The value of slavery?

[Soggy in NOLA]

I want restitution from every Black who has ever received public assistance.

Another dumb comment.

Why?
Blacks get my tax dollars for decades and use it at the bar and to buy knives and guns and you want another income stream?

Another dumb comment.

You got your education from Community Meetings and Black websites and you’re calling me dumb?

Have you ever met an intelligent racist? Those two are two of the biggest racists on this board.

 

[Indeependent]

I want restitution from every Black who has ever received public assistance.

Another dumb comment.

Why?
Blacks get my tax dollars for decades and use it at the bar and to buy knives and guns and you want another income stream?

Another dumb comment.

You got your education from Community Meetings and Black websites and you’re calling me dumb?

Have you ever met an intelligent racist? Those two are two of the biggest racists on this board.

I never met White trash who wanted Reparations.

 

[MizMolly]

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

You dont know which blacks would have spent their income wisely to leave any wealth behind. While slavery was wrong, had the slaves been paid, Why do you think they would have had wealth? They would have had to pay bills like everyone else. Not all whites were left riches from their ancestors.

 

[IM2]

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

Why should people who weren't around back then be held responsible for something? Aren't Africans who enslaved Africans and then sold them into slavery responsible?

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

 

[Indeependent]

Why should people who weren't around back then be held responsible for something? Aren't Africans who enslaved Africans and then sold them into slavery responsible?

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

Bull...
You’ve accomplished nothing with 50 years of public handouts.

 

[IM2]

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

Bull...
You’ve accomplished nothing with 50 years of public handouts.

Another dumb comment.

Exactly what public handouts have been given exclusively to blacks?

 

[IM2]

I want restitution from every Black who has ever received public assistance.

Another dumb comment.

Why?
Blacks get my tax dollars for decades and use it at the bar and to buy knives and guns and you want another income stream?

Another dumb comment.

You got your education from Community Meetings and Black websites and you’re calling me dumb?

Actually I have a bachelors and masters degree. Whites are not really known for historical accuracy son.

 

[IM2]

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

Bull...
You’ve accomplished nothing with 50 years of public handouts.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion
BACKGROUND:

A Long History of Affirmative Action - For Whites

Many middle-class white people, especially those of us from the suburbs, like to think that we got to where we are today by virtue of our merit - hard work, intelligence, pluck, and maybe a little luck. And while we may be sympathetic to the plight of others, we close down when we hear the words "affirmative action" or "racial preferences." We worked hard, we made it on our own, the thinking goes, why don't 'they'? After all, the Civil Rights Act was enacted almost 40 years ago.

What we don't readily acknowledge is that racial preferences have a long, institutional history in this country - a white history. Here are a few ways in which government programs and practices have channeled wealth and opportunities to white people at the expense of others.


Early Racial Preferences

We all know the old history, but it's still worth reminding ourselves of its scale and scope. Affirmative action in the American "workplace" first began in the late 17th century when European indentured servants - the original source of unfree labor on the new tobacco plantations of Virginia and Maryland - were replaced by African slaves. In exchange for their support and their policing of the growing slave population, lower-class Europeans won new rights, entitlements, and opportunities from the planter elite.

White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers. The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property. In this century, Alien Land Laws passed in California and other states, reserved farm land for white growers by preventing Asian immigrants, ineligible to become citizens, from owning or leasing land. Immigration restrictions further limited opportunities for nonwhite groups. Racial barriers to naturalized U.S. citizenship weren't removed until the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, and white racial preferences in immigration remained until 1965.

In the South, the federal government never followed through on General Sherman's Civil War plan to divide up plantations and give each freed slave "40 acres and a mule" as reparations. Only once was monetary compensation made for slavery, in Washington, D.C. There, government officials paid up to $300 per slave upon emancipation - not to the slaves, but to local slaveholders as compensation for loss of property.

When slavery ended, its legacy lived on not only in the impoverished condition of Black people but in the wealth and prosperity that accrued to white slaveowners and their descendents. Economists who try to place a dollar value on how much white Americans have profited from 200 years of unpaid slave labor, including interest, begin their estimates at $1 trillion.

Jim Crow laws, instituted in the late 19th and early 20th century and not overturned in many states until the 1960s, reserved the best jobs, neighborhoods, schools and hospitals for white people.


The Advantages Grow, Generation to Generation

Less known are more recent government racial preferences, first enacted during the New Deal, that directed wealth to white families and continue to shape life opportunities and chances.

The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian. As low-income workers, they also had the least opportunity to save for their retirement. They couldn't pass wealth on to their children. Just the opposite. Their children had to support them.

Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s. In 1972, for example, every single one of the 3,000 members of Los Angeles Steam Fitters Local #250 was still white.

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites. Of the 350,000 new homes built with federal support in northern California between 1946 and 1960, fewer than 100 went to African Americans.

These government programs made possible the new segregated white suburbs that sprang up around the country after World War II. Government subsidies for municipal services helped develop and enhance these suburbs further, in turn fueling commercial investments. Freeways tied the new suburbs to central business districts, but they often cut through and destroyed the vitality of non-white neighborhoods in the central city.

Today, Black and Latino mortgage applicants are still 60% more likely than whites to be turned down for a loan, even after controlling for employment, financial, and neighborhood factors. According to the Census, whites are more likely to be segregated than any other group. As recently as 1993, 86% of suburban whites still lived in neighborhoods with a black population of less than 1%.


Reaping the Rewards of Racial Preference

One result of the generations of preferential treatment for whites is that a typical white family today has on average eight times the assets, or net worth, of a typical African American family, according to economist Edward Wolff. Even when families of the same income are compared, white families have more than twice the wealth of Black families. Much of that wealth difference can be attributed to the value of one's home, and how much one inherited from parents.

But a family's net worth is not simply the finish line, it's also the starting point for the next generation. Those with wealth pass their assets on to their children - by financing a college education, lending a hand during hard times, or assisting with the down payment for a home. Some economists estimate that up to 80 percent of lifetime wealth accumulation depends on these intergenerational transfers. White advantage is passed down, from parent to child to grand-child. As a result, the racial wealth gap - and the head start enjoyed by whites - appears to have grown since the civil rights days.

In 1865, just after Emancipation, it is not surprising that African Americans owned 0.5 percent of the total worth of the United States. But by 1990, a full 135 years after the abolition of slavery, Black Americans still possessed only a meager 1 percent of national wealth.


Rather than recognize how "racial preferences" have tilted the playing field and given us a head start in life, many whites continue to believe that race does not affect our lives. Instead, we chastise others for not achieving what we have; we even invert the situation and accuse non-whites of using "the race card" to advance themselves.

Or we suggest that differential outcomes may simply result from differences in "natural" ability or motivation. However, sociologist Dalton Conley's research shows that when we compare the performance of families across racial lines who make not just the same income, but also hold similar net worth, a very interesting thing happens: many of the racial disparities in education, graduation rates, welfare usage and other outcomes disappear. The "performance gap" between whites and nonwhites is a product not of nature, but unequal circumstances.

Colorblind policies that treat everyone the same, no exceptions for minorities, are often counter-posed against affirmative action. But colorblindness today merely bolsters the unfair advantages that color-coded practices have enabled white Americans to long accumulate.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage

Talk to me when blacks get the same 300 years worth of handouts whites have.

 

[Montrovant]

What does that have to do with a race suffering from mental illness? You are aware, I hope, that not all blacks are American?

Perhaps Asclepias meant that white Americans have mental issues, rather than all whites (which I still feel is ridiculous, but at least a bit less so). I went with what was actually said.

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

You did not miss 200 plus years of income because you were enslaved. That means that it is indirect. Again, it doesn't mean it is invalid, just indirect.

Also, to clarify: By whites here, are you talking about in the US, or just on USMB?

 

[Montrovant]

Why should people who weren't around back then be held responsible for something? Aren't Africans who enslaved Africans and then sold them into slavery responsible?

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

You make it sound as if wages would have made everything better. The laws and attitudes of the population would still have been a huge problem, wages or not. You've argued that reparations are about far more than just slavery before and I think it sounds more sensible when taken as that whole. Couching it in terms of only the wages slaves did not receive isn't nearly as convincing.

I do understand that this thread is based specifically on slavery and reparations for that.

 

[Asclepias]

Yeah but we got back up from the son of Columbus as well. I take notes in a journal more seriously than some trumped story years later. Ha trumped up.

Are you pretty confident that Diego Columbus brought slaves to North America? Because he didn't, the closest he ever got was Santo Domingo.

I never said Diego brought slaves to N. America but you do realize Santa Domingo is in N.America right?

https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/capitals-of-north-america.html

Neither Santo Domingo Venezuela nor Santo Doming Dominican Republic are in North America.

Jesus Christ.

Your stupidity Is mind boggling in its ability to negate anything you say.

I corrected myself regarding the Dominican Republic, but unless you have some map showing the Venezuela is in North America, do share!!

No one mentioned Venezuela but you dummy. Try something else to alleve your embarrassment.

 

[Asclepias]

Actually that did not happen.

The Truth Behind ’40 Acres and a Mule’

Today, we commonly use the phrase “40 acres and a mule,” but few of us have read the Order itself. Three of its parts are relevant here. Section one bears repeating in full: “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States.”

Section two specifies that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: ” … on the islands, and in the settlements hereafter to be established, no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.”

Finally, section three specifies the allocation of land: ” … each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.”

With this Order, 400,000 acres of land — “a strip of coastline stretching from Charleston, South Carolina, to the St. John’s River in Florida, including Georgia’s Sea Islands and the mainland thirty miles in from the coast,” as Barton Myers reports — would be redistributed to the newly freed slaves.

The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross

And what happened to this astonishingly visionary program, which would have fundamentally altered the course of American race relations? Andrew Johnson, Lincoln’s successor and a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it” — to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America.

Now shut up. Because if we had got what was promised we would not be talking about reparations now.

You do realize that some Blacks came here on their own.

Hell there were Blacks here before columbus. What does that have to do with reparations due to legalizing chattel slavery here in the states?

Duh!
No free Black person became a slave.
Their families on the African continent sold them and none of your out of context or out of chronological order bullshit changes history.

Again, it is documented fact that blacks did not sell family members. And is it legal fact that those Africans are not responsible for what whites did on these shores. African law did not apply here. America was not an African colony. African governments did not make slavery legal in America. Africans did not work blacks in America without pay for 223 years. Whites did this. Accept the truth and stop making shit up.

Better talk with A because he is fairly confident that a lot of what is document isn't true.

Anything whites document that puts themselves in a good light and Blacks in a bad light is hardly ever true.

 

[Asclepias]

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

Decades of welfare and food stamps and you still can’t get your act together.

We need centuries of AA and handouts just like whites had.

 

[Asclepias]

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

You dont know which blacks would have spent their income wisely to leave any wealth behind. While slavery was wrong, had the slaves been paid, Why do you think they would have had wealth? They would have had to pay bills like everyone else. Not all whites were left riches from their ancestors.

You dont have to know. The point is they never got the opportunity.

 

[IM2]

And you damn sure don't want to discuss the psychological impact of slavery and colonization on those blacks who are not American. Montrovant you simply are not educated enough on these matters try to instruct me about issues such as this. Learn to listen, that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here. A is correct and the accuracy in his comments are apparent in places like this. You are white and you just don't want to see the problem of people denying reality to such an extent they actually argue against documented fact.

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

You did not miss 200 plus years of income because you were enslaved. That means that it is indirect. Again, it doesn't mean it is invalid, just indirect.

Also, to clarify: By whites here, are you talking about in the US, or just on USMB?

You aren't that dumb so I don't need to clarify what was said.. We can draw the line to slavery as it pertains to our economic condition today. So it's really not indirect.

 

[IM2]

Why are you still paying Native Americans for shit you weren't around for? Study how things really happened in Africa in detail for a few years then come back and ask that last question.

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

You make it sound as if wages would have made everything better. The laws and attitudes of the population would still have been a huge problem, wages or not. You've argued that reparations are about far more than just slavery before and I think it sounds more sensible when taken as that whole. Couching it in terms of only the wages slaves did not receive isn't nearly as convincing.

I do understand that this thread is based specifically on slavery and reparations for that.

It's not going to matter what we say to you about this issue. No matter what we show you or the other whites here, you are going to have excuses.

 

[Indeependent]

Because I have no say in the matter. And they are being paid for land mismanagement, not for being NA.

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

Bull...
You’ve accomplished nothing with 50 years of public handouts.

Another dumb comment.

Exactly what public handouts have been given exclusively to blacks?

What do non-Whites do with public handouts?
They buy food, not guns and knives.
They don’t lease BMWs.
They don’t do the bar every night.

 

[Indeependent]

What does the psychological impact of slavery have to do with claiming all US whites have cognitive dissonance regarding reparations?

And here you go again generalizing whites, and assuming I am white.

What documented fact are you talking about? Are you saying that all blacks suffer from mental illness due to slavery and that is a documented fact?

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

Decades of welfare and food stamps and you still can’t get your act together.

We need centuries of AA and handouts just like whites had.

Centuries?
Elaborate.

 

[Asclepias]

Your argument is made by whites. And generally when someone is white in one of these forums and a person points that out, the first thing they try saying is how a person is assuming they are white.

Again, when you learn that a comment that has the word whites in it doesn't mean all whites hen you will be able to participate in these discussions more effectively. Blacks, and that does not mean all blacks, do suffer from mental issues due to slavery. That's not me making that comment. You were provided links that you obviously did not read from others who have done more extensive study on this matter than I and most certainly you have.

I think A explained his position clearly and looking at the conversation here and in any similar primarily white forum where this has been discussed, A is correct in his assessment.

I understand perfectly well that whites doesn't necessarily mean all whites. I also understand that you often like to generalize when talking about whites. In this particular case, you said "that's the major problem whites seem to have and more specifically whites here."

Anyone suffering mental issues from slavery today is doing so indirectly (other than any exceptions who may have actually been enslaved). That does not invalidate their suffering, but it might make it difficult to prove when discussing reparations for slavery. It also is not contradicting my point that ascribing cognitive dissonance to all whites in the US is asinine.

Because that's the general problem whites have, more specifically whites here. Montrovant we missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. We are not indirectly affect by this.

Decades of welfare and food stamps and you still can’t get your act together.

We need centuries of AA and handouts just like whites had.

Centuries?
Elaborate.

What do you need to know? I am assuming you are aware that white people had AA from the moment this nation was formed right?

 

[IM2]

That's only the Cobell case and those reparations extend from the Dawes Act of the 1800's. How about the rest of the annual payments to Native American tribes? And blacks are not asking for reparations for being black.

Agreed.. but why do you want to be paid from people that never participated in slavery for something that never happened to you ?

We missed 200 plus years of income that would have dramatically changed things today for blacks because of slavery. It has happened to us. You benefit from it because of the additional wealth whites have been able to gather during that same time period. There are things resulting from slavery that you guys refuse to consider because whites did not have to live with the negative consequences of not being paid for work for over 200 years. To you guys it's simple. you were not slaves why are you asking for reparations for slavery?

So the next time your white ass drives by a black slum, ask yourself, "would this slum exist had blacks been able to earn the trillions they the lost over the 223 years blacks were slaves?"

Bull...
You’ve accomplished nothing with 50 years of public handouts.

Another dumb comment.

Exactly what public handouts have been given exclusively to blacks?

What do non-Whites do with public handouts?
They buy food, not guns and knives.
They don’t lease BMWs.
They don’t do the bar every night.

Exactly what public handouts have been given exclusively to blacks?

That's the question you were asked. No one asked for your racist opinion.