thoughts on Franken

[eddiew37]

Meh, beside the religious angle let' look at what he did. A big nothing.

Franken fell on the sword too hard and shouldn' apologized and kept it moving. Looking for a fair investigation from Republicans is like jumping in the lion cage and hoping the tiger is friendly.

Really? Groping a sleeping woman when you know she isn't into you is a big nothing?

And what is there to investigate? She told her side. Showed the picture of him groping her. He admits it and has apologized. It's open and shut

What picture are you looking at? I must have missed it? I haven't read this whole thread yet or seen other pictures other than the one the news has been showing and the picture I saw, he did not grope her, he PRETENDED to grope her, for a photo op and made his goofy face.... it was disrespectful.... Him kissing her the way she ddescriped was more painful and hurtful to her....

He not only staged the photo BUT DISTRIBUTED IT!

How many times you supposed he got off knowing how many people were laughing at it.

Anyone defending his actions are sick and have a deep hatred of women.

While you defend child molestation

Who’s defending child molestation. I defend a citizens right to be innocent until proven guilty.

Yet you have yet to answer a very basic question I asked before.

Would you want your adult daughter in that photo with Franken?

NO but would you want your 14 year old dating that POS Moore?

 

[John Shaw]

The accusations are credible.

I disagree.

There are only two accusers really

1)The 14 year old

2) The Allred represented girl

Allreds client lied about not see him again. Also the refusal to let the yearbook signature be analyzed by a third party hurts credibility. And let's not forget that its completely weird to ask a 30 year old guy to sign your yearbook to begin with.

Which leaves the 14 yo. The womans story doesn't ring true. She meets Moore while waiting with her mom. Whereby her mom leaves her alone with Moore, a complete stranger, to go into a old custody hearing. Seriously?? He gets her phone number. Since when did 14 year old girls in 1970s rural Alabama have their own phone? And if a family phone, how do they talk without the parents knowing? How does he take her out without parental knowledge or permission? And why when he apparently asks parents permission with other girls?

Not to mention she admits she has credibility issues.

So yeah plenty of reasonable doubt.

Also, pedophiles generally don't ever stop molesting children, why did Moore suddenly stop if he is one?

Beverly did not necessarily lie, actually. Moore signed the withdrawal of divorce. Overwhelmingly likely that she never saw the man or even knew he was involved with that. Just a weird coincidence.

 

[Avatar4321]

Been watching this scandal Franken is in closely. He is, unfortunately, my Senator. When I moved to MN one of the first things I did was register to vote specifically to vote against his reelection. I find him to be a disgusting vile man.

So when the scandal broke i wasn't surprised. It's not like we were ignorant of what kind of man he was before he was elected.

What did surprise me was how fast he apologized. I've been wrestling with whether to support calling for him to resign. That surprises me too. When he apologized I was immediately impressed with the conversation Jesus had with Peter. "How oft should I forgive? Seventy times seven."

Forgiveness is an act of healing. It became clear that the Lord wanted me to forgive him. But I wrestled with what that means. Does that mean I shouldn't call for him to resign? I mean what he did was still horrendous.

Last night I happened to randomly be reading Luke 6. Jesus was exhorting his disciples to love their enemies. A point that struck me was when He mentions that the Father loves even the ungrateful and evil.

I also thought how our nation needs healing. I think we should forgive him. I think we should let him face whatever the Senate ethics panel deems appropriate.

Now I'm sure there will be many who say he will get away with this. Yeah, perhaps. But the world knows now. He can't hide that. I plan on voting against him next time still. Heck, I may run against him if I absolutely have to.

But i think right now, we need to heal. We need to be a people who will take the better path. We need to be filled with the same love God has and that means doing what He would do in this situation. If we can be a people who can love and forgive Franken, I have hope for this nation no matter who is in office.

Did you forgive Trump yet or do you still want him to resign?

I've never wanted trump to resign.

 

[Avatar4321]

Been watching this scandal Franken is in closely. He is, unfortunately, my Senator. When I moved to MN one of the first things I did was register to vote specifically to vote against his reelection. I find him to be a disgusting vile man.

So when the scandal broke i wasn't surprised. It's not like we were ignorant of what kind of man he was before he was elected.

What did surprise me was how fast he apologized.

My personal opinion he apologized so quickly because there was photographic evidence and he couldn't really deny it. That said, this decision is up to the people of Minnesota.

Gov of Minn is a Dem so he could appoint another dem if Franken steps down

Which means we are screwed either way

At least dems use ointment

Cause rape is fine if you use ointment right?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Really? Groping a sleeping woman when you know she isn't into you is a big nothing?

And what is there to investigate? She told her side. Showed the picture of him groping her. He admits it and has apologized. It's open and shut

Yeah taking a funny picture is groping. In fact he was looking right at the camera as a show that it was attempted rape! Not.

Yes it is open and shut he took a silly picture and she got more kiss than she expected. Big whoop.

So grabbing a woman's chest is alright if you do it as a joke?

Btw aren't jokes supposed to be funny?

He did not grab her chest.

You can’t stop lying, Christian.

Picture says otherwise.

But I guess since he is a Democrat sure going to pretend otherwise.

Typical

The pictures I saw his hands were not touching, almost but not.

That's because you aren't looking at the picture with republican eyes. The kind that can see a sexual assault in a funny picture or a crime at Benghazi but can' see the dowside to someone being a child rapist

 

[eddiew37]

Been watching this scandal Franken is in closely. He is, unfortunately, my Senator. When I moved to MN one of the first things I did was register to vote specifically to vote against his reelection. I find him to be a disgusting vile man.

So when the scandal broke i wasn't surprised. It's not like we were ignorant of what kind of man he was before he was elected.

What did surprise me was how fast he apologized.

My personal opinion he apologized so quickly because there was photographic evidence and he couldn't really deny it. That said, this decision is up to the people of Minnesota.

Gov of Minn is a Dem so he could appoint another dem if Franken steps down

Which means we are screwed either way

At least dems use ointment

Cause rape is fine if you use ointment right?

Better than the republican alternative

 

[JakeStarkey]

You can disagree all you want, Avatar4321, but so many in the GOP leadership say the accusations are credible.

I agree with them.

 

[Lilah]

So grabbing a woman's chest is alright if you do it as a joke?

Btw aren't jokes supposed to be funny?

He did not grab her chest.

You can’t stop lying, Christian.

Picture says otherwise.

But I guess since he is a Democrat sure going to pretend otherwise.

Typical

The pictures I saw his hands were not touching, almost but not.

Maybe after the fact he grabbed more than her tits. I mean he was only 55 years old.

This was just on tv, I guess sometime he forced kiss her and jammed his tongue down her throat.

It was a gag; pun intended.

 

[Care4all]

in case you didn't know, Cruz & Franken really hate each other

Ted Cruz confronts, spanks Democrats for double standard between Roy Moore and Al Franken responses

Are you crazy??? What double standard? Al Franken admitted he should not have done it, and he is willing to go under an ethics investigation and NO OTHER WOMEN so far has come forward that he harassed them, and the woman who was the victim said she forgave him and believed his apology was heart felt and real to the bone.....

Has roy Moore done any of that? Him and his wife have done nothing but call all of the 9 ladies with accusations as liars....

there is no comparison....Franken did what God asks of us....

Moore has not.

The Republican party of Alabama, have not, the governor of Alabama has not....

yet Republicans have the balls to call what Franken did was the same as Moore molesting a 14 year old when he was in his thirties and stalking teen age girls in high school when he was in his mid thirties.....

I'm sorry the two instances and the two different ways the accused have handled this situation spells out the difference between the Dems and the Repubs....and the Repubs defending this crap are on the WRONG SIDE, Beelzebub's!

 

[Papageorgio]

in case you didn't know, Cruz & Franken really hate each other

Ted Cruz confronts, spanks Democrats for double standard between Roy Moore and Al Franken responses

Are you crazy??? What double standard? Al Franken admitted he should not have done it, and he is willing to go under an ethics investigation and NO OTHER WOMEN so far has come forward that he harassed them, and the woman who was the victim said she forgave him and believed his apology was heart felt and real to the bone.....

Has roy Moore done any of that? Him and his wife have done nothing but call all of the 9 ladies with accusations as liars....

there is no comparison....Franken did what God asks of us....

Moore has not.

The Republican party of Alabama, have not, the governor of Alabama has not....

yet Republicans have the balls to call what Franken did was the same as Moore molesting a 14 year old when he was in his thirties and stalking teen age girls in high school when he was in his mid thirties.....

I'm sorry the two instances and the two different ways the accused have handled this situation spells out the difference between the Dems and the Repubs....and the Repubs defending this crap are on the WRONG SIDE, Beelzebub's!

Did Moore do as he was accused? I have no idea, if he is innocent then he has every right to defend himself.

The accusations against Moore are far worse. That said Franken is scum also, just a higher level of scum. To be honest, I don't understand why the woman came forward in the Franken issue.

 

[radical right]

Did Moore do as he was accused? I have no idea, if he is innocent then he has every right to defend himself..

Let's just go with what Moore has himself admitted. That as a middle aged man, he went out with teenage girls.

That alone is a HUGE red flag. Going out with girls 14, 16, 17 years old How do you defend that?

 

[eddiew37]

in case you didn't know, Cruz & Franken really hate each other

Ted Cruz confronts, spanks Democrats for double standard between Roy Moore and Al Franken responses

Are you crazy??? What double standard? Al Franken admitted he should not have done it, and he is willing to go under an ethics investigation and NO OTHER WOMEN so far has come forward that he harassed them, and the woman who was the victim said she forgave him and believed his apology was heart felt and real to the bone.....

Has roy Moore done any of that? Him and his wife have done nothing but call all of the 9 ladies with accusations as liars....

there is no comparison....Franken did what God asks of us....

Moore has not.

The Republican party of Alabama, have not, the governor of Alabama has not....

yet Republicans have the balls to call what Franken did was the same as Moore molesting a 14 year old when he was in his thirties and stalking teen age girls in high school when he was in his mid thirties.....

I'm sorry the two instances and the two different ways the accused have handled this situation spells out the difference between the Dems and the Repubs....and the Repubs defending this crap are on the WRONG SIDE, Beelzebub's!

And Cruz kissed the dirty ass of trump after trump lied about him and his father Yellow belly coward ,,A repub thru and thru

 

[MaryL]

Franken? What do you expect when you elect an comedian as representative? And deeper than that, the repressed sexuality of liberal males pretending to be "enlightened" or whatever it is they think gets them credibility with the masses. He is like Trump or Clinton.

 

[John Shaw]

Franken? What do you expect when you elect an comedian as representative? And deeper than that, the repressed sexuality of liberal males pretending to be "enlightened" or whatever it is they think gets them credibility with the masses. He is like Trump or Clinton.

I'm genuinely curious what you mean by "repressed sexuality of liberal males".

To be socially liberal generally means you believe people are free to pursue their individual sexual desires, so long as they aren't infringing on the well-being of others. That runs kind of contradictory to "repressed sexuality", I think, no?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Al Franken was a classless, low level, comic wannabe who was never really funny, just absurd. We tried to tell the voters what he was like. He never pretended to be anything but going for the diaper wearing laugh. They voted for him. Knowing all that, or at least being told, they voted for him and now the public wants to pretend to be surprised!

Nope.

They knew what they were getting all along.

 

[eddiew37]

Franken? What do you expect when you elect an comedian as representative? And deeper than that, the repressed sexuality of liberal males pretending to be "enlightened" or whatever it is they think gets them credibility with the masses. He is like Trump or Clinton.

What do you expect when you elect a pervert as president Rather a comic

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Did Moore do as he was accused? I have no idea, if he is innocent then he has every right to defend himself..

Let's just go with what Moore has himself admitted. That as a middle aged man, he went out with teenage girls.

That alone is a HUGE red flag. Going out with girls 14, 16, 17 years old How do you defend that?

There's nothing wrong with that. Is there a law against older men dating young women? No. It doesn't need to be defended.

 

[BulletProof]

Jesus said the Father loves even the ungrateful and evil doer. Was Jesus lying?

Jesus didn't lie, but you do lie. God hates evil-doers, Psalm 5:5. Jesus hated the Jews and so he called them children of the devil.

 

[John Shaw]

Did Moore do as he was accused? I have no idea, if he is innocent then he has every right to defend himself..

Let's just go with what Moore has himself admitted. That as a middle aged man, he went out with teenage girls.

That alone is a HUGE red flag. Going out with girls 14, 16, 17 years old How do you defend that?

There's nothing wrong with that. Is there a law against older men dating young women? No. It doesn't need to be defended.

A relatively powerful man in his thirties hooking up with high school girls? Sorry, but there's definitely something wrong with that, even if the law doesn't think so.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I want the INVESTIGATION TO START NOW so that the facts come out in the wash, complete with the EXIF data in the camera, just for starters, because that metadata has already revealed two very interesting issues:

1. Photo taken in 2006 but MODIFIED in 2009, on the very EVENING that Norm Coleman FINALLY conceded (after seven months of legal fighting) to allow Franken to take his Senate seat.

2. The picture was PHOTOSHOPPED....by WHOM??
Don't know, because the serial number and owner info of the software was ERASED, how very interesting!

The fact that Ms. Tweeden suddenly remembered how horrifying an experience working with Al Franken was – the fact that the already-disgraced Roger Stone tweeted that it was “Franken’s turn in the barrel” BEFORE Ms. Tweeden came forward with her accusations, the fact that whataboutism is the ONLY defense Republicans can come up with to dispute Roy Moore’s pedophilia is as obvious as it is despicable.

Senator Franken’s actions in terms of women’s rights speak for themselves.

Democrats are buying into that false equivalence being played by the Republicans – and they really should know better.
In the meantime, the Republicans are laughing their asses off at Democrats who think (wrongfully so) that if we “sacrifice” one of our own on the altar of tit-for-tat, we come across as “fair and balanced”.
I stand with Senator Franken on the basis of what he has done, and continues to do, to further the rights of American women, and his willingness to stand with us when it counts.

But you know what? I don't even harbor much ill will toward Leanne Tweeden.
Sure, she just got picked up by Sinclair, sure she contributes on Hannity, yeah yeah yeah I get it.
Sure, I believe she had misgivings about Al Franken, maybe she's even genuine about her beef.
But I actually think she just wanted to pipe up and say "me too" because she felt she had a story. THEN, Roger Stone and Bannon got wind of it and it's almost as if it's out of her hands now and she's not quite sure if she thinks it was a good idea after all, because a lot of it doesn't quite match up.

All I am saying is, although Al Franken is guilty of having acted a bit like a pig dog on one occasion, maybe two, he's not a serial abuser or predator, and we must retain the ability to judge unlike things and underscore the difference between a clumsy man move and outright sexual harassment.

Every grown man on Earth is probably guilty of making a move on a girl that might have been over the top. Most of us get a drink tossed in our face, or an elbow, or we get a kick in the balls or something, or at the very least, we get told "NO WAY" and we lick our wounds and move on.
Once in a while we can't comprehend the notion that we misjudged, or we're careless, but on the whole we're not intending to hurt anyone and we'd be sorry if that was the case.
Al is guilty of behaving like a pig that day? Yeah most likely.

That's not the same as being a serial predator any more than a single unpaid parking ticket would be the same as a DUI enhanced multiple vehicular homicide with felony police evasion during a high speed pursuit.

I can almost compare Ms. Tweeden's situation with the current slaughter taking place on the tax issue in Congress. Sure, Americans wanted their taxes reduced, and Republicans are only too happy to oblige and so Americans awoke this morning to find that the House passed their tax bill, so yippee, hooray...only a moment later Americans also found out that the same bill also eliminates the deductions for medical expenses and student loan interest.

Suddenly those same Americans feel like they've been duped, okey-doked by some weasels who silently inserted a knife in their gut when they weren't looking.

If we assume that Ms. Tweeden felt odd during the skit, and then later thought about it and was angry, that's fine, and I have no problem believing her complaint was valid. Suddenly the next morning she finds out that the entire Republican party, along with Mssrs. Stone and Bannon, are running with this as a full tilt political gambit to unseat a member of the Senate and she is their heroine and martyr, and the phone is ringing off the hook. She has to get an agent to handle the flood of calls and interview requests. She is being asked to press the issue and appear alongside people who want everything from the destruction of Al Franken to the exoneration of Roy Moore and everything in between.
Has Ms. Tweeden been asked for her opinion of Roy Moore yet?
Fair question, because I do not recall her offering one as yet, has she?

Is it possible that Ms. Tweeden, while harboring her own rather normal political ambitions, might just feel like she's been dragged head first into something she did not sign up for and something which she doesn't know how to extricate herself from without damaging her own career irrevocably?

And in the end, if there ARE any improprieties or false circumstances involved, I can guarantee you that they will all come out during an investigation.
That's both good and bad because more than likely Al Franken might just come out of it not only smelling like a rose, but the Republicans will have been made first class fools of by him in the process.
They can forget any future attempts to topple him via sexual innuendo if he ever decides to seek higher office, they will have shot their proverbial wad on this power play, and instead of getting the money shot, the door has swung open and it is THEY who are seated, prick in hand, firing salvos at the naked light bulb overhead (with thanks to Philip Roth)
But in the end that doesn't change the possibility that Ms. Tweeden's complaint might still have had some validity but none of that will matter anymore because in the scuffle, Ms. Tweeden will have become just another Republican casualty, a mere bit of collateral damage, another victim of standing too close to the rotational air output device while Roger Stone's fecal matter was being heaved ho.

And we will have made little or no progress in the most important issue of this whole messy affair, that of emphasizing the importance of respecting women's possession of their own body and their own dignity.
Because I guarantee you, for Republicans, that doesn't mean shee-it.
The only thing that matters to them is destroying Al Franken, and they will gladly sacrifice Leanne Tweeden in the process if they have to.

By the way, when did we start equating angrily pursuing a radio host on an argument that occurred on Bill Maher with "sexual harassment". Send me some more women who are accusing Al Franken of SEXUAL HARASSMENT and stop muddying the waters and changing the subject.
Melanie Morgan is not a sexual harassment victim of Al Franken.
Where are the legions of Franken acccusers?
Well? Where are they? Methinks the SELL BY DATE on that has passed, and Ms. Tweeden has already forgiven the man and does not wish to see him unseated.

Meanwhile way too many people feel that they have the right and the invitation to feel more offended than the actual victim.
You don't.

PS: You watch, in six months, a Rightie won't be able to GET VOTES unless he has a sexual harassment story in his past.
They will actually manage to FLIP the whole thing, bet me any amount of money:

"Why sure he sexually harassed some girls!"
"He's a real man"
"Not one of them LIBERAL faggots!"

You watch and see, I give it six months.
Having a sexual harassment history will become an actual Republican SELLING POINT for a candidate in the very near future...like 2018.