The Welfare State: The Future is Now.

[PoliticalChic]

2. " In fact, since President Obama took office, federal welfare spending has increased by 41 percent, more than $193 billion per year."

And what is the Federal Budget? How about just the budget of the Defense Department?

You, a proven liar posts...why?

Unlike you sweetcheeks, I don't lie about anything here, I have no need to. And you are worried about the few cents you lost, when you have a dollar in your pocket. It's ideology that drives you, nothing more. The numbers prove that which is why you won't answer the question little liar.

Need I repost your proven lies?

 

[Disir]

Yet as Republican Congress members cry fraud to justify defunding SNAP, representatives on both sides of the aisle are expanding without question a different USDA-funded program—one that the Secretary of Agriculture and ranking members of the House Agriculture Committee have both acknowledged to suffer from a much higher incidence of fraud. The federal crop insurance program, which is intended to insure farmers’ crops against inclement weather and unexpected price fluctuations, would be expanded in both the House and Senate versions of the farm bill.

Crop insurance, in spite of its name, isn’t like the commercial insurance policies that most Americans are accustomed to. Though farmers buy different crop insurance policies from a range of private companies, all of those policies are heavily subsidized by the Department of Agriculture—and, in turn, by taxpayers. And while crop insurance has generally been subject to less scrutiny than food stamps, the program is actually far more vulnerable to fraud and abuse than SNAP, according to policy experts, government regulators and federal data.

Unlike the property or casualty insurance policies that most individuals purchase, taxpayers pay all of the administrative costs and about 60 percent of the different premium costs for crop insurance, according to an official with the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress that audits and evaluates government programs. As federal auditors have pointed out, these large subsidies effectively shield producers from the higher premiums associated with filing frequent or large claims. In other words, there’s an incentive for frequent claims embedded into the very core of the program, leaving plenty of room for widespread abuse.

The last official figure calculated by the GAO estimated that the crop insurance program lost $117 million to “fraud, waste and abuse” in 2005, or about 4.3 percent of the program's $2.7 billion cost that year. Crop insurance spending has since expanded to roughly $9 billion. Food stamp fraud, by contrast, accounts for about 1 percent of the program’s cost.

In March, federal investigators uncovered the largest detected crop insurance fraud ring in the country—a $100 million scheme involving insurance agents, claims adjusters, brokers and farmers in eastern North Carolina. “I can tell you it’s everywhere, all across the country,” Jimmy Thomas Sasser, a claims adjuster who was sentenced to four years in prison for his involvement, told the press.

Looking for Fraud in All the Wrong Places - In These Times



Facts are funny things.

Your attempt to change the subject from the import of the OP is proof that the OP is unassailable, and that you have been wounded by same.


In short....

You're lying. Why?

That's not a lie. It's the truth. You just don't like it.

 

[hangover]

The Welfare State: The Future is Now.

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Welfare State: The Future is Now.

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

1. According to John Stossel, the biggest welfare queens are farmers. Agricultural subsidies including direct payments, marketing loans, counter-cyclical payments, conservation subsidies, insurance, disaster aid, export subsidies, and agricultural research, taken together, have become one of the largest middle- and upper-class welfare programs in the nation.

a. “In 2005 alone, when pretax farm profits were at a near-record $72 billion, the federal government handed out more than $25 billion in aid, almost 50 percent more than the amount it pays to families receiving welfare.”

No dispute there, the facts are the facts.




2. The dispute arises due to the debilitating effect on the American character and the family due to Liberal welfare policies.


Above is a revelation about greed, which we all understand....but what Liberal supporters don't understand is that their policies:

a. encourage sloth and a loss of personal responsibility.

b. cause family dissolution

c. result in the kinds of behaviors that incentive crime and poverty.


Statistics prove each of the above.s
And the bureaucracy is aware of those statistics.
You aren't.



3. And...as documented in this thread....Liberal policies do not reduce poverty in the nation.



I'd like to see both aspects changed....welfare to the rich, and welfare policy in total.

It should be taken out of the hands of government.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The Welfare State: The Future is Now.

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

While I'm not a fan of corporate welfare, or any kind of welfare for that matter.
At least those produce jobs and give something back to society,whether it's beef or jobs,at least it's something.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Looking for Fraud in All the Wrong Places - In These Times



Facts are funny things.

Your attempt to change the subject from the import of the OP is proof that the OP is unassailable, and that you have been wounded by same.


In short....

You're lying. Why?

That's not a lie. It's the truth. You just don't like it.

Actually, the truth is that Liberalism is the attempt to instill dependency....

More truth:

6. School breakfast is now a universal freebie….regardless of need or family income!

a. “In Pueblo, school officials take a counterintuitive approach:
They offer free breakfast to all children regardless of income, so no one is embarrassed to be eating it. In most schools here, breakfast is served right in the classrooms. …Feeding free breakfast to students who can afford to pay avoids the stigma for students who can't but don't want everyone to know.

Serving breakfast in class means kids don't have to get there early to be fed, Kidd and other school nutrition directors say. Bus schedules, parents' work schedules, and, for high school students, the desire to sleep as late as possible make getting to school early for breakfast difficult.”
Breakfast in class: Fight against kids' hunger starts at school - USATODAY.com


b. Did you get the part about not worrying about being late?

c. The winner in the food lottery is New Mexico, where some 63% of students eat two meals a day in school.





7. We start ‘em young in dependency.. at the breakfast table!
Principals are now responsible for increasing the dependency numbers!!! Teach dependency, right up there with reading, math, discipline, and graduation rates.

a. “In a locally unprecedented move, the School District of Philadelphia will hold principals accountable for the number of students eating breakfast in their schools. Breakfast participation will be part of the report card that rates principals each year, along with categories such as attendance and math and reading performance.” In city schools, breakfast's now on the principal The head of each school will be held responsible for ensuring that students are well-fed. - Philly.com




Parents don't have the desire nor responsibility for feeding their children?
Nah....government takes their place.....

This was part of the platform of the communist party early on:
"Discredit the family as an institution."
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

 

[hangover]

The Welfare State: The Future is Now.

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

While I'm not a fan of corporate welfare, or any kind of welfare for that matter.
At least those produce jobs and give something back to society,whether it's beef or jobs,at least it's something.

Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison, costs five times more. That's like castrating yourself so that you can be morally superior.

 

[Gadawg73]

Life is like an 0-12 football team.
The gauge of success is how far one can come up in the game and work to get there.
Hard work, dedication, desire, education, study habits, discipline and preparation will get you better off than 0-12.
That is not what the gauge this administration and most all Democrats use as success with assisting those in need.
Their gauge is to schedule more games and go 0-13, 0-14 or Ofer anything because that keeps them in the mode of they can spin their talking points for more cash to expand the moocher class.
As exactly what has happened in most all government programs to assist the "needy".
The gauge should be how many GET OFF these programs and become productive citizens again.
But this entitlement mentality runs through all of society now as even the Pentagon and the military are reporting massive problems with veterans cooking their records to receive disability ratings for non existent injuries. Ditto for social security disability where a hang nail gets you a check every month never to stop.
We need to change the culture of this country.
We are setting a terrible example for our youth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

While I'm not a fan of corporate welfare, or any kind of welfare for that matter.
At least those produce jobs and give something back to society,whether it's beef or jobs,at least it's something.

Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison, costs five times more. That's like castrating yourself so that you can be morally superior.

"Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison,..."


This construction certainly proves that you are as dumb as asphalt.


Teaching values and personal responsibility is the cure for both crime and poverty.



Just a guess....you're a government school grad.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Oh yeah, like welfare for millionaires, welfare for Nevada cattle ranchers, welfare for big oil, welfare for medical insurance companies, and welfare for the military industrial complex.

While I'm not a fan of corporate welfare, or any kind of welfare for that matter.
At least those produce jobs and give something back to society,whether it's beef or jobs,at least it's something.

Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison, costs five times more. That's like castrating yourself so that you can be morally superior.

So being poor automatically makes you a criminal? If you're living on the dole you should be picking up trash on the side of the highway at least four hours a day.
That way they're giving something back to the society that supports them.

 

[ClosedCaption]

While I'm not a fan of corporate welfare, or any kind of welfare for that matter.
At least those produce jobs and give something back to society,whether it's beef or jobs,at least it's something.

Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison, costs five times more. That's like castrating yourself so that you can be morally superior.

"Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison,..."


This construction certainly proves that you are as dumb as asphalt.


Teaching values and personal responsibility is the cure for both crime and poverty.



Just a guess....you're a government school grad.

And evertime a bell rings an angel gets their wings.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison, costs five times more. That's like castrating yourself so that you can be morally superior.

"Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison,..."


This construction certainly proves that you are as dumb as asphalt.


Teaching values and personal responsibility is the cure for both crime and poverty.



Just a guess....you're a government school grad.

And evertime a bell rings an angel gets their wings.

So giving people free shit builds character?

 

[Anathema]

So.....you must believe that Liberal policy is in the hands of morons.....

Since all members of a political party (any/all political parties) are morons, that makes all political policy brought forth by them moronic as well. Regardless of whether it's Liberal or (supposedly) Conservative policy.

 

[ClosedCaption]

"Destroying welfare for the poor, in order put them in prison,..."


This construction certainly proves that you are as dumb as asphalt.


Teaching values and personal responsibility is the cure for both crime and poverty.



Just a guess....you're a government school grad.

And evertime a bell rings an angel gets their wings.

So giving people free shit builds character?

Who said that? Oh just you and your strawman

 

[JakeStarkey]

1. The increase in recent years is the result of the recession and the government trying to get assistance to those who need it. freebeacon.com/study-food-sta...lfare-program/ economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...tamps-program/
2. Anybody can recognize the far right’s desire to punish the poor. Winston Churchill supported the expansion of government services after WWII.
3. The expanded services’ expense now will save several times its cost in prisons and continuing welfare on the far side.
4 And demonstrate how the Omnibus Spending bill services food stamp ads in Mexico is a bad thing if it is aimed at American citizens there.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Tell Walmart to raise their wages and you'll instantly see a huge drop in the number of people on welfare.

Oooooorrr fight for Walmart to pay low wages AND bitch about people being on welfare as if there is no connection.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The increase in recent years is the result of the recession and the government trying to get assistance to those who need it. freebeacon.com/study-food-sta...lfare-program/ economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...tamps-program/
2. Anybody can recognize the far right’s desire to punish the poor. Winston Churchill supported the expansion of government services after WWII.
3. The expanded services’ expense now will save several times its cost in prisons and continuing welfare on the far side.
4 And demonstrate how the Omnibus Spending bill services food stamp ads in Mexico is a bad thing if it is aimed at American citizens there.

1. "The increase in recent years is the result of the recession..."
No it isn't.

2. "Anybody can recognize the far right’s desire to punish the poor."
You're a dope.

3. " ...now will save several times its cost in prisons and continuing welfare on the far side."
What a poor understanding of human nature.
Still a dope.

4. "And demonstrate how the Omnibus Spending bill services food stamp ads in Mexico is a bad thing if it is aimed at American citizens there."

I was wrong....you're an imbecile.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And evertime a bell rings an angel gets their wings.

So giving people free shit builds character?

Who said that? Oh just you and your strawman

Only a complete dumbass would say that after this comment....

"And evertime a bell rings an angel gets their wings."

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's fascinating to see how many times this same thread can be started by the same poster.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberals pretend that their aim is to alleviate poverty, and 'A hand up, not a handout.'

That's a lie.






1. "Forty-seven million people participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), commonly known as food stamps, and costs have increased over 358 percent since 2000.

a. The increase in recent years cannot be attributed to the economic recession..., but lax eligibility requirements and an aggressive campaign by governments to boost their rolls."
http://freebeacon.com/study-food-stamps-most-rapidly-growing-welfare-program/

2. " In fact, since President Obama took office, federal welfare spending has increased by 41 percent, more than $193 billion per year."
Scribd

a. "….the dramatically larger increase also suggests that part of the program’s growth is due to conscious policy choices by this administration to ease eligibility rules and expand caseloads….income limits for eligibility have risen twice as fast as inflation since 2007 and are now roughly 10 percent higher than they were when Obama took office. "Casey Mulligan, “The Sharp Increase in the Food Stamps Program,” Economix,
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/the-sharp-increase-in-the-food-stamps-program/
Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare But Poverty Levels Unaffected | CNS News




3. Only the willfully blind refuse to see that Liberal government's aim is not to decrease poverty and welfare dependency, but to spread it to ever increasing numbers.

a. As Winston Churchill observed:
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”





4. Need proof that the government want to increase the above?
"Spending on advertising and outreach for food stamps by federal and state governments has also increased, now amounting to $41.3 million a year.

States like Florida have hired “food stamp recruiters,” who have a quota of signing up 150 new recipients each month. Rhode Island hosts “SNAP-themed bingo games,” and the USDA tells its field offices to throw parties to get more people on their rolls.

Despite the additional spending, the USDA claims 18 million Americans are still “food insecure.”

Tanner notes the program is more successful in breeding dependence on government, which was apparent last weekend when the EBT system shutdown in several states, resulting in chaos.

“The left is correct when they talk about how small food stamp benefits are, about an average of $4.50 a day,” Tanner said. “And yet we’re told that people can’t survive without them.”

Under Obama, enrollment has surged to almost 48 million. While some chalk up the increase to the recession, Tanner finds little evidence that is the case.

“SNAP is no longer a program targeted at the poorest Americans who may need some temporary help, but it has become part of an ever-growing permanent welfare state,” the report said."
http://freebeacon.com/study-food-stamps-most-rapidly-growing-welfare-program/



5. And....explain this:
"The omnibus spending bill before Congress continues to fund U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) advertising programs for food stamps in foreign countries like Mexico,..."
Omnibus Spending Bill Continues Funding Food Stamp Ads in Mexico

Participation in the food stamp program almost doubled during the Bush presidency.