being right now is that since the onset of the progressive era, gubmint itself has become the greatest aggressor.

I agree. Government is also becoming the oppressor.

 

[Jack Fate]

The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. ...
The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity - Cached - Similar

Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. .... Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural .... He led the men who turned America from an English colony into a self-governing nation. ...
Thomas Jefferson - John Adams - Benjamin Franklin - Thomas Painefreethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html - Cached - Similar

No where in the Declaration of Independence or Constitution does it mention Jesus Christ, the basis of Christianity. The founding fathers recognized a generic "God" but went to great lengths to avoid endorsing any one religion

The founding fathers also recognized a God who created us.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The ten commandments have very little to do with the principles of freedom.

But the founding fathers all agreed freedom is a Christian tenet, and that freedom emanates from God.

Where did the founders state 'freedom' is a Christian tenet? And when did Christianity repeal the ten commandments?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Revolution was fought to free us from a Christian nation that did NOT separate Church and State.

 

[Jack Fate]

The Revolution was fought to free us from a Christian nation that did NOT separate Church and State.

Ah yes, and that is the real question. Traditional Americans and "Progressives" disagree on what exactly is meant by "separation of church and state". This is where the argument lies. "Progressives" are continually seeking methods to make Christianity invisible.

 

[rightwinger]

The Revolution was fought to free us from a Christian nation that did NOT separate Church and State.

Ah yes, and that is the real question. Traditional Americans and "Progressives" disagree on what exactly is meant by "separation of church and state". This is where the argument lies. "Progressives" are continually seeking methods to make Christianity invisible.

How does one make a religion invisible? Is it a governments job to make religions visible?

Shouldn't they do that on their own?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I agree that America was not founded on Christianity. BUT, it was founded upon Christian/Judeo biblical principles.

You have to really focus on what the Christian haters say and how they say it. They are always thinking of ways to undermine the truth about the USA when it comes to Christianity. Christianity is the enemy.

The principles were used as a model.

Looking at the "thou shalt not" parts of the 10 Commandments, I see nothing in there which isn't an act of aggression against one's neighbor.

Yeah, if you don't count the first 4 or 5.

 

[davecrowson]

Honest about what, that I care more about the true intent of our founders than I do about the dogma used to polarize us as a nation? Is that what you mean?

 

[Jack Fate]

The Revolution was fought to free us from a Christian nation that did NOT separate Church and State.

Ah yes, and that is the real question. Traditional Americans and "Progressives" disagree on what exactly is meant by "separation of church and state". This is where the argument lies. "Progressives" are continually seeking methods to make Christianity invisible.

How does one make a religion invisible? Is it a governments job to make religions visible?

Shouldn't they do that on their own?

No, it is not government's job to make a religion visible. Freedom of religion will accomplish that. In the US Constitution, government is to have no role in religious expression.

 

[Greenbeard]

But the founding fathers all agreed freedom is a Christian tenet, and that freedom emanates from God.

What's ironic is that many American slaves turned to evangelical Christianity for sustenance in the 19th century.

So what's your point?

That freedom, in any world existing outside of the head of Hobbes, isn't handed down by gods, it exists in the context of the society at hand and the elites at the helm of that society. By modern standards, the Founders had a very narrow conception of freedom, in that it allowed slavery (which one might normally think to be the antithesis of freedom) and institutionalized misogyny. They were (brilliant) products of their time and society, not messengers from the gods.

 

[Jack Fate]

What's ironic is that many American slaves turned to evangelical Christianity for sustenance in the 19th century.

So what's your point?

That freedom, in any world existing outside of the head of Hobbes, isn't handed down by gods, it exists in the context of the society at hand and the elites at the helm of that society. By modern standards, the Founders had a very narrow conception of freedom, in that it allowed slavery (which one might normally think to be the antithesis of freedom) and institutionalized misogyny. They were (brilliant) products of their time and society, not messengers from the gods.

The founders did not address slavery because that was not the agenda. Forging a nation was the agenda. They were founding a nation of free men and thereby sowing the seeds that eventually ended the national nightmare of slavery.

 

[Alpha1]

AllieBaba (and others) pwn's the LilOldLady (and others) aka "pinheads"....

good job....

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Amazing how the pinheads can accept the "new re-written" history just like the lemmings they are....over 2 hundred years of history just ignored because they value pinhead partisanship over the truth.....sad but true.

 

[rightwinger]

So what's your point?

That freedom, in any world existing outside of the head of Hobbes, isn't handed down by gods, it exists in the context of the society at hand and the elites at the helm of that society. By modern standards, the Founders had a very narrow conception of freedom, in that it allowed slavery (which one might normally think to be the antithesis of freedom) and institutionalized misogyny. They were (brilliant) products of their time and society, not messengers from the gods.

The founders did not address slavery because that was not the agenda. Forging a nation was the agenda. They were founding a nation of free men and thereby sowing the seeds that eventually ended the national nightmare of slavery.

Like any other politicians, they compromised in order to found a nation comprised of states with different values regarding slavery.
They could not have founded a single nation if they insisted slavery not be allowed
That had to be settled 85 years later

 

[NYcarbineer]

So what's your point?

That freedom, in any world existing outside of the head of Hobbes, isn't handed down by gods, it exists in the context of the society at hand and the elites at the helm of that society. By modern standards, the Founders had a very narrow conception of freedom, in that it allowed slavery (which one might normally think to be the antithesis of freedom) and institutionalized misogyny. They were (brilliant) products of their time and society, not messengers from the gods.

The founders did not address slavery because that was not the agenda. Forging a nation was the agenda. They were founding a nation of free men and thereby sowing the seeds that eventually ended the national nightmare of slavery.

They absolutely addressed the issue of slavery, and decided that it was tolerable. In fact it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that slavery was tolerable within the context of the original Constitution.

 

[Patriot214]

Engraved on the top of the Washington Monument is the phrase "Laus Deo." It was purposely placed in this position to face the heavens. The translation is "Praise be to God."

 

[hortysir]

Engraved on the top of the Washington Monument is the phrase "Laus Deo." It was purposely placed in this position to face the heavens. The translation is "Praise be to God."

, but not "Christ"

 

[The T]

Engraved on the top of the Washington Monument is the phrase "Laus Deo." It was purposely placed in this position to face the heavens. The translation is "Praise be to God."

, but not "Christ"

But whom was Christ but the Father incarnate on the Earth?