The value of slavery?

[toobfreak]

I'm fully confident that not all whites in the US hold such beliefs. If nothing else, some people don't believe in the idea of financial reparations at all.

For that matter, it is not necessarily cognitive dissonance, either. It would depend on the specifics of the beliefs. For example, it's been brought up in this thread that some people believe reparations should only go to those who directly experience a wrong; in the context of the thread, that would be those who were kept as slaves. If such a person is accepting of reparations to people of another race, so long as those reparations only include those directly affected by whatever wrong was afflicted, there would be no contradiction, therefore no dissonance.

Grouping all whites together, even all US whites, is not a positive when it comes to racial discussion, just as grouping all blacks together is not. This is especially true when one falsely ascribes a characteristic to all of the group.

I'm fully confident most whites in the US hold such beliefs. We know this because the fight for reparations is continually argued against as if its illogical. This is where the cognitive dissonance comes in. There are plenty of examples and precedent for it yet whites pretend the very notion is crazy. There wouldnt be any precedent or examples if there was no belief in the general concept. Matter of fact the word reparations wouldnt appear in the english language. The idea that it should go only to directly affected persons is simply an escape clause to relive the mental pressure. No where in the definition of reparations is there a time limit.

There you go with the "fully confident" shit again. I'm fully confident you are not the brightest bulb in the box.

I am trying to figure out why you think I am interested in what you feel about me?. Youre just some poor white boy that cant address the topic of reparations without being afraid you will lose your welfare check.

You're a fucking idiot. I am neither poor nor do receive welfare. You are the one looking for a handout from the U.S. taxpayers.

Go peddle your racist bullshit elsewhere.

Reparations are not handouts.

Absolutely nothing but handouts since they are going to people who were never wronged for a damned thing.

 

[Indeependent]

Fuck that shit... slaves got their 40 acres and a mule. Let it go. You're not entitled to anything more.

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

Whites were slaves also.
They recovered.
Maybe they became Black and didn’t recover?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fuck that shit... slaves got their 40 acres and a mule. Let it go. You're not entitled to anything more.

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

 

[Asclepias]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

 

[Indeependent]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

NA Native Americans...even the ones from what is currently known as Canada.

 

[Indeependent]

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

 

[Asclepias]

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

Columbus had never been to N. America so where did the Africans come from prior to his arrival?

 

[Asclepias]

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

 

[Montrovant]

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

Yes that is what I meant. I actually specified I didnt see this mental illness in Canada and in the places I went in europe like Germany.

What is the specific mental illness? Cognitive dissonance is kind of non-specific. What are the contradictory beliefs that all whites in the US hold?

Cognitive Dissonance is specific enough for me.

The belief that other races should get reparations but not Blacks is the one that is pertinent to this topic.

I'm fully confident that not all whites in the US hold such beliefs. If nothing else, some people don't believe in the idea of financial reparations at all.

For that matter, it is not necessarily cognitive dissonance, either. It would depend on the specifics of the beliefs. For example, it's been brought up in this thread that some people believe reparations should only go to those who directly experience a wrong; in the context of the thread, that would be those who were kept as slaves. If such a person is accepting of reparations to people of another race, so long as those reparations only include those directly affected by whatever wrong was afflicted, there would be no contradiction, therefore no dissonance.

Grouping all whites together, even all US whites, is not a positive when it comes to racial discussion, just as grouping all blacks together is not. This is especially true when one falsely ascribes a characteristic to all of the group.

Nobody is doing that and you whites here just need to understand that whites as a race have a 242 record so always talking about what all whites did not do adds nothing to the conversation and is always used as a diversion.

I don't know what a 242 record is.

I'm not using anything as a diversion. If you falsely describe an entire race as having a characteristic, for example cognitive dissonance regarding reparations, you are engaging in just the sort of generalizing and false stereotyping that is the hallmark of racism.

That does not mean that there is no history of the white majority oppressing blacks (and other minorities) in the US.

 

[Montrovant]

If you honestly believe that, that is the sort of racial grouping and stereotyping that is the hallmark of racism.

I disagree. People suffer from mental illness all the time. That doesnt mean I believe in racism towards mentally ill people.

People do suffer from mental illness all the time...but not as a race.

You just refuse to believe anything but what you want to believe. You do understand that racism is an abusive behavior don't you?

How Slavery’s Legacy Affects the Mental Health of Black Americans

How the legacy of slavery affects the mental health of black Americans today

The Effects of Slavery within the African-American Community

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

 

[Indeependent]

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

Columbus had never been to N. America so where did the Africans come from prior to his arrival?

And if they were?
BFD.

 

[IM2]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

Whites were slaves also.
They recovered.
Maybe they became Black and didn’t recover?

Another dumb comment that's oblivious to the facts of American history..

 

[Asclepias]

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

Columbus had never been to N. America so where did the Africans come from prior to his arrival?

And if they were?
BFD.

Now youre angry because I proved your comment was lie? Dont be like that. Get a better argument.

 

[Asclepias]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

Whites were slaves also.
They recovered.
Maybe they became Black and didn’t recover?

Whites were not slaves. At least not in the US. They were indentured servants and it didnt affect them for generations.

They recovered because other whites gave them handouts

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Columbus never set foot on North America you dummy. And the first Africans to come here is recorded as August 1619.

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

 

[Asclepias]

Whites record a lot of things that arent true and we know columbus himself was told by the NA that they traded with Africans long before whites showed up.

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

So, you claim that things are recorded aren't always true, then rely on Columbus' journal ( a recording) to bolster you claim t hat blacks were here in North America before Columbus got here, even though he never set foot on American Soil?

Do you realize how asinine that is?

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

 

[Montrovant]

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

Yes that is what I meant. I actually specified I didnt see this mental illness in Canada and in the places I went in europe like Germany.

What is the specific mental illness? Cognitive dissonance is kind of non-specific. What are the contradictory beliefs that all whites in the US hold?

Cognitive Dissonance is specific enough for me.

The belief that other races should get reparations but not Blacks is the one that is pertinent to this topic.

I'm fully confident that not all whites in the US hold such beliefs. If nothing else, some people don't believe in the idea of financial reparations at all.

For that matter, it is not necessarily cognitive dissonance, either. It would depend on the specifics of the beliefs. For example, it's been brought up in this thread that some people believe reparations should only go to those who directly experience a wrong; in the context of the thread, that would be those who were kept as slaves. If such a person is accepting of reparations to people of another race, so long as those reparations only include those directly affected by whatever wrong was afflicted, there would be no contradiction, therefore no dissonance.

Grouping all whites together, even all US whites, is not a positive when it comes to racial discussion, just as grouping all blacks together is not. This is especially true when one falsely ascribes a characteristic to all of the group.

I'm fully confident most whites in the US hold such beliefs. We know this because the fight for reparations is continually argued against as if its illogical. This is where the cognitive dissonance comes in. There are plenty of examples and precedent for it yet whites pretend the very notion is crazy. There wouldnt be any precedent or examples if there was no belief in the general concept. Matter of fact the word reparations wouldnt appear in the english language. The idea that it should go only to directly affected persons is simply an escape clause to relive the mental pressure. No where in the definition of reparations is there a time limit.

You're making a false argument. Saying that reparations should not be made in one case but should in another does not indicate cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is about having contradictory beliefs. It is not contradictory simply to say that not every case for reparations is valid.

Further, not all whites are opposed to reparations for slavery.

Further, you would have to assume all whites who do oppose reparations for slavery oppose it for the same reasons.

Further, you would have to assume that whites opposing reparations for slavery even realize that other reparations have been paid in the past (I would guess there are quite a few people who have no idea).

What you appear to be doing is ascribing beliefs you expect people to have as though they must have those beliefs. In other words, you're using a personal stereotype to generalize whites in the US. Maybe you are extrapolating from personal interactions you've had, or things you've read, I don't know. Whatever your reasons, you're speaking for a group of more than 100 million people (adult whites in the US) as though they all think the same on this subject and you know how they think.

The idea that reparations should only go to directly affected persons is a perfectly valid opinion. It does not need to be in the definition to be valid; it's merely an opinion about the circumstances in which reparations should apply. That you disagree with it does not mean it is "simply an escape clause to relive [sic] the mental pressure." The impression you give is that you will dismiss any opinion contrary to your own in order to maintain your belief that whites think a certain way as a group regarding slavery reparations. I can only guess that you prefer dealing with or thinking of people as part a homogeneous group.

 

[Montrovant]

What does this even mean?

If you are illiterate that's your problem.

If I were illiterate I wouldn't have been able to read it you asshat. It just makes no sense, you have issues with cogency.

It makes plenty of sense, you are just dumb.

I can hear and speak quite well thank you, therefore I am not dumb.

Its kind of obvious your just another dumb monkey. You deny facts and precedent regarding reparations.

Never call someone dumb when using the wrong version of you're/your!

It never gets old.

 

[Indeependent]

How do we "know" this. And who are the "NA"?

In your case maybe you dont know. You are an idiot that cant read well. Have someone help you read columbus journal.

Uh huh.
Because Columbus bought and sold millions of African slaves.

Columbus had never been to N. America so where did the Africans come from prior to his arrival?

And if they were?
BFD.

Now youre angry because I proved your comment was lie? Dont be like that. Get a better argument.

Do you spend all day convincing yourself that you have any idea of what’s going on?