The WEIRD political hypocrisy of this board.

[MACAULAY]

Its a simple issue of comparison.

The Bushes were in fact wonderful compared to the Clintons and Obamas; they were a disaster compared to Reagan and Trump.

 

[rightwinger]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

This is consistently the case, the Republican and Democrat party voters only support ideas as long as their party is the one in favor of it. I can sum up their positions for you, though; Bigger Government. It's the only constant from beginning to end.

Think right sized Government

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

 

[The Original Tree]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

No liberals thought that the right wing in the U.S. would turn as extreme as it has. The idea of a Trump presidency existed only in a comedy show named 'The Simpsons'. It is an utter absurdity.

The left hasn't changed much, true Republicans like the Bushs, McCain and Romney seem a whole lot more reasonable than the wack job that's our current President.

The fact that all the Trumpbots now despise the Bushs, McCain and Romney shows how far off the deep end they've gone. There is something seriously wrong with these people!

The wild card that Trump has brought into the arena are the people who are angry and bitter at our government and politicians from both parties. Trump is a big messy Fuck You to all those people and his base loves it. It actually makes sense if you think about it. The unfortunate part is it seems these people care more about the “Fuck You” than promoting a healthy and productive state of affairs.

It's always nice when you can flip the bird to the people who have been ripping off and sticking it to taxpayers for decades. It's not that hard to understand. Honest hard working people want Washington DC cleaned up.

 

[rightwinger]

I respect Bush 43 as an individual. I think he is a fine family man, loving husband and wanted what was best for the country. He was just extremely inept as a president

I have always considered McCain to be an American hero and a politician who put his country first. I just thought he sold out to the extreme conservatives at the end of his career

I also respected Bob Dole, Bush 41 and Mitt Romney

I have no such admiration for Trump as an individual, a leader or as a family man

It has nothing to do with politics

Wait a minute...did you REALLY just claim that you "respected" George W. Bush? Wow...I'm amazed that a lightning bolt didn't come down out of the sky and fry your lying ass for THAT one, Winger!

I think he is a wonderful father, I admire his daughters and wife

I just feel he made a horrible President

In what way was Bush a "horrible" President?

I admired Bush post 9-11 but think he took his mandate too far and brought us in to two disastrous wars that upset the balance of power in the region
He also engaged in torture which I can’t forgive
He brought us into the worst recession in 75 years which collapsed our economy
He passed two inexcusable tax cuts while we were engaged in war

The OP is about the passing of George H. W. Bush, Winger...not W.

It was about changing perceptions of politicians

 

[rightwinger]

Its a simple issue of comparison.

The Bushes were in fact wonderful compared to the Clintons and Obamas; they were a disaster compared to Reagan and Trump.

Goofy

 

[Papageorgio]

Bush 41 was fine then and now in my book. I changed my mind on McCain when he and Fiengold introduced CFR, that was it for me, McCain was nothing but a career politician that made it almost impossible for anyone but the incumbent to win, his stupid bill helped launched the Citizens United lawsuit. Just a bad politician. Romney was okay, Trump, I have never liked as a person, I do agree with some of his policies, his spending and tax cuts are very concerning.

Clinton would be the guy to hang with if you wanted a lot of fun. Bush 43 would be the guy to hang out with, have a beer and watch a baseball game. Obama would be the guy to hang out with if you wanted to learn liberal views. Trump, if you wanted to learn to make money, Of the group Bush 43 would be the only guy I'd believe when they told me anything.

The problem is that Bush 43 doesn't know anything.

Bush 43 was the one who finally woke me up to the fact the GOP was dead. It's because of Bush 43 I stopped voting on the federal level after 2004.

It's been downhill for the party ever since. Every time the fake conservatives hit a new low, I would tell myself, "This has to be the bottom."

And then they would do something even more craven. They would sacrifice yet one more conservative principle on the altar of power.

And then they'd do it again. And again. And again.

I have resolved myself to the fear I may never see the conservative movement recover in my lifetime.

Real conservatives and real liberals don't have a party to represent them.

 

[bendog]

Bush 41 was fine then and now in my book. I changed my mind on McCain when he and Fiengold introduced CFR, that was it for me, McCain was nothing but a career politician that made it almost impossible for anyone but the incumbent to win, his stupid bill helped launched the Citizens United lawsuit. Just a bad politician. Romney was okay, Trump, I have never liked as a person, I do agree with some of his policies, his spending and tax cuts are very concerning.

Clinton would be the guy to hang with if you wanted a lot of fun. Bush 43 would be the guy to hang out with, have a beer and watch a baseball game. Obama would be the guy to hang out with if you wanted to learn liberal views. Trump, if you wanted to learn to make money, Of the group Bush 43 would be the only guy I'd believe when they told me anything.

The problem is that Bush 43 doesn't know anything.

Bush 43 was the one who finally woke me up to the fact the GOP was dead. It's because of Bush 43 I stopped voting on the federal level after 2004.

It's been downhill for the party ever since. Every time the fake conservatives hit a new low, I would tell myself, "This has to be the bottom."

And then they would do something even more craven. They would sacrifice yet one more conservative principle on the altar of power.

And then they'd do it again. And again. And again.

I have resolved myself to the fear I may never see the conservative movement recover in my lifetime.

1976 was a little disheartening too, but Carter at least ran on a unicorn of a balanced budget.

Part of the problem was not just W, but Norquist. BushI was horrible because he opted to raise taxes to pay for the savings and loan bailout ... but like other bailouts, that eventually paid for itself when the govt sold off the distressed loans it bought up. But then .... eventually the budget was theoretically balanced six years or so later.

Norquist didn't call out W for being a "liberal" when he cut taxes and expanded medicare (not to mention starting a war with no end)

 

[Pumpkin Row]

This is consistently the case, the Republican and Democrat party voters only support ideas as long as their party is the one in favor of it. I can sum up their positions for you, though; Bigger Government. It's the only constant from beginning to end.

Think right sized Government

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

 

[Slade3200]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

No liberals thought that the right wing in the U.S. would turn as extreme as it has. The idea of a Trump presidency existed only in a comedy show named 'The Simpsons'. It is an utter absurdity.

The left hasn't changed much, true Republicans like the Bushs, McCain and Romney seem a whole lot more reasonable than the wack job that's our current President.

The fact that all the Trumpbots now despise the Bushs, McCain and Romney shows how far off the deep end they've gone. There is something seriously wrong with these people!

The wild card that Trump has brought into the arena are the people who are angry and bitter at our government and politicians from both parties. Trump is a big messy Fuck You to all those people and his base loves it. It actually makes sense if you think about it. The unfortunate part is it seems these people care more about the “Fuck You” than promoting a healthy and productive state of affairs.

It's always nice when you can flip the bird to the people who have been ripping off and sticking it to taxpayers for decades. It's not that hard to understand. Honest hard working people want Washington DC cleaned up.

Yeah that’s what I said, it’s easy to understand the attraction. Problem is you are so blinded by hate you don’t have a realistic understanding of the damage that is happening to our system through the ugly and divisive discourse. I know the drama is fun and everything but serious people see what’s happening and it’s far from good

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Think right sized Government

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

Here is a detailed chart that shows what difference your vote makes, if you don't vote:

0

 

[candycorn]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

As every conservative, family values, free trade and pro-veteran republican lines up to suck Donald’s Dick (behind you).

Trump:

Has a Trillion dollars yearly deficit
Has family values—3 families from what it looks like and pays off adult film stars
Starts trade wars; with our allies
And can’t be bothered to honor veterans and cheats them out of benefits they earned.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

Here is a stat that shows what difference your vote makes, if you don't vote:

0

The above is what it looks like when someone doesn't read your full post.

 

[Slade3200]

Think right sized Government

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

You ask what gives the government legitimacy? That’s easy. The military gives the federal government legitimacy and the police force gives State governments legitimacy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

Here is a stat that shows what difference your vote makes, if you don't vote:

0

The above is what it looks like when someone doesn't read your full post.

Your point wasn't complicated. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

Here is a stat that shows what difference your vote makes, if you don't vote:

0

The above is what it looks like when someone doesn't read your full post.

Your point wasn't complicated. Don't kid yourself.

You're right, it wasn't complicated, which is why it's hilarious that you completely missed, and failed to address, it.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Such a thing doesn't exist, because it consistently exhibits tumor-like growth. You either have rapidly expanding, authoritarian government, or you have freedom, and as much as you partyarchs like to pretend there's some kind of sweet spot in between, no such thing exists, because a ruler does not work for you. One who has a collection of thug departments who can hold you at gunpoint while forcing you to conform to their will has no duty to you.

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

You ask what gives the government legitimacy? That’s easy. The military gives the federal government legitimacy and the police force gives State governments legitimacy.

That sounds like an admission that the government is ruling through force and coercion, and is therefor inherently evil.

 

[Slade3200]

It has existed for over 200 years as We the People decide what size government we desire

And yes, government does give us freedom as it has protected civil rights, women’s rights, worker protections, environmental protection and recently gay rights

That is freedom

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

You ask what gives the government legitimacy? That’s easy. The military gives the federal government legitimacy and the police force gives State governments legitimacy.

That sounds like an admission that the government is ruling through force and coercion, and is therefor inherently evil.

That’s a nice little spin but not honest. The government runs on LAWS created on officials who are elected by the people and ORDER kept by the police military and our courts . They make rules and punish those who break the rules. So yes there is force but that doesn’t make it evil

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

I used to vote blue a lot until I saw this at the DNC. Now how can I possibly vote blue again as I am a Jew.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

We the people decide nothing. The government in the first few decades of its existence violated the very constitution that they claim lists our recognized rights, by blending sentences together in the constitution to decide that they can regulate absolutely everything. What we want or think does not matter, and has never mattered.

Our votes don't even matter, what we vote for has no bearing on what the Electoral College decides, and in fact, they're living proof that the government simply apoints whatever people they want into whatever position they want.

I bet you even think that the government checks and balances itself, despite the fact that each 'branch' is a head on the same hydra. As a matter of fact, they all work towards the same interest, because they're all attached to the same body.

Better yet, when did you consent to being ruled by the government? I never signed the Constitution, so why does the government still steal my money? What legitimate claim do they have to the fruits of anyone's labor? If a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers gathers together and declares themselves the government, does that give them some claim to everyone's money is they so declare it legal?

Have you ever considered why it is that a group of robbers, murderers, and kidnappers can just declare that they have rights which we do not, and act upon them?

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

You ask what gives the government legitimacy? That’s easy. The military gives the federal government legitimacy and the police force gives State governments legitimacy.

That sounds like an admission that the government is ruling through force and coercion, and is therefor inherently evil.

That’s a nice little spin but not honest. The government runs on LAWS created on officials who are elected by the people and ORDER kept by the police military and our courts . They make rules and punish those who break the rules. So yes there is force but that doesn’t make it evil

Laws are simply the government granting itself permission to do any specific thing, and as our consent is not necessary, nothing is actually stopping them from doing this. As an example, Nazi Germany granted itself permission to murder anyone they didn't agree with.

Elections don't matter, the elections are held by secret ballot, and nobody consents to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers in the first place. Government is simply might makes right, and elections only grant the illusion of choice. Best case scenario, he majority is just deciding which tyrant the minority will be ruled by.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes, We the People decide and Yes, our votes do matter
Thousands of politicians were sent packing in the last election

We have a superior democracy to what our founders envisioned. People have more freedom, more of a voice, more liberty

Our nation and the Government that runs it has evolved and we are all better for it

You clearly didn't listen to the video, or my argument. I pointed out that the Constitution holds no power over the government, nor does it give the government any legitimacy if it did.

You also completely ignored that the electoral college exists, they're never under any obligation to listen to the people, they can easily just decide on any other choice. Even if they are bound by your decision, here are the chances of your vote being decisive by state:

Even ignoring all of the aforementioned, you completely neglected to explain what gives the government legitimacy, and how anyone consented to being ruled by these robbers, murderers, and kidnappers. Furthermore, there's evidence that presidents are promoted from within the government, regardless of anything claimed to be the political process: Five Star Trust Origins - FBI Redacted Report

Even ignoring all of the above, how do we know how many votes were placed on which thing? the government counts the votes they can fudge the numbers as much as they like.

Here is a stat that shows what difference your vote makes, if you don't vote:

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The above is what it looks like when someone doesn't read your full post.

Your point wasn't complicated. Don't kid yourself.

You're right, it wasn't complicated, which is why it's hilarious that you completely missed, and failed to address, it.

I didn't miss it, and i was making my own point. That point was very clear: the odds of making a difference are even lower, if you do not vote. Your reaction to this is your tantrum, not mine.