This is the man Republicans call stupid and a fool????

[IcebergSlim]

Stop most of the taxing for the rich under Bush losing all that revenue.

Move millions of jobs to China under Bush losing all that revenue.

Close tens of thousands of factories under Bush losing all that revenue.

Then complain that Obama isn't bring in enough revenue.

Shit for brains nitwit doesn't get it.

Speaking of shit for brains, the President doesn't have the power to do any of the things you listed. If you understood how our government worked, you'd know that.

And if you paid attention to politics, you would also have realized the Republicans did increase taxes on the wealthy, on corporations, and on capital gains just like you Socialists wanted.

Nobody on the right complains about bringing in revenue, we complain about all the wasteful spending.

Then why do right wingers try to blame it all on Obama?

Because if DumBama doesn't sign off on Congresses budget, the government gets shut down. Because Republicans believe the MSM will blame them solely, they can't cut the budget anymore than they already are. Look at the chart again, when did most of his spending take place? That's right, under a Democrat led Congress.

That chart doesn't show spending...

It shows deficits. If there are deficits, there is spending.

Spending is entirely irrespective of surplus or deficit....

 

[IcebergSlim]

Republicans are always a disaster when it comes to economics and foreign policy, yet they'll whine and scream about how everyone else does it.

Reagan lets 282 marines die in Beirut in 1982 then he turns tail and runs home. G W Bush ignores North Korea and allows them to develop an atomic bomb which they first detonated in 2006. Now the world has a monster to deal with. Reagan tripled the national debt, Bush added 8 trillion to the national debt and handed Obama a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Obama took office which Obama has brought down every year he has been in office, even though he had no help from the Republicans in Congress.

Conservatives don't know economics and they don't know national defense. They are good at shutting down the government if they don't get their way though.

Like a group of school children.

Yeah, that sounds real good. But the deficit didn't start to go down until the Republicans gained leadership of Congress again. You know Congress........ the people in charge of spending????

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Are you assigning credit to the enablers of the Surplus Vaporizer?

You mean the same people that created the surplus? Yes I am.

Sure.....another fairy tale........check to see how much of the deficit resulting from Supply Side Idiocy, Part 1 was eliminated by the time Gingrich and Clinton came to agreement in 1997...

(Hint - rhymes with "more than 90%" )..

Then tell me what happened within a year of Bill leaving town....

 

[IcebergSlim]

Fine, the annual deficit under Obama has gone down, some 'credit' to the TP; however, what the TP solution does, is to simply kick ultimate needs down the road. To fail to fix what we allow to further rust / fall into disrepair or become obsolete, or take away what most citizens have worked do to their health crisis or injury or loss of a job is callous and foolish and simply gives to the wealthy and takes away from the needy.

Being penny wise and dollar foolish defines a fiscal conservative. Fiscal decisions must be rational, pragmatic, responsible and compassionate, something alien to the mind of a tea bagger.

First, learn the difference between debt and deficit. Second, learn who controls the spending in our government. Third, pay close attention to the leaders of Congress when deficits are reduced and who to credit for it.

Did you know that the budget process begins with a Request by the White House?

Do you know why Easy Al Greenspan described Ronald Reagan as "a reckless steward of the economy"?

Sure, the President does make a budget proposal, but that's all it is, a proposal. It doesn't mean Congress has to go along with all or any of it. Ultimately, it's the Congress that spends the money. Sure, the President can refuse to sign it and shut down the government, but that doesn't happen very often........ or at least often enough.

The POTUS determines fiscal policy.......Congress either facilitates (as in the case of Scrub's eager enablers) or it impedes (as we see with the current crop of fiscal saboteurs and traitorous scum squatting in the halls of the Senate and Congress)......

Any reason why you averting your eyes from the judgment of Alan Greenspan?

Greenspan gave an opinion but he is not God.

He had a front row seat through 4 administrations........you weren't even in the same zip code...

 

[IcebergSlim]

Cherry picking seems to be fair play, from your link:

Summary

Jobs, paychecks, corporate profits and stock prices have all improved since our last report on the Obama statistical record. Some highlights:

• The economy has now gained nearly five times more jobs under President Barack Obama than it did during the presidency of George W. Bush, and the unemployment rate has dropped to just below the historical average.
• Real weekly earnings are up 1.7 percent, thanks in part to a plunge in gasoline prices.
• Corporate profits have nearly tripled, and stock prices have soared.
• On the other hand, the number of Americans receiving food stamps remains 45 percent higher than when the president first took office, and the rate of home ownership has dropped by 3.2 percentage points, to the lowest point in nearly 20 years.
• The average premium for a benchmark “silver” health plan in the Obamacare marketplaces rose only 2 percent this year, and consumers had more plans from which to choose. But the tax penalty for going without insurance will double.

Fine, but we were discussing debt.

You think debt and deficit are unrelated?

Of course they are related but still two different subjects.

The former is the direct consequence of the latter.....this is a fact with which Recidivist Supply Side Voting Idiots constantly struggle...

We don't struggle with it at all. We understand who spends the money in this country. During the Bush years, Republicans were responsible for all of the spending. We got rid of that group. Now that we have a Republican Congress with a Democrat President, it's the Republicans that are in charge of the spending, but only if DumBama signs off on it.

Again.....the budget begins with a request from the WH.......

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Republicans are always a disaster when it comes to economics and foreign policy, yet they'll whine and scream about how everyone else does it.

Reagan lets 282 marines die in Beirut in 1982 then he turns tail and runs home. G W Bush ignores North Korea and allows them to develop an atomic bomb which they first detonated in 2006. Now the world has a monster to deal with. Reagan tripled the national debt, Bush added 8 trillion to the national debt and handed Obama a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Obama took office which Obama has brought down every year he has been in office, even though he had no help from the Republicans in Congress.

Conservatives don't know economics and they don't know national defense. They are good at shutting down the government if they don't get their way though.

Like a group of school children.

Yeah, that sounds real good. But the deficit didn't start to go down until the Republicans gained leadership of Congress again. You know Congress........ the people in charge of spending????

View attachment 60174

Are you assigning credit to the enablers of the Surplus Vaporizer?

You mean the same people that created the surplus? Yes I am.

Sure.....another fairy tale........check to see how much of the deficit resulting from Supply Side Idiocy, Part 1 was eliminated by the time Gingrich and Clinton came to agreement in 1997...

(Hint - rhymes with "more than 90%" )..

Then tell me what happened within a year of Bill leaving town....

They began to reduce the deficit within a few years of Republican leadership. Need the chart, just ask.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Speaking of shit for brains, the President doesn't have the power to do any of the things you listed. If you understood how our government worked, you'd know that.

And if you paid attention to politics, you would also have realized the Republicans did increase taxes on the wealthy, on corporations, and on capital gains just like you Socialists wanted.

Nobody on the right complains about bringing in revenue, we complain about all the wasteful spending.

Then why do right wingers try to blame it all on Obama?

Because if DumBama doesn't sign off on Congresses budget, the government gets shut down. Because Republicans believe the MSM will blame them solely, they can't cut the budget anymore than they already are. Look at the chart again, when did most of his spending take place? That's right, under a Democrat led Congress.

That chart doesn't show spending...

It shows deficits. If there are deficits, there is spending.

Spending is entirely irrespective of surplus or deficit....

Wrong, it's entirely spending that's the problem.

We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and always have. You don't file bankruptcy because you didn't bring in enough money, you file bankruptcy because you spent more than you brought home and couldn't repay what you spent.

 

[IcebergSlim]

Republicans are always a disaster when it comes to economics and foreign policy, yet they'll whine and scream about how everyone else does it.

Reagan lets 282 marines die in Beirut in 1982 then he turns tail and runs home. G W Bush ignores North Korea and allows them to develop an atomic bomb which they first detonated in 2006. Now the world has a monster to deal with. Reagan tripled the national debt, Bush added 8 trillion to the national debt and handed Obama a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit when Obama took office which Obama has brought down every year he has been in office, even though he had no help from the Republicans in Congress.

Conservatives don't know economics and they don't know national defense. They are good at shutting down the government if they don't get their way though.

Like a group of school children.

Yeah, that sounds real good. But the deficit didn't start to go down until the Republicans gained leadership of Congress again. You know Congress........ the people in charge of spending????

View attachment 60174

Are you assigning credit to the enablers of the Surplus Vaporizer?

You mean the same people that created the surplus? Yes I am.

Sure.....another fairy tale........check to see how much of the deficit resulting from Supply Side Idiocy, Part 1 was eliminated by the time Gingrich and Clinton came to agreement in 1997...

(Hint - rhymes with "more than 90%" )..

Then tell me what happened within a year of Bill leaving town....

They began to reduce the deficit within a few years of Republican leadership. Need the chart, just ask.

You didn't answer the question......even with a hint....

Then you neglected to address the consequences of Bill's departure...

Can't really blame you..

 

[IcebergSlim]

Then why do right wingers try to blame it all on Obama?

Because if DumBama doesn't sign off on Congresses budget, the government gets shut down. Because Republicans believe the MSM will blame them solely, they can't cut the budget anymore than they already are. Look at the chart again, when did most of his spending take place? That's right, under a Democrat led Congress.

That chart doesn't show spending...

It shows deficits. If there are deficits, there is spending.

Spending is entirely irrespective of surplus or deficit....

Wrong, it's entirely spending that's the problem.

We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem and always have. You don't file bankruptcy because you didn't bring in enough money, you file bankruptcy because you spent more than you brought home and couldn't repay what you spent.

This is a perfect illustration of why Recidivist Supply Side Voters should be prohibited from voting...

I have never cast a vote for a POTUS who bequeathed larger deficits to his successor than those he inherited...... Your record is the reverse....