Theses Senators who voted against Betsy DeVos, send their kids to private schools, not public....

[saveliberty]

Funny how all of the Democrats who voted for Hopeycare also made sure in the bill they were not required to comply with the monstrosity.

Who, besides you, is claiming that to be true?

They may have good reason to wonder if the politicians they elected are “feeling their pain”. That’s because the House and Senate have quietly taken a “Congressional waiver” from the administration that puts them above the law that was specifically amended to include Congress. The law says, “the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff … shall be health plans that are – (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).”

Many who were critical of this law felt the reality of ObamaCare would prove so painful for Congress--as it is for many citizens--that the law would quickly be re-opened, heavily amended or even repealed with Democrat’s help. But that calculation must have also occurred at the White House. The Administration quickly came forward with an illegal sweetheart waiver for Congress alone.

Congressional leaders from both parties quietly and gratefully accepted the special deal from the administration’s Office of Personnel Management. It gives legislators and staff “Gold Level” ObamaCare coverage with a 75 percent subsidy paid by taxpayers or even the option of opting out and retaining their previous heavily subsidized plan. The income of members and staff is simply not counted.

Just wrong: Congress quietly takes ObamaCare waiver

Obama made it all better. Added different rules.

 

[saveliberty]

There is no mandate for those private schools to take in ALL or any, of these kids in public school, and if there were, the private schools would become over crowded...

What makes you think the private schools will lower classroom performance standards to keep everyone in school?

what do you mean? Are they going to keep ONLY the good guys and kick out those who do not perform (and send them back to a public school that may no longer exist because you bankrupted them) if not up to their standards?

What classroom performance standards? Do they have to meet all of the burdensome State testing that public schools have to meet?

Those are pretty big questions from someone who already has a firm opinion. How about you educate yourself and come back?

 

[saveliberty]

There is no mandate for those private schools to take in ALL or any, of these kids in public school, and if there were, the private schools would become over crowded...

What makes you think the private schools will lower classroom performance standards to keep everyone in school?

You do understand part of the allure of private schools is student to teacher ratio and the ability to get more individual attention? So basically what you are going to end up with is private-private schools for the ultra-wealthy...

You understand my kids went to private school? We sent them there for the high standards and outstanding curriculum.

 

[Care4all]

There is no mandate for those private schools to take in ALL or any, of these kids in public school, and if there were, the private schools would become over crowded...

That is the thing about the private economy that you liberals, with all due respect, dont seem to understand.

When the government has a shortage of resources, they ration and force people to share.

When the private sector is short on resources, they grow the pie so that they can make profits from the larger market. I.e. the private schools will expand to take in the extra demand.

Two things I would like to see school vouchers have and I dont see anyone discussing them.

1. Any requirement to meet federal public school standards must exempt private schools or else the private schools will merely become private versions of the very bad public school system. They must be allowed to do their own thing without Federali interference.

2. Vouchers should be larger to cover the extra funding and needs for special needs students, and I dont see that anywhere. If our law makers over look this need, the schools will prefer normal students who have no additional expense and turn away special needs students. This should not be allowed legally nor encouraged financially.

who pays for these vouchers? the tax payer who pays for local schools through their property tax?

or the federal govt with federal taxes?

 

[Care4all]

if private or charter schools work so well using their own models of performance and head counts per class etc....

Then why not model public schools after private schools?

 

[Lewdog]

There is no mandate for those private schools to take in ALL or any, of these kids in public school, and if there were, the private schools would become over crowded...

What makes you think the private schools will lower classroom performance standards to keep everyone in school?

You do understand part of the allure of private schools is student to teacher ratio and the ability to get more individual attention? So basically what you are going to end up with is private-private schools for the ultra-wealthy...

You understand my kids went to private school? We sent them there for the high standards and outstanding curriculum.

And? Would you have still paid for them to go to THAT school if it was full of "voucher" kids and the classroom sizes were twice as large and the curriculum was dumbed down because the students couldn't get as much individual attention?

 

[JimBowie1958]

who pays for these vouchers? the tax payer who pays for local schools through their property tax?
or the federal govt with federal taxes?

I dont know exactly how they plan to fund this thing, IF it ever actualyl gets off the ground.

*I* would personally prefer that states stop financing school districts on the basis of their property taxes and go with something more based on student need, and a voucher system also basedon student need and the school that attracts more students gets more funding, etc.

But who knows untill the laws are actually written/proposed?

 

[JimBowie1958]

if private or charter schools work so well using their own models of performance and head counts per class etc....
Then why not model public schools after private schools?

Being forced to comply with federali guidelines is the very source of the problem with our public schools.

Local school districts should be 100% controlled locally.

 

[saveliberty]

who pays for these vouchers? the tax payer who pays for local schools through their property tax?

or the federal govt with federal taxes?

Unfunded federal mandates are always a win....

 

[saveliberty]

And? Would you have still paid for them to go to THAT school if it was full of "voucher" kids and the classroom sizes were twice as large and the curriculum was dumbed down because the students couldn't get as much individual attention?

Try to avoid full retard. The point here is NOT to make private schools as bad as public ones. It is to improve the public ones.

 

[Care4all]

How do the kids get to these private schools? Do they have busing?

 

[Care4all]

who pays for these vouchers? the tax payer who pays for local schools through their property tax?

or the federal govt with federal taxes?

Unfunded federal mandates are always a win....

Why don't you just answer the question I asked instead of dancing around?

Who pays for these vouchers, the local tax payer or the federal government?

There is not a private or charter school within 40 miles from where I live.....

 

[Flopper]

Yes...the democrats will condemn minority kids to hell holes for schools.......and happily send their own kids to private schools...from the salaries we pay them....

Well, well, well........the fake indian princess sent her kids to private schools....

Senators Opposed Vouchers Backer DeVos, Send THEIR Kids To Posh Private School

Sen. Al Franken, a Democrat representing Minnesota who was once an unfunny comedian with bit parts on “Saturday Night Live,” has two children who attend The Dalton School in New York City — 1,018 miles from Minneapolis and 226 miles from Washington, D.C.

The cost of a single year of tuition for students in kindergarten through 12th grade at Dalton is $44,640. This amount, which represents slightly more than the average household income in the state of Alabama, is “among the lowest of our peer schools,” the posh Upper East Side school trumpets. On Friday, lunch at Dalton scrumptiously featured sustainable green tea salmon, anasazi bean salad, fresh organic papaya yogurt and a pasta bar with both marinara sauce and puttanesca sauce.

Dalton is most famous because its administration called off this year’s ice-skating party after a large group of parents refused to send their children to the Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park for political reasons. (RELATED: ‘Liberal Moms’ Make Fancypants Manhattan Prep School Cancel Ice Skating Party At Trump Rink)

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat representing Massachusetts, has a granddaughter who rubs shoulders with the children of movie stars at the trendy Harvard-Westlake School in Los Angeles, California. Tuition at Harvard-Westlake costs $35,900 each year. There’s also a $2,000 fee for new students.

Harvard-Westlake offers a bevy of amazing opportunities for students including study-abroad programs in Spain, France, China, Italy and India. There’s also the Mountain School, “an independent semester program that provides high school juniors the opportunity to live and work on an organic farm in rural Vermont.”

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a Democrat representing Rhode Island and himself a private boarding school product, has two children. His daughter attended the Wheeler School, a coed day school in Providence where a single year of tuition for sixth grade through 12th grade currently costs $35,215.

Sixth graders at Wheeler spend a segment of the school year romping around at a 120-acre farm owned by the school. The “unique, place-based experience” includes “vigorous scientific leaf studies” and “examinations of poetry, art, and mathematical models deepened through the context of” the school-owned farm.

Whitehouse, who has owned stock in a for-profit charter school company, also sent his son to a St. George’s School, a private boarding school in a gorgeous hamlet on the seaside.

Annual tuition at St. George’s is currently $39,900. Boarding students pay $58,000.

St. George’s offers a special program which allows students to sail around the world for several week on a 69-foot sailboat “traveling in a grand loop from Rhode Island across to the Azores and Spain, through the Mediterranean to Italy and Greece, back to the Canary Islands and Puerto Rico.”

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democrat representing New York and herself an alumna of the tony Emma Willard School, sends her two school-age children to Capitol Hill Day School, according to The Washington Post. Tuition at the private, progressive bastion currently runs $30,300.00 per year for sixth through eighth grades, $28,700.00 per year for first through fifth grades and $28,000.00 per year for preschoolers.

Instruction in French and Spanish begins in preschool at Capitol Hill Day School. Also, performing arts is a big deal. There are “operas based on children’s books,” for example, and the sixth graders put on a musical theater production.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat representing Connecticut, sent one of his four children to Brunswick School, a private, all-boys day school in Greenwich, according to the Connecticut Post. A year of high school tuition at Brunswick currently costs $40,450. Tuition for preschoolers costs $30,930 per year.

On Tuesday, grade school kids at Brunswick will enjoy a delicious lunch of barbecue antibiotic-free chicken sandwiches on Texas rolls.

Blumenthal sent another one of his kids to Greenwich Academy, an all-girls day school where high school tuition currently runs $41,890. A single year of prekindergarten at the private institution costs $37,470.

Tuesday’s lunch at Greenwich Academy includes potato leek soup, baked macaroni and cheese and braised red cabbage.

Sen. Maggie Hassan, a Democrat representing New Hampshire, has two children. Her daughter attended Phillips Exeter Academy, one of the most notable fancypants private schools in the United States. Hassan’s husband, Thomas, was the principal of Phillips Exeter at the time. The cost for a year of tuition and fees at Phillips Exeter is currently $37,875. Boarding students pay $48,550.

The lunch menu at Phillips Exeter features “authentic recipes from around the world” and “more than 5,000 recipes in regular rotation.” Dinner selections for boarders include “grilled steak tips, fettuccine alfredo, palak paneer or quinoa with nuts.” Also, all dining staffers — “from chefs to dishwashers” receive “training in food allergens.”

Sen. Bob Casey, a Democrat representing Pennsylvania, sent his daughters to Scranton Preparatory School, a private Jesuit school where a year of tuition costs $13,400. Casey is also an alumnus of Scranton Prep.

Every classroom at Scranton Prep offers cutting-edge technology and contains “the very latest in interactive instructional technology.” There’s also a very impressive 34,000-square-foot building dedicated to the arts and sciences which features “state-of-the-art science classrooms and laboratories as well as a magnificent theater that seats 875 people.”



Read more: Senators Opposed Vouchers Backer DeVos, Send THEIR Kids To Posh Private School

So??
Senators, unlike the Secretary of Education are not responsible for the administration of federal educational policies and programs in public schools.

 

[Lewdog]

And? Would you have still paid for them to go to THAT school if it was full of "voucher" kids and the classroom sizes were twice as large and the curriculum was dumbed down because the students couldn't get as much individual attention?

Try to avoid full retard. The point here is NOT to make private schools as bad as public ones. It is to improve the public ones.

How is this voucher program going to do anything to improve public schools?!!?

You want to improve public schools? Make it so that funding is dependent on reaching certain educational milestones. And I don't mean standardized test comparing one school to another, I literally mean some kind of system that measures improvement from one year to the next for students. So basically the concept that DeVos didn't understand. measure for growth and not proficiency, so that all the students can be judged on a level playing ground.

 

[saveliberty]

How do the kids get to these private schools? Do they have busing?

Probably piss off the chauffer...

Seriously, we had to arrange transportation. Usually we did it ourselves. It was an opportunity to see the staff daily. If we had been a couple of blocks closer, the kids would have walked. The public schools will bus a kid two blocks to school.

 

[saveliberty]

So??
Senators, unlike the Secretary of Education are not responsible for the administration federal educational policies and programs in public schools.

Relax Flopper no one expects you to understand ethics or hypocrisy over night. Congress is just responsible for creating substandard education through appropriations and lies to the public about caring for the education system.

 

[saveliberty]

who pays for these vouchers? the tax payer who pays for local schools through their property tax?

or the federal govt with federal taxes?

Unfunded federal mandates are always a win....

Why don't you just answer the question I asked instead of dancing around?

Who pays for these vouchers, the local tax payer or the federal government?

There is not a private or charter school within 40 miles from where I live.....

1. Because the answer is obvious and been in place for a long time. You have no reason to be uninformed.

2. Because you really are not interested in the answer or you would educate yourself.

3. I am trying to make up for the lack of education your received by allowing you to grow and figure it out yourself. No spoon feeding.

 

[saveliberty]

And? Would you have still paid for them to go to THAT school if it was full of "voucher" kids and the classroom sizes were twice as large and the curriculum was dumbed down because the students couldn't get as much individual attention?

Try to avoid full retard. The point here is NOT to make private schools as bad as public ones. It is to improve the public ones.

How is this voucher program going to do anything to improve public schools?!!?

You want to improve public schools? Make it so that funding is dependent on reaching certain educational milestones. And I don't mean standardized test comparing one school to another, I literally mean some kind of system that measures improvement from one year to the next for students. So basically the concept that DeVos didn't understand. measure for growth and not proficiency, so that all the students can be judged on a level playing ground.

I have supported vouchers?

I am fine with a three tiered system. Private for those you want to pay themselves and have more control. Charter for those who don't want to pay, but have students capable of meeting high standards. Then public schools can remain the dumping ground they have become.

 

[Lewdog]

And? Would you have still paid for them to go to THAT school if it was full of "voucher" kids and the classroom sizes were twice as large and the curriculum was dumbed down because the students couldn't get as much individual attention?

Try to avoid full retard. The point here is NOT to make private schools as bad as public ones. It is to improve the public ones.

How is this voucher program going to do anything to improve public schools?!!?

You want to improve public schools? Make it so that funding is dependent on reaching certain educational milestones. And I don't mean standardized test comparing one school to another, I literally mean some kind of system that measures improvement from one year to the next for students. So basically the concept that DeVos didn't understand. measure for growth and not proficiency, so that all the students can be judged on a level playing ground.

I have supported vouchers?

I am fine with a three tiered system. Private for those you want to pay themselves and have more control. Charter for those who don't want to pay, but have students capable of meeting high standards. Then public schools can remain the dumping ground they have become.

Vouchers is the main thing she wants. How can you support her without supporting vouchers? And how can you say she is going to do any better for public schools when Michigan's public school system has done so poorly? They ranked 34th in one report and got a C- grade in another.

 

[saveliberty]

Vouchers is the main thing she wants. How can you support her without supporting vouchers? And how can you say she is going to do any better for public schools when Michigan's public school system has done so poorly? They ranked 34th in one report and got a C- grade in another.

You want to list Michigan public schools DeVos was assisting? Blaming her is pretty funny.