The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[traveler52]

The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity
Many Christian's who think of America as founded upon Christianity usually present the Declaration of Independence as "proof" of a Christian America. ...
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Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. .... Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural .... He led the men who turned America from an English colony into a self-governing nation. ...
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Religion is mentioned only twice in our Constitution.

Article VI.
Clause III.

..."But no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or pubic Trust under the United States."

First Amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of Religion, or the Free Expression thereof....

There is no State Sponsored or State Supported or State Mandated Religion. Nor can a person be denied a job with the Government based on His/Her Religion or the lack thereof. No Elected Public Official at the Federal, State, or Local Level can be required to be of a certain Religion. No person can demand that another person in Government be of a certain religion, nor can a person of a certain religion be denied the right to run for public office based upon their religion or the lack there.

America is not, and has never been "A Christian Nation." such claims are false and misleading. The individual right to worship is a Constitutionally Protected Right. But at no time does our Constitution give any one religion preminent status over another.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.

Founding Fathers Quotes - Christian Quotes of the Founding Fathers

Are you citing that quote of Franklin as evidence we're a Christian nation?

The parts, specifically where he says he has 'doubts as to his divinity', but that there's 'no harm' in that being believed...

...tell me, maybe I'll learn something...how many Christian denominations doubt the divinity of Christ, but merely think he was a smart guy with some good ideas?

 

[dilloduck]

Our founding fathers were men of faith. Nuff said

 

[rightwinger]

Engraved on the top of the Washington Monument is the phrase "Laus Deo." It was purposely placed in this position to face the heavens. The translation is "Praise be to God."

, but not "Christ"

But whom was Christ but the Father incarnate on the Earth?

According to Christians

 

[rightwinger]

Our founding fathers were men of faith. Nuff said

They were less Christian than most of our political leaders today

 

[dilloduck]

Our founding fathers were men of faith. Nuff said

They were less Christian than most of our political leaders today

please---what a ridiculous claim.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

More old & stale Socialist/Progressive B.S. All of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians. This is fact. Loony Socialists/Progressives may not like this but it is still fact. Get over it. Geesh!

 

[blu]

More old & stale Socialist/Progressive B.S. All of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians. This is fact. Loony Socialists/Progressives may not like this but it is still fact. Get over it. Geesh!

 

[The T]

, but not "Christ"

But whom was Christ but the Father incarnate on the Earth?

According to Christians

No, according to Christ.

 

[dilloduck]

More old & stale Socialist/Progressive B.S. All of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians. This is fact. Loony Socialists/Progressives may not like this but it is still fact. Get over it. Geesh!

oh hell--don't get all snooty about it----how about most of em ?

 

[blu]

I don't understand why religious beliefs of the founders is such a big deal. non-christians who try to prove they weren't christians are just insecure in their own beliefs or have some grudge aagainst christians while christians who try to prove they were are similarly insecure in their own beliefs (why do they need other's beliefs to validate theirs?) and have an ego/self confidence issue as they try to put down non-believers

 

[blu]

More old & stale Socialist/Progressive B.S. All of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians. This is fact. Loony Socialists/Progressives may not like this but it is still fact. Get over it. Geesh!

oh hell--don't get all snooty about it----how about most of em ?

<- not a fan of absolutes, especially when they are easily disprovable

 

[blu]

But whom was Christ but the Father incarnate on the Earth?

According to Christians

No, according to Christ.

No, according to Jesus.

 

[dilloduck]

I don't understand why religious beliefs of the founders is such a big deal. non-christians who try to prove they weren't christians are just insecure in their own beliefs or have some grudge aagainst christians while christians who try to prove they were are similarly insecure in their own beliefs (why do they need other's beliefs to validate theirs?) and have an ego/self confidence issue as they try to put down non-believers

facts----look at the facts.

Were our founding fathers religious people or not ? Simple enough

 

[dilloduck]

oh hell--don't get all snooty about it----how about most of em ?

<- not a fan of absolutes, especially when they are easily disprovable

Oh you pedants !

 

[LibocalypseNow]

More old & stale Socialist/Progressive B.S. All of our Founding Fathers were practicing Christians. This is fact. Loony Socialists/Progressives may not like this but it is still fact. Get over it. Geesh!

oh hell--don't get all snooty about it----how about most of em ?

All of em. Fact. You loony Socialists/Progressives just need to get over it. Move on for God's sake.

 

[blu]

I don't understand why religious beliefs of the founders is such a big deal. non-christians who try to prove they weren't christians are just insecure in their own beliefs or have some grudge aagainst christians while christians who try to prove they were are similarly insecure in their own beliefs (why do they need other's beliefs to validate theirs?) and have an ego/self confidence issue as they try to put down non-believers

facts----look at the facts.

Were our founding fathers religious people or not ? Simple enough

yes but they certainly weren't cookie cutter christians. they were extremely questioning and of course the famous example of one who rewrote the entire new testament to fit his belief system. I seriously doubt any of them would fit in with any mass sect of today

 

[blu]

the topic is very interesting though. I worked with a project manger who went to theologian school and studied the founding fathers beliefs as parts of his masters/thesis/grad work (not sure exactly what the school called it), and he had some really interesting insights into it.

 

[dilloduck]

They certainly weren't atheists and I would prefer the truth be known about the history of our country.

 

[blu]

oh hell--don't get all snooty about it----how about most of em ?

All of em. Fact. You loony Socialists/Progressives just need to get over it. Move on for God's sake.

you are still wrong no matter how many stupid labels you throw at me