The value of slavery?

[Indeependent]

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

Whites were slaves also.
They recovered.
Maybe they became Black and didn’t recover?

Whites were not slaves. At least not in the US. They were indentured servants and it didnt affect them for generations.

They recovered because other whites gave them handouts

Because Blacks never received handouts.
How did NYS become a Democrat State?

 

[Montrovant]

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

You do realize that plenty of free Black people here in the US became enslaved right? Hell they even made a movie about it. Why do never seem to know what you are talking about?

I saw the movie.
The movie states it was a rare occurrence.

Even if true wouldnt that contradict your claim that "No free Black person became a slave."?

Your words not mine.

He was kipnapped so 100,000,000 Blacks who aren’t descendants of slaves should receive reparations.
Now please find a Link showing millions of Blacks were kidnapped into slavery.

Millions of blacks may not have been kidnapped into slavery, but he's certainly shown evidence that at least some were, which does contradict your claim that no free black person became a slave.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

 

[IM2]

I disagree. People suffer from mental illness all the time. That doesnt mean I believe in racism towards mentally ill people.

People do suffer from mental illness all the time...but not as a race.

You just refuse to believe anything but what you want to believe. You do understand that racism is an abusive behavior don't you?

How Slavery’s Legacy Affects the Mental Health of Black Americans

How the legacy of slavery affects the mental health of black Americans today

The Effects of Slavery within the African-American Community

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

Columbus had never been to N. America so where did the Africans come from prior to his arrival?

And if they were?
BFD.

Now youre angry because I proved your comment was lie? Dont be like that. Get a better argument.

Do you spend all day convincing yourself that you have any idea of what’s going on?

Well, to use his term, I'm fairly confident of that.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

People do suffer from mental illness all the time...but not as a race.

You just refuse to believe anything but what you want to believe. You do understand that racism is an abusive behavior don't you?

How Slavery’s Legacy Affects the Mental Health of Black Americans

How the legacy of slavery affects the mental health of black Americans today

The Effects of Slavery within the African-American Community

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

How exactly does on point someone's race on an internet forum?

 

[Montrovant]

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

The Dominican Republic is considered part of North America. All of Central America is. Central America

 

[Indeependent]

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

You do realize that plenty of free Black people here in the US became enslaved right? Hell they even made a movie about it. Why do never seem to know what you are talking about?

I saw the movie.
The movie states it was a rare occurrence.

Even if true wouldnt that contradict your claim that "No free Black person became a slave."?

Your words not mine.

He was kipnapped so 100,000,000 Blacks who aren’t descendants of slaves should receive reparations.
Now please find a Link showing millions of Blacks were kidnapped into slavery.

Millions of blacks may not have been kidnapped into slavery, but he's certainly shown evidence that at least some were, which does contradict your claim that no free black person became a slave.

We just have to know who did and why their descendants 200 years later still can’t stabalize a community.
I have no sympathy for people who have been receiving welfare for decades not getting their act together.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

The Dominican Republic is considered part of North America. All of Central America is. Central America

The Dominican Republic is part of the Greater Antilles and Venezuela is in South America.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

The Dominican Republic is considered part of North America. All of Central America is. Central America

I stand corrected, regarding the Dominican Republic.

 

[Asclepias]

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

Your stupidity Is mind boggling in its ability to negate anything you say.

 

[Montrovant]

People do suffer from mental illness all the time...but not as a race.

You just refuse to believe anything but what you want to believe. You do understand that racism is an abusive behavior don't you?

How Slavery’s Legacy Affects the Mental Health of Black Americans

How the legacy of slavery affects the mental health of black Americans today

The Effects of Slavery within the African-American Community

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

 

[Indeependent]

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

The Dominican Republic is considered part of North America. All of Central America is. Central America

I stand corrected, regarding the Dominican Republic.

Liar!!!!

 

[IM2]

He is right.

Fuck that shit... slaves got their 40 acres and a mule. Let it go. You're not entitled to anything more.

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

Your stupidity Is mind boggling in its ability to negate anything you say.

I corrected myself regarding the Dominican Republic, but unless you have some map showing the Venezuela is in North America, do share!!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fuck that shit... slaves got their 40 acres and a mule. Let it go. You're not entitled to anything more.

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

Why should people who weren't around back then be held responsible for something? Aren't Africans who enslaved Africans and then sold them into slavery responsible?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fuck that shit... slaves got their 40 acres and a mule. Let it go. You're not entitled to anything more.

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

Better talk with A because he is fairly confident that a lot of what is document isn't true.

 

[IM2]

You just refuse to believe anything but what you want to believe. You do understand that racism is an abusive behavior don't you?

How Slavery’s Legacy Affects the Mental Health of Black Americans

How the legacy of slavery affects the mental health of black Americans today

The Effects of Slavery within the African-American Community

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

 

[Indeependent]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

Why should people who weren't around back then be held responsible for something? Aren't Africans who enslaved Africans and then sold them into slavery responsible?

Butt, butt, butt, butt, butt, butt...it never happened!

 

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What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

Decades of welfare and food stamps and you still can’t get your act together.