The Unprecedented Law Giving Gun Makers And Dealers Immunity

[Gadawg73]

Are people who kill themselves less dead than people who are killed by others. Because, frankly, my neighbor who shot himself, he looked pretty dead to me at his funeral. (Although the undertaker did a nice job patching up the hole...)

The reason it should not be included is that when usually stated, it is made to imply someone being accidentally shot, the classic "I shot my son by the fridge because i thought he was a burglar" story. The people who often use this study use it to make it appear you are going to shoot your cousin ed well before you shoot an intruder. Using suicides to bolster the ratio is intellectually dishonest if you intend to use the numbers this way.

Basically, the study billed itself as proof that "Guns in the home INCREASE danger". But it's been proven conclusively that the presence of a gun does not increase the danger from suicide whatsoever, and they are actually MORE likely in places where there are no legally-owned guns. Therefore, since suicides have no relation to the point the study is allegedly "proving", they have no business being included in the study.

Sure they can increase danger. And a lot.
But that has nothing to do with responsible gun owners.
I advise all my clients to NOT keep your weapon loaded unless it is under lock.
Safety is a responsibility of the owner, not the government to mandate.

 

[Cecilie1200]

SO Marty, I asked this before, How many crimes have you had committed against either you or your friends/family? A lot, a few, none?

And even though I used to live just north of the Bronx, things must have changed in NYC. I say that because when I lived there, most criminals committed their crimes against other criminals.

Is it not that way anymore? And how come the Mayor of NYC is such a big supporter of gun restrictions.

How many home invasions have the locks on your door stopped? A lot, few, none? Do you still lock your doors every night?

You're probably too stupid to get the point, but everyone else did.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No the point isn't moot marty. You just don't want to address it because you have never been robbed or had your house broken into, Yet, you insist that people be able to have weapons of war with no restrictions. With no need. Weird. Has the US governmnet done something to the people that I missed that would require armed rebellion?

Did you ever think the reason the COTUS addressed the guns issue was because at the time the COTUS was written, we didn't have a standing army, let alone eonugh weapons to arm thousands of militia members who might be called to serve. And they needed to bring their weapons with them. You ever think of the 2nd that way?

I'm sure you haven't.

But you know what, I have been in jail with people who were in jail for months and were never arraigned. I have had my house searched with a warrant. And without. I have had my vehicle searched without a warrant. What was your point? I didn't want those things to happen, but I broke the law and that is what happened.

But I have a ton of stupid gun stories. My BIL flashing his gun in his shoulder holster while in an argumnet with tenants. They saw his pistol, went back in the house and brought out their MAC 10 to show him. He got in his truck, quickly, and left. I got lots more. My dad was a combat vet that was an alcoholic and always had a gun and gun troubles. CCW arrests, gun fights in downtown. Suicide attempts.

It's all good with guns, right marty. Nothing bad ever comes from gun ownership. Right. No need to control guns or the people who get them. BTW, my Dad, RIP should have never been able to get a gun. But he always had one.

Was the kids killed in Conn the blood that all the gun nuts say that the tree of liberty needs to be awash in? Is that what you think? Just the price to be paid for the gun nuts to entertain their fantasy about resisting the hated Federal Government.

The point IS moot, fucktard, because AFTER a crime has been committed against you is a fairly stupid, useless time to protect yourself against it.

But if you really need to hear from someone who's been the victim of a violent crime, fine. I have been, and I think you should take your "reasonable" gun grabbing and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Now let's move on to your NEXT talking point about why I and people like me still shouldn't be allowed to own guns, if you've even bothered to formulate one.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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That's because it's not a fact dumbass. Kellerman's study, which this is taken from, has been debunked and discredited years ago. Try looking at Lott's study, University of Chicago, to get REAL look at this number and the rest of the nonsense this moron spoon feeds leftist morons like you who never care what they take in and regurgitate as "fact". Of the 45x's number you have here, 86% are suicides, and with or without a gun, a person intent on killing themselves will do so using pills, poison or whatever else they can. This "study" also never takes into account the millions of times a firearm is used in the home to PREVENT a crime or a potential killing when the armed homeowmer does not kill the bad guy but wounds him, holds him at gun point until the police arrive or chases the bad guy away before anyone is killed or robbed. See we usually don't talk about this "fact", because we don't see any reason to argue with a moron stupid enough to call this nonsense a "fact" without first looking to see if it's factual or truthful. We, inteligent firearms owners, know the waste of time it is to argue with people dumb enough to believe whatever some other moron tells them is a fact.

The CDC doesn't accept Lott's Study. It accepts Kellerman's study. Kellerman's study has been replicated in other cities and the same results were found. Bullcrap.
Lott has all the credibility of those "Scientists" who deny Global Warming or said that Cigarettes don't cause cancer. You just have to look at who was paying his freight. More bullcrap

A gun in the home is far more likely to kill a member of the family. Only if you count suicides and a person who is intent of killing themselves will do with our without a gun in the house, and this number also ignores the millions of times a gun is used to defend the home but nobody is killed, so this is irelevent to the discussion.

And frankly, having known more than a few parents who buried a loved one who killed himself with that gun they bought for home protection, you realize just how retarded the gun nuts arguments are...If a person is weak and/or mentally unstable, they will kill themselves using poison, hanging, drugs, a car exhaust, or some other means. And I also doubt you know more than few parents who buried loved ones who killed themselves with guns and if by some remote chance you do, that says a lot more about the type of morons you know, than it does about firearms.

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I don't doubt that he knows a lot of families where members were mentally unstable and committed suicide. After all, birds of a feather flock together.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The CDC doesn't accept Lott's Study. It accepts Kellerman's study. Kellerman's study has been replicated in other cities and the same results were found. Bullcrap.
Lott has all the credibility of those "Scientists" who deny Global Warming or said that Cigarettes don't cause cancer. You just have to look at who was paying his freight. More bullcrap

A gun in the home is far more likely to kill a member of the family. Only if you count suicides and a person who is intent of killing themselves will do with our without a gun in the house, and this number also ignores the millions of times a gun is used to defend the home but nobody is killed, so this is irelevent to the discussion. And frankly, having known more than a few parents who buried a loved one who killed himself with that gun they bought for home protection, you realize just how retarded the gun nuts arguments are...If a person is weak and/or mentally unstable, they will kill themselves using poison, hanging, drugs, a car exhaust, or some other means. And I also doubt you know more than few parents who buried loved ones who killed themselves with guns and if by some remote chance you do, that says a lot more about the type of morons you know, than it does about firearms.

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Hey hey, here is the dude that knows all about guns. You don't believe that? Ask him.


But jtpr, I have asked the gun nuts on here many many many times to point me in the direction where the info is supporting your claims that, I think I read, millions of crimes stopped by homeowners with their guns.

SO where is that information to be found? Or are you just making shit up becaue it sounds good?

How many crimes have you stopped?

I know around 30 people with guns. Long time gun owners. Not a one has stopped a crime
(including me) with the guns they own.

But you have? And you say there are millions of times this is happening.

Prove it. Should be easy. Million of times. Every year. (are you including drug deals and gangbangers?)

My question is, who's been hiding this from you, since this information is quite famous and widely-published? And if you didn't know the answer to your question, where the fuck do you get off wasting our time asking it in the first place?

By all means, go tell these folks that THEY don't know what they're talking about, either, because they DARE to disagree with the received wisdom of you.

Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms | National Institute of Justice

 

[martybegan]

Actually, we don't prosecute religious fraud... that's the problem. I'd love to apply the consumer fraud laws to churches... that would be awesome.

"Okay, you claimed your religion can get me into heaven, can you actually PROVE there is a Heaven?"

Seriously, the world would be better off if we got rid of religion. It's never done a good thing, not once.



No, my type is a big fan of, "I don't want crazy people running around with things that can kill me or kids".

Trying to parse Kellerman by disallowing suicides or murders committed during Lent or whatever other silly bullshit you want tothrow out there, the fact is, a gun in the home is more likely to kill someone in the home than an invader.

To prove fraud you would have to prove that 100% that there is NO heaven, not prove there may not be one. Good luck with that.

And basing a statement on a flawed study even without mentioning the number is still flawed. Again, 99.9999% of all guns sit in thier owners homes without so much as a peep.[/QUOTE]


Marty, where do you get the number 99.999%? Haven't you read what the gun nut jtpr says about gun owners. He says MILLIONS of crimes are stopped by homeowners with guns. MILLIONS Marty.

So, how could it be that 99.999% of guns are just sitting? When millions of times they are being used to stop crimes.

The numbers don't add up Marty.

If you are quibbling over how many 9's I put after 99%, you are missing the point, probably intentionally, because the math doesnt add up for YOUR position.

 

[earlycuyler]

Why shouldn't gun makers be held liable like other manufacturers?

If their products are defective they are. Ford is not held liable when people kill others with one of their cars, and beer companies are not held responsible for all the horrible acts committed by drunks.

 

[jtpr312]

The best argument for Gun Control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut. Seriously, you guys make the argument of why average folks shouldn't have guns better than I ever could.

I'm sorry, the Founders were a bunch of slave-raping assholes who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes... Showing this country was pretty much dysfunctional from the get-go. You're a piece of crap who seems to enjoy the freedom to run your mouth that those slave raping, no tax paying a-holes gave their lives, fortunes and liberty to get and hold for you.

Oh, bullshit. If Washington and his boys got put at the end of the King's Rope, we'd be Canadians today. If my Aunt was born with a penis she'd be my uncle. If you had been born with a brain you'd be a conservative. What's your point?

Hey, guess what, I've been to Canada. A bunch of times. They are just as free as we are. Except they don't let every asshole who wants a gun have one, they have universal health care, and they don't have a fraction of our crime. I could care less, I'm an American, not a canadian. You seem to love Canada and Japan so much, why the hell are you still here?

Oh, the scumbag will still be a scumbag. Or maybe just a poor person who wants to eat. But if he can't get a gun, he won't be that dangerous. Yes, you're soooo right. Nobody raped, robbed, murdered and pillaged until the invention of the gun. You're such a dumbass it's a wonder you can even feed yourself.

Again, I have to ask my self, why is it these European countries, Japan and Canada don't have as many murders, don't have as many prisons, don't have as much crime... Less negroes and hispanic gang bangers. I've told you this already. Remove the crimes and murders committed by these two groups of people and the USA would be one of the safest places on earth to live. I know you, being a brain dead, reality denying liberal refuse to acknowledge this, but the statistics speak for themselves.

Oh, yeah, they have a strong welfare state and strong gun control. And they are just as free as we are. Move there, I'll gladly help you with expenses.

Of course, being a stupid, gun toting redneck, you just chang "USA,USA" and pretend the world doesn't exist. I kind of suspect you don't even have a passport. Lol. Born and raised on the East Side of NYC slick, the furthest thing you can get from being a redneck, and not only do I have a passport, I would be willing to bet I've been to more nations on this earth than you've ever dreamed of.

Of course, most gun deaths are suicides and domestic arguments, where that gun bought to protect the family destroys it... Again, the Gun Industry sells fear, not freedom. No, you're wrong about the domestic violence argument, and as far as suicides go, so what? If you want to kill yourself you'll do it with or without a gun and the number of firearm related suicides is about the same as the number who do use a gun.

Again, most gun suicides are teens who have no appreciation of what they are doing. Guns make it too easy to kill themselves. Same with a lot of the murders. So what. suffication follows with almost the same number. Like I said, if you're intent on killing yourself, you'll find a way with or without a firearm. For youth between the ages of 10 and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4600 lives lost each year. The top three methods used in suicides of young people include firearm (45%), suffocation (40%), and poisoning (8%). http://http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pub/youth_suicide.html

Take out their money motive, you'll be AMAZED how fast they become good corporate citizens. Take out their brains and you'll be surprised how fast they become good little liberal democrat citizens.

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Well, Cleetus, if that's the case, why do the Dems dominate the cities and places with education, and the Repukes dominate the places that look like Deliverence was filmed there? You mean the cities where the gun related crimes are the highest? Not to mention the drug related violence, rapes, car jackings, assaults, etc, etc, etc, etc,yeah, look to the liberal controlled cities and their crime rates, and keep bragging about them son. [/QUOTE].

 

[jtpr312]

I know around 30 people with guns. Long time gun owners. Not a one has stopped a crime(including me) with the guns they own.

Shock Revelation: City of Aurora, Colorado Would Have Arrested Anyone Who Stopped the Batman Massacre With a Concealed Weapon

by Mike Adams
Natural News

Recently by Mike Adams: Why Did No One Fight Back? Questions Linger Over James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting

Two days ago I asked the commonsense question, "Why didn't anyone fight back against James Holmes, the shooter who shot so many people in the Batman movie theater?"

Now the answer has become clear: Because Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.
Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

In Aurora, Colorado, it is illegal to stop a massacre

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Do you have a reading comprehension issue?

The gun nut jtpr says MILLIONS OF CRIMES ARE STOPPED BY GUN OWNERS.

Where can that statistic be verified? Do you know?

Or are you just making comments? If that is the case. IF you were armed when the Aurora CO shooting was taking place, you would have simply stood by and let the shooter have at it. Because you were more afraid of the gun laws than you were of being shot. Or keeping others from being shot.

YOU definitley don't need to be carrying a gun. In any circumstance.

google can be your friend dumbass. Try using your search engine for more than looking for gay porn.

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[earlycuyler]

The best argument for Gun Control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut. Seriously, you guys make the argument of why average folks shouldn't have guns better than I ever could.

I'm sorry, the Founders were a bunch of slave-raping assholes who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes... Showing this country was pretty much dysfunctional from the get-go. You're a piece of crap who seems to enjoy the freedom to run your mouth that those slave raping, no tax paying a-holes gave their lives, fortunes and liberty to get and hold for you.

Oh, bullshit. If Washington and his boys got put at the end of the King's Rope, we'd be Canadians today.

Hey, guess what, I've been to Canada. A bunch of times. They are just as free as we are. Except they don't let every asshole who wants a gun have one, they have universal health care, and they don't have a fraction of our crime.

Oh, the scumbag will still be a scumbag. Or maybe just a poor person who wants to eat. But if he can't get a gun, he won't be that dangerous. Yes, you're soooo right. Nobody raped, robbed, murdered and pillaged until the invention of the gun. You're such a dumbass it's a wonder you can even feed yourself.

Again, I have to ask my self, why is it these European countries, Japan and Canada don't have as many murders, don't have as many prisons, don't have as much crime...

Oh, yeah, they have a strong welfare state and strong gun control. And they are just as free as we are.

Of course, being a stupid, gun toting redneck, you just chang "USA,USA" and pretend the world doesn't exist. I kind of suspect you don't even have a passport.

Of course, most gun deaths are suicides and domestic arguments, where that gun bought to protect the family destroys it... Again, the Gun Industry sells fear, not freedom. No, you're wrong about the domestic violence argument, and as far as suicides go, so what? If you want to kill yourself you'll do it with or without a gun and the number of firearm related suicides is about the same as the number who do use a gun.

Again, most gun suicides are teens who have no appreciation of what they are doing. Guns make it too easy to kill themselves. Same with a lot of the murders.

Take out their money motive, you'll be AMAZED how fast they become good corporate citizens. Take out their brains and you'll be surprised how fast they become good little liberal democrat citizens.

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[/QUOTE]Well, Cleetus, if that's the case, why do the Dems dominate the cities and places with education, and the Repukes dominate the places that look like Deliverence was filmed there?[/QUOTE]



Man, you are really slowing down. Riddle me this cammm, I mean Joe,

We have this here, It was pulled off in an environment with (by our standard) restrictive gun laws-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton (b. 10 May 1952), entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 2010 Cumbria shootings, it remains one of the deadliest criminal acts involving firearms in the history of the United Kingdom.

And thees after even more laws got passed-

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

I forgot this one-

Hungerford massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan (b. 18 May 1960), armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself.

Thats just the UK.

Well, Cleetus, if that's the case, why do the Dems dominate the cities and places with education, and the Repukes dominate the places that look like Deliverence was filmed there?

Like Detroit, Houston Chicago, which happens to have a pretty high murder rate, and crime rate in general, and I can put you in a few spots in Los Angles and even Denver, all run by democrat's and you would beg me not to make you walk a half block in any of them. See, shootings are not even an issue, its the fact that the guys doing it feel the need to do this.

 

[skookerasbil]

I know around 30 people with guns. Long time gun owners. Not a one has stopped a crime(including me) with the guns they own.

Shock Revelation: City of Aurora, Colorado Would Have Arrested Anyone Who Stopped the Batman Massacre With a Concealed Weapon

by Mike Adams
Natural News

Recently by Mike Adams: Why Did No One Fight Back? Questions Linger Over James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting

Two days ago I asked the commonsense question, "Why didn't anyone fight back against James Holmes, the shooter who shot so many people in the Batman movie theater?"

Now the answer has become clear: Because Aurora, Colorado already has strict gun control laws on the books that make it:

Illegal to carry a concealed weapon, even if you're a law-abiding citizen.
Illegal to discharge a firearm in public unless you are a peace officer.

Thus, any person who would have shot James Holmes and stopped the massacre would, themselves, have been arrested as a criminal!

In Aurora, Colorado, it is illegal to stop a massacre

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Do you have a reading comprehension issue?

The gun nut jtpr says MILLIONS OF CRIMES ARE STOPPED BY GUN OWNERS.

Where can that statistic be verified? Do you know?

Or are you just making comments? If that is the case. IF you were armed when the Aurora CO shooting was taking place, you would have simply stood by and let the shooter have at it. Because you were more afraid of the gun laws than you were of being shot. Or keeping others from being shot.

YOU definitley don't need to be carrying a gun. In any circumstance.

Holy shit.........well, of course.............when you live an a place like Scratchmyassville USA, you dont need a gun. But for most members on here.......they live not too far from towns where crack monkeys need to find a victim to supply their habit. In some of these communities, you look at them funny and you hve a knife pulled on you, but quick. Let the fairies living in Bumfook continue to live in their bubble.........I have no problem with that. But dont tell others how to live within the laws!!! 150 million Americans, at least, say "fuck you!!" to that. Move to England........happy now..........


How the fuck do some people grow up terrified of everything in their landscape? The legions of fairies in this country, is growing.

 

[skookerasbil]

Bubble thinking is gay............

The UK Gun Ban - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

 

[skookerasbil]

An 18 year old Finnish high school student walked into Jokela high school on Wednesday with a gun and didn't come back out. The teen, Pekka Eric Auvinen, had published a series of youtube videos involving guns and various manifesto rants under the screen name Sturmgeist89, but no one could have known such a seemingly stable and happy person could have killed 8 people- including the school's mistress- before finally pulling the gun on himself.
The recent tragedy at Jokela high school has Finland wondering if they need to adopt gun control laws for the very first time. Gun ownership in Finland is among the highest in the world, but violent crimes with firearms are very rare. Compare that to the U.S. which has just as many guns per household, but a much higher firearm murder rate. This raises the question: What determines firearm murder rates?




School Shooting in Finland Raises Questions Over Gun Control - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

 

[Wicked Jester]

They want to take my guns away, well that will be just fine....Take 'em from the cops and criminals first and i'll gladly give you mine.

 

[Charles_Main]

By Sergio Munoz

As major media outlets report on gun violence prevention strategies in the wake of the Newtown tragedy, they have ignored a controversial law that shields the firearms industry from being held accountable.

In 2005, former President George W. Bush signed into law the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - the "No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association" - which immunized gun makers and dealers from civil lawsuits for the crimes committed with the products they sell, a significant barrier to a comprehensive gun violence prevention strategy. Despite its recent reporting on proposed efforts to prevent another tragedy like the one in Newtown, major newspapers and evening television news have not explained this significant legal immunity, according to a Media Matters search of Nexis.

Faced with an increasing number of successful lawsuits over reckless business practices that funneled guns into the hands of criminals, the 2005 immunity law was a victory for the NRA, which "lobbied lawmakers intensely" to shield gun makers and dealers from personal injury law. As described by Erwin Chemerinsky, a leading constitutional scholar and the Dean of the University of California-Irvine School of Law, by eliminating this route for victims to hold the gun industry accountable in court, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act was a complete deviation from basic "principles of products liability":

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is also commonly referred to as the "Gun Protection Act." The law dismissed all current claims against gun manufacturers in both federal and state courts and pre-empted future claims. The law could not be clearer in stating its purpose: "To prohibit causes of action against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms or ammunition products, and their trade associations, for the harm caused solely by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearm products or ammunition products by others when the product functioned as designed and intended." There are some narrow exceptions for which liability is allowed, such as actions against transferors of firearms who knew the firearm would be used in drug trafficking or a violent crime by a party directly harmed by that conduct.

It is outrageous that a product that exists for no purpose other than to kill has an exemption from state tort liability. Allowing tort liability would force gun manufacturers to pay some of the costs imposed by their products, increase the prices for assault weapons and maybe even cause some manufacturers to stop making them.​

More: Why Isn't The Media Discussing The Unprecedented Law Giving Gun Makers And Dealers Immunity? | Blog | Media Matters for America

It's not unprecedented, Similar immunity has been given in the past to for example Vaccine makers, Drug Companies. Etc.

 

[earlycuyler]

They want to take my guns away, well that will be just fine....Take 'em from the cops and criminals first and i'll gladly give you mine.

Not me. Ill tell you now, I dont need 30 rounds. When we grew up we got 3 rounds when hunting unless it was upland birds. Then the plugs came out where legal and we did our thing. Laws need to protect gun companies from our overly Litigious society. But back to unarmed cops, In the UK they had three mass shootings in 12 to 14 years, laws got tougher, crime went higher, and mass shootings kept happening in a country where private ownership of guns is almost impossible. And Joe mentioned Japan. Guns are not illegal there. They own and hunt with large-bore air rifles, but still, they have a historey of attempted mass killings.

Poison gas anyone ?

The Sarin attack on the Tokyo subway, usually referred to in the Japanese media as the Subway Sarin Incident (地下鉄サリン事件 Chikatetsu Sarin Jiken?), was an act of domestic terrorism perpetrated by members of Aum Shinrikyo on March 20, 1995.

How about mass killings in China ?

School attacks in China (2010

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 25 dead and some 115 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

Their is a ton more going on here then 30 round magazines, violent video games and movies. The problem will continue to be ignored until it happens five more times.

 

[JoeB131]

The best argument for Gun Control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut. Seriously, you guys make the argument of why average folks shouldn't have guns better than I ever could.

I'm sorry, the Founders were a bunch of slave-raping assholes who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes... Showing this country was pretty much dysfunctional from the get-go. You're a piece of crap who seems to enjoy the freedom to run your mouth that those slave raping, no tax paying a-holes gave their lives, fortunes and liberty to get and hold for you.

Oh, bullshit. If Washington and his boys got put at the end of the King's Rope, we'd be Canadians today. If my Aunt was born with a penis she'd be my uncle. If you had been born with a brain you'd be a conservative. What's your point?

Hey, guess what, I've been to Canada. A bunch of times. They are just as free as we are. Except they don't let every asshole who wants a gun have one, they have universal health care, and they don't have a fraction of our crime. I could care less, I'm an American, not a canadian. You seem to love Canada and Japan so much, why the hell are you still here?

Again, I have to ask my self, why is it these European countries, Japan and Canada don't have as many murders, don't have as many prisons, don't have as much crime... Less negroes and hispanic gang bangers. I've told you this already. Remove the crimes and murders committed by these two groups of people and the USA would be one of the safest places on earth to live. I know you, being a brain dead, reality denying liberal refuse to acknowledge this, but the statistics speak for themselves.

Oh, yeah, they have a strong welfare state and strong gun control. And they are just as free as we are. Move there, I'll gladly help you with expenses.

Of course, being a stupid, gun toting redneck, you just chang "USA,USA" and pretend the world doesn't exist. I kind of suspect you don't even have a passport. Lol. Born and raised on the East Side of NYC slick, the furthest thing you can get from being a redneck, and not only do I have a passport, I would be willing to bet I've been to more nations on this earth than you've ever dreamed of.


Again, most gun suicides are teens who have no appreciation of what they are doing. Guns make it too easy to kill themselves. Same with a lot of the murders. So what. suffication follows with almost the same number. Like I said, if you're intent on killing yourself, you'll find a way with or without a firearm. For youth between the ages of 10 and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4600 lives lost each year. The top three methods used in suicides of young people include firearm (45%), suffocation (40%), and poisoning (8%). http://http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pub/youth_suicide.html

Take out their money motive, you'll be AMAZED how fast they become good corporate citizens. Take out their brains and you'll be surprised how fast they become good little liberal democrat citizens.

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Well, Cleetus, if that's the case, why do the Dems dominate the cities and places with education, and the Repukes dominate the places that look like Deliverence was filmed there? You mean the cities where the gun related crimes are the highest? Not to mention the drug related violence, rapes, car jackings, assaults, etc, etc, etc, etc,yeah, look to the liberal controlled cities and their crime rates, and keep bragging about them son.

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Not plowing full this pile of shit except to note all the times Petey just exposed his racism..

 

[JoeB131]

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I don't doubt that he knows a lot of families where members were mentally unstable and committed suicide. After all, birds of a feather flock together.

Says another gun nut who fantasizes about shooting people...

 

[GuyPinestra]

The best argument for Gun Control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut. Seriously, you guys make the argument of why average folks shouldn't have guns better than I ever could.



Oh, bullshit. If Washington and his boys got put at the end of the King's Rope, we'd be Canadians today. If my Aunt was born with a penis she'd be my uncle. If you had been born with a brain you'd be a conservative. What's your point?

Hey, guess what, I've been to Canada. A bunch of times. They are just as free as we are. Except they don't let every asshole who wants a gun have one, they have universal health care, and they don't have a fraction of our crime. I could care less, I'm an American, not a canadian. You seem to love Canada and Japan so much, why the hell are you still here?

Again, I have to ask my self, why is it these European countries, Japan and Canada don't have as many murders, don't have as many prisons, don't have as much crime... Less negroes and hispanic gang bangers. I've told you this already. Remove the crimes and murders committed by these two groups of people and the USA would be one of the safest places on earth to live. I know you, being a brain dead, reality denying liberal refuse to acknowledge this, but the statistics speak for themselves.

Oh, yeah, they have a strong welfare state and strong gun control. And they are just as free as we are. Move there, I'll gladly help you with expenses.

Of course, being a stupid, gun toting redneck, you just chang "USA,USA" and pretend the world doesn't exist. I kind of suspect you don't even have a passport. Lol. Born and raised on the East Side of NYC slick, the furthest thing you can get from being a redneck, and not only do I have a passport, I would be willing to bet I've been to more nations on this earth than you've ever dreamed of.


Again, most gun suicides are teens who have no appreciation of what they are doing. Guns make it too easy to kill themselves. Same with a lot of the murders. So what. suffication follows with almost the same number. Like I said, if you're intent on killing yourself, you'll find a way with or without a firearm. For youth between the ages of 10 and 24, suicide is the third leading cause of death. It results in approximately 4600 lives lost each year. The top three methods used in suicides of young people include firearm (45%), suffocation (40%), and poisoning (8%). http://http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pub/youth_suicide.html



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Well, Cleetus, if that's the case, why do the Dems dominate the cities and places with education, and the Repukes dominate the places that look like Deliverence was filmed there? You mean the cities where the gun related crimes are the highest? Not to mention the drug related violence, rapes, car jackings, assaults, etc, etc, etc, etc,yeah, look to the liberal controlled cities and their crime rates, and keep bragging about them son.

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Not plowing full this pile of shit except to note all the times Petey just exposed his racism..[/QUOTE]

So now it's 'RACIST' to admit to the facts?

Shit Joe, how stupid can you get?

 

[JoeB131]

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Not plowing full this pile of shit except to note all the times Petey just exposed his racism..

So now it's 'RACIST' to admit to the facts?

Shit Joe, how stupid can you get?

The man blames "negro and hispanic gang bangers" for violence.

Even though Loughner, Holmes, and Lanza were whiter than White Bread.