To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[francoHFW]

Democracy is restricting income? That doesn't sound like democracy, that sounds like dictatorship.

Um, no, if everyone votes that the rich shouldn't be uber rich anymore, that's democracy.

The main thing that protects the rich, is that most of us don't know how rich they really are.

the above chart shows what wealth distribution actually is, what people think it is (they are wrong) and what they think it should be.

While people are hardly voting for "communism", most people think that the bottom should have a fair share and the top shouldn't have so much.

Sure isn't what our founding fathers saw nor certainly made America the greatest country the world has ever seen. Why do you want that destroyed? Why do you want us to be transformed into China or Russia?

You do know that the GOP has been giving middle class money to the rich the last 35 years right, and that before Reagan when this country was actually great, the tax rates for the richest we're not 30 or 35% but 70 or 80 or 90%, And we invested in the country and in the middle class and it worked much better than this crap...

 

[beagle9]

Democracy is restricting income? That doesn't sound like democracy, that sounds like dictatorship.

Um, no, if everyone votes that the rich shouldn't be uber rich anymore, that's democracy.

The main thing that protects the rich, is that most of us don't know how rich they really are.

the above chart shows what wealth distribution actually is, what people think it is (they are wrong) and what they think it should be.

While people are hardly voting for "communism", most people think that the bottom should have a fair share and the top shouldn't have so much.

Sure isn't what our founding fathers saw nor certainly made America the greatest country the world has ever seen. Why do you want that destroyed? Why do you want us to be transformed into China or Russia?

You do know that the GOP has been giving middle class money to the rich the last 35 years right, and that before Reagan when this country was actually great, the tax rates for the richest we're not 30 or 35% but 70 or 80 or 90%, And we invested in the country and in the middle class and it worked much better than this crap...

. Problem today is if you took seventy % from the rich in a wealth redistribution scheme, and then you did with that money what the Demon-crats wanted you to do with it (buy elections), promote every kind of weirdness that there is, and then promote abortion, promote your anti-Christ activities, attack business and jobs, claim climate control in order to shift money from this nation to another in the form of saving the planet, climate theft, shut down free speech with it, and go on and on and on where as it just all keeps going and going... Good grief..

 

[francoHFW]

Democracy is restricting income? That doesn't sound like democracy, that sounds like dictatorship.

Um, no, if everyone votes that the rich shouldn't be uber rich anymore, that's democracy.

The main thing that protects the rich, is that most of us don't know how rich they really are.

the above chart shows what wealth distribution actually is, what people think it is (they are wrong) and what they think it should be.

While people are hardly voting for "communism", most people think that the bottom should have a fair share and the top shouldn't have so much.

Sure isn't what our founding fathers saw nor certainly made America the greatest country the world has ever seen. Why do you want that destroyed? Why do you want us to be transformed into China or Russia?

You do know that the GOP has been giving middle class money to the rich the last 35 years right, and that before Reagan when this country was actually great, the tax rates for the richest we're not 30 or 35% but 70 or 80 or 90%, And we invested in the country and in the middle class and it worked much better than this crap...

. Problem today is if you took seventy % from the rich in a wealth redistribution scheme, and then you did with that money what the Demon-crats wanted you to do with it (buy elections), promote every kind of weirdness that there is, and then promote abortion, promote your anti-Christ activities, attack business and jobs, claim climate control in order to shift money from this nation to another in the form of saving the planet, climate theft, shut down free speech with it, and go on and on and on where as it just all keeps going and going... Good grief..

Of course as a dupe you have no idea what Democrats want to do congratulations... Think invest in infrastructure and infrastructure jobs, training and education for millions of tech jobs now going begging, tax cuts for the non rich what a concept, Etc.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

and to think there was once a time when so many of us were begging for those $2.30 hr jobs flipping burgers! and now they want 15 ???

Plus you had to put some effort into getting one of those jobs. Unlike today, nobody was begging you to take it.

Back in the mid 70's, our suburb opened up it's first fast food place. It was a Burger King. Over 1,000 of us (mostly kids) stood in a line for hours under the hot sun to try and get a job there. There were only 12 openings or so, and they all paid minimum wage.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How about both plus the sanctuary cities?

What is the idea behind Sanctuary cities?

The idea is that the Democrat party became the anti-white party.

Democrats understand that every other group beyond whites vote a majority Democrat. The Jewish vote a majority Democrat, the Hispanics vote a majority Democrat, the middle-east people vote a majority Democrat, the Asians vote a majority Democrat, the blacks? Forget about it. 90+% vote for Democrats.

The goal is to make whites a minority for the first time in history. If Democrats can do that, then they can turn us into a one-party government forever once they get rid of us whites.

So they will do anything to achieve that goal including sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with the feds on removal of aliens. They want those people here criminal or not. It doesn't matter if they take jobs away from Americans, close down health facilities because they obviously don't have insurance, kill Americans for drugs or other reasons. The only thing the Democrats care about is making whites a minority for political power.

Minorities vote for the Democrats because the Republicans are full of racist and bigots, plus they Pander to the rich and screw the poor and the middle class now.

When I read (or hear that) I realize I'm trying to discuss politics with somebody that knows nothing about the subject. So let me fill you in on some truth here:

Minorities vote for Democrat for one reason and one reason only, and that is what Democrats promise to give them. They promise to take from others to give to their constituents. You support taking from others because like most Democrats, you are selfish and greedy. You can't produce for yourself so you support politicians that promise to take from others that do.

And don't give me this BS story that you are a businessman and retired teacher. Nobody with an advanced education writes like you. Your writings are comparable to a sixth grader. You repeat the same shit over and over again with every post; nothing new to offer.

The truth is like that, and of course I'm slumming with you brainwashed functional morons... By the way the United States has never been more unequal and unfair economically then it is now after 30 years of Reagan tax rates and policies. All the GOP has to offer to the non-rich is b******* propaganda and screw jobs, you incredible dingbats...

How about both plus the sanctuary cities?

What is the idea behind Sanctuary cities?

The idea is that the Democrat party became the anti-white party.

Democrats understand that every other group beyond whites vote a majority Democrat. The Jewish vote a majority Democrat, the Hispanics vote a majority Democrat, the middle-east people vote a majority Democrat, the Asians vote a majority Democrat, the blacks? Forget about it. 90+% vote for Democrats.

The goal is to make whites a minority for the first time in history. If Democrats can do that, then they can turn us into a one-party government forever once they get rid of us whites.

So they will do anything to achieve that goal including sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with the feds on removal of aliens. They want those people here criminal or not. It doesn't matter if they take jobs away from Americans, close down health facilities because they obviously don't have insurance, kill Americans for drugs or other reasons. The only thing the Democrats care about is making whites a minority for political power.

Minorities vote for the Democrats because the Republicans are full of racist and bigots, plus they Pander to the rich and screw the poor and the middle class now.

When I read (or hear that) I realize I'm trying to discuss politics with somebody that knows nothing about the subject. So let me fill you in on some truth here:

Minorities vote for Democrat for one reason and one reason only, and that is what Democrats promise to give them. They promise to take from others to give to their constituents. You support taking from others because like most Democrats, you are selfish and greedy. You can't produce for yourself so you support politicians that promise to take from others that do.

And don't give me this BS story that you are a businessman and retired teacher. Nobody with an advanced education writes like you. Your writings are comparable to a sixth grader. You repeat the same shit over and over again with every post; nothing new to offer.

And of course your believing that minorities are lazy Good for nothings is not racist at all, right?

You don't have to be a lazy good for nothing to get on the dole these days. You just assumed that (and put words in my mouth) because you're not racist......right????

 

[JoeB131]

Who is "YOU" in your statement of who will be responsible for increasing their salary ????? The government, who ??? This won't fly as there couldn't have been a Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg etc. if was the case. How many jobs has these cats created ?

You see, you are making the mistake of confusing a parasite for vital organ. Consumer demand creates jobs, not rich people. Therefore, if you really wanted prosperity as far as the eye can see, then you want working people to all make a living wage, not a few rich people hoarding all the wealth.

Again, after WWII, the rich paid a top rate of 93%, 33% of the workforce was unionized, and people lived pretty good lives. The minimum wage meant something because it was in fact a living wage.

And then the republicans fucked all that up.

 

[JoeB131]

How about both plus the sanctuary cities?

Nope. sanctuary cities aren't the problem. They are just adjusting to the reality that undocumented people are part of their community, and the cops have better things to do than hassle them.

Undocumented workers themselves aren't the problem.

The problem are rich people who don't want to pay an American a fair wage, and Americans who just don't want to do some jobs.

 

[JoeB131]

Good for you, every business has the right to raise their prices. No one has a right to tell you how to run your business, the same goes for any business.

Actually, there are whole bunch of rules that apply. I can't make promises that I can't keep. I have to actually deliver the services advertised at the prices states.

 

[JoeB131]

I can't imagine where we would be today if liberals were allowed to implement your leftist ideas. We would probably be on computers right now that were manufactured 20 years ago. We wouldn't have the internet, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to afford it. Our cell phones would probably be like the first ones where you had to carry around a car battery in order to make it work.

Guy, rich people didn't create any of those things. It was usually some poor schlub in an engineering department who had everything he created declared "intellectual property" of the rich people, then assembled by someone who got paid very little.

 

[Mac1958]

The fact remains that, in a capitalist system, there will always be people who have an innate, organic, natural capacity to create wealth better and more efficiently than others. That fact has nothing to do with politics. It has nothing to do with fairness. It just is.

That leaves the society living under that system, then, to make some decisions, one of the most important being whether it wants to use a libertarian approach to personal wealth - which will surely lead to both massive inequalities, absurd concentrations of wealth, social disruptions and an ultimate revolution of some kind - or to manage the system in such a way as to maintain the dynamics and incentives and innovations of capitalism without retarding them "too much" with "too many" restrictions.

In other words, finding the proper equilibrium is absolutely key to maintaining both prosperity and social stability.

We're not there. We're out of whack. Too few have too high a percentage of the wealth, and it's getting worse every day. It's screamingly obvious, and it's definitely going to lead to social and/or electoral revolts and wild knee-jerk regulatory responses if we don't wake up and face facts.

We are badly out of equilibrium, and we have to do something about it, before it's too late. It is what it is.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Just a question: is there anything you don't make about race?????

No, I just point out the obvious. This is a racist society, even in it's entitlement structure.

White People welfare you and your sort are fine with- Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance. this is the sort of middle class entitlement white people get, and while Paul Ryan masturbates to the thought of cutting them, most of you are just fine with it.

But when it comes to medicaid, SNAP, TANF, Section 8- then those are those lazy no-good sumbitches who are too lazy to get jobs, even though they often have jobs that don't pay well despite our society being as racist as it is.

There is no such thing as "the wealth" because wealth in this country is endless. Nobody is stopping you or anybody else from making more than they do.

Bullshit. So how come the guy who can't get health insurance isn't getting some of that endless wealth?

This is how the GOP gets stupid white people to vote for it. You might not have much, but you got more than the darkies, and that's important!

The idea is that the Democrat party became the anti-white party.

Democrats understand that every other group beyond whites vote a majority Democrat. The Jewish vote a majority Democrat, the Hispanics vote a majority Democrat, the middle-east people vote a majority Democrat, the Asians vote a majority Democrat, the blacks? Forget about it. 90+% vote for Democrats.

The goal is to make whites a minority for the first time in history. If Democrats can do that, then they can turn us into a one-party government forever once they get rid of us whites.

Sorry, you were complaining I made everything about race?

Hey, guy, if the majorities of those non-whites are voting Democratic, it was because 50 years ago, Tricky Dick made the decision to win elections by appealing to white fears, and all of his successors did the same.

So they will do anything to achieve that goal including sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate with the feds on removal of aliens. They want those people here criminal or not. It doesn't matter if they take jobs away from Americans, close down health facilities because they obviously don't have insurance, kill Americans for drugs or other reasons. The only thing the Democrats care about is making whites a minority for political power.

again, the people who bring illegals here are rich white people who don't want to pay other white people a fair wage.

Sanctuary cities just deal with the reality that cops have got better things to do than do the ICE's job for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Shouldn't a McDonald's employee who works his ass off make more money than a GM employee who stands there with a wrench tightening bolts for a living?

Actually, they should both make a living wage. But when I'm hurtling down a highway at 65 MPH in a chunk of metal that is powered by a flammable liquid, and there are a bunch of other vehicles that fall in the same category, I really and truly want the guy who tightened the bolts on it to be well paid and engaged in his job.

 

[JoeB131]

Minorities vote for Democrat for one reason and one reason only, and that is what Democrats promise to give them. They promise to take from others to give to their constituents. You support taking from others because like most Democrats, you are selfish and greedy. You can't produce for yourself so you support politicians that promise to take from others that do.

Um, guy, maybe if you put away the Klan robes and talked to minority folks, you'd realize most of them work, and they vote Democratic because the GOP has vilified them for the last 50 years.

And don't give me this BS story that you are a businessman and retired teacher. Nobody with an advanced education writes like you. Your writings are comparable to a sixth grader. You repeat the same shit over and over again with every post; nothing new to offer.

Actually, his writing is much better than yours.

 

[JoeB131]

Sure isn't what our founding fathers saw nor certainly made America the greatest country the world has ever seen. Why do you want that destroyed? Why do you want us to be transformed into China or Russia?

Well, what made us the greatest country the world has ever seen is not because of the Founding Slave Rapists.

What made us the greatest country was progressives like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, LBJ, MLK, and a lot of other fighting to make sure the people who did the work got a fair shake.

Sadly, the Republicans have been trying to destroy that since Nixon and Reagan... and they've largely succeeded, which is why China IS eating our lunch right now.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Every other modern country in the world has a living wage free healthcare free daycare 1 month or more paid vacation, paid parental leave, the rich paying their fair share. The only thing the GOP has going for it is it's huge propaganda machine and ignorant brainwashed functional morons like you... It is amazing what a big lie can do. Thanks for ruining the middle class and our infrastructure the last 35 years, the stupidest Wars ever, Wrecking the Middle East, a corrupt World depression, and obstructing all the usual Solutions 4 8 years under Obama. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

So feel free to move to any or every other country and stop your fucking whining.

And quite frankly I don't give a flying or any other kind of fuck what the GOP does so you can stop whining about them too.

I'm not going anywhere a******... Only Republicans the silly Dupes believe that is some kind of argument brainwashed functional morons... You don't care about the GOP? You just repeat all of their talking points and stupid insults and vote for them no doubt what

Until we pass laws governing CEO compensation like most of the European countries have.

Oh, wait. How dare we exercise democracy.

Democracy is restricting income? That doesn't sound like democracy, that sounds like dictatorship.

Democracy is doing what the voters want, dingbat. And no we're not talking about texting people like you more just the richest. But nice Pavlov dog reaction, dupe.

Because we need investments in the middle class and the country...

and now you are talking to yourself.

You better go find one of those foreign countries you love so much that has the best socialized mental health care you can find

Jesus you ignorant GOP dupes are so stupid LOL. We only want to improve our beautiful country that you morons have been destroying for 35 years. All to save the rich from paying their fair share, super dupes.

I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I belong to no political party and subscribe to no doctrine but my own.

And the top 10% of earners pay more income tax than the bottom 90% combined so I really don't know what you are whining about.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Never gonna happen, nor should it.

If you want a job where your pay is controlled by the government then get a government job.

Or maybe we can decide what every job is worth and tell everyone how much they can make. Let's see what you get for cutting and pasting resumes then.

I would probably get a lot more for them... IN fact, I'm probably going to up my pricing next year.

But to the point, maybe we need government to regulate pay more given all the bad actors out there.

Here's what I'd like to see.

"Wage Transparency" - If you get a job at a buyer at XYZ corp, they have to disclose what they are paying every other buyer there.

CEO's can no longer be paid in stock options, or any other bullshit. They get a salary. If they do well, then you increase his salary.

Replace the minimum wage with a living wage.

If you want people to vote for the worth of your cut and paste service you will get what it's worth. Nothing.

And why does a private corporation have to disclose the salary of any employee to the the public?

If you don't like the wage structure of a company then don't work for that company.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So the fuck what?

It's none of your business what any business pays their employees.

Every other modern country in the world has a living wage free healthcare free daycare 1 month or more paid vacation, paid parental leave, the rich paying their fair share. The only thing the GOP has going for it is it's huge propaganda machine and ignorant brainwashed functional morons like you... It is amazing what a big lie can do. Thanks for ruining the middle class and our infrastructure the last 35 years, the stupidest Wars ever, Wrecking the Middle East, a corrupt World depression, and obstructing all the usual Solutions 4 8 years under Obama. Great job, brainwashed functional moron.

So feel free to move to any or every other country and stop your fucking whining.

And quite frankly I don't give a flying or any other kind of fuck what the GOP does so you can stop whining about them too.

I'm not going anywhere a******... Only Republicans the silly Dupes believe that is some kind of argument brainwashed functional morons... You don't care about the GOP? You just repeat all of their talking points and stupid insults and vote for them no doubt what

Not the way it works.

it's none of your business what a CEO gets paid unless you own the company.

Until we pass laws governing CEO compensation like most of the European countries have.

Oh, wait. How dare we exercise democracy.

Democracy is restricting income? That doesn't sound like democracy, that sounds like dictatorship.

Democracy is doing what the voters want, dingbat. And no we're not talking about texting people like you more just the richest. But nice Pavlov dog reaction, dupe.

You are so fucking miserable because you a fucking failure that you covet other people's money. You're so fucking pathetic that you constantly whine about how fucking good it is in all these other countries but you don't have the balls to move there and get what you perceive to be a better life than you have here.

I am a retired teacher and businessman and very happy, except when I look at the suffering and inequality in this country because of the GOP and its idiots like you... Take a look around and have some sympathy read something and stop being such a fool

Like I said the one that pays no income tax wants other to pay more.

And if you're happy then we better change the definition. All you do is whine, bitch and moan.

And we really don't have much suffering in this country. You need to get out of your little bubble and see the rest of the world.

 

[Skull Pilot]

. Huh ?? Yet all it takes here is to cross that southern border, get to a sanctuary City, and then quickly find that indentured servitude job that your inside contact set up for you, otherwise where as it is expected of you (an illegal) to work like a dog for little of nothing, and have no protections, and then if complain get sent packing to be replaced by the next perceived slave or cheap laborer from across that border ??

That sounds like a good reason to go after the companies that hire illegals... not the illegals themselves.

Go after both.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep, it's just Grand for the country that CEOs get paid two three four hundred times as much as average workers now when the number was 40 times when Reagan started. The only way to stop that is to have higher tax rates on the richest like before Reagan. Also it's the only way to have money to invest in tech training and cheaper education for the many jobs that go begging because America is getting dumber and dumber as the GOP makes it more and more difficult and expensive to get that training as well as money for infrastructure which is falling apart and hurting business.

Your comment shows you know nothing about wealthy people or the economy. What do you suppose the rich do when Uncle Sam comes to take their money away--open their wallets and bank accounts freely?

And why is it you socialists are so hung-up on CEO's? Let me ask: what do you think a star actresses hair stylist or make-up person makes compared to her? What do you suppose the guy selling popcorn at the stadium makes compared to the starting pitcher at a baseball game? What do you think a roady makes compared to the guitarist in a famous band? Bet you never boycotted or complained about any of those people.

I sure as hell do... Anybody making millions and millions of dollars is not being taxed enough... I am also totally against the price of tickets for all of the above these days.

And for all of you dupes who believed that the rich are paying too much, here are the actual rates that people are paying, basically all between 18 + 29%, with the rich getting basically all the new wealth while everyone else goes to hell along with the country.

The one tax graph you really need to know - The Washington Post
Washington Post › wonk › 2012/09/19
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Sep 19, 2012 · But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't ...

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

Then get rid of all states and bring everything under federal jurisdiction. Or move to a low tax state. Or better yet get the fuck out of the US. We'll all be happier that way

Republican Vice hateful stupid talking points, brainwashed functional moron read something

The top 1% of earners pay almost half of all federal income taxes.

And you being one of the 45% who pays no federal income tax whine that other people aren't taxed enough.

Typical dimwit sheep

Yes we know you are brainwashed and only can think in terms of federal income taxes, are only progressive tax and now less than payroll taxes. If you don't count all taxes you are a brainwashed functional moron. Talk about sheep LOL

For 35 years the GOP has been cutting federal taxes and what happens is state and local taxes go up to make up for that. Not to mention fees and surcharges which kill the non rich, super dupe.

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest, super dupe.

And you are an expert on the tax structure of all states and understand all the differences huh? I suppose you can quote all state and local taxes for all 50 states and tell me how they effect every income bracket in every state.

If you don't like the taxes in your state then fucking move to a state with lower taxes. Or get rid of all the states and have every tax be a federal tax.

If you don't like living here, and you obviously don't considering how much of a fucking whiner you are, the get the fuck out and be happy in any of the foreign countries you love so much

I love living here and I wouldn't live anywhere else, stupid brainwashed functional moron. Plus by the way you have to be a millionaire or a doctor to do it. LOL I inherited a bar in Spain and couldn't do a thing with it. You can't work in foreign countries. unless you're a doctor or are sent there by your corporation.

. Huh ?? Yet all it takes here is to cross that southern border, get to a sanctuary City, and then quickly find that indentured servitude job that your inside contact set up for you, otherwise where as it is expected of you (an illegal) to work like a dog for little of nothing, and have no protections, and then if complain get sent packing to be replaced by the next perceived slave or cheap laborer from across that border ??

Thanks to the GOP dupe who absolutely refuse the only solution there is, a social security ID card that cannot be faked, like was in the 2010 Democratic immigration bill. The GOP loves the cheap easily bullied labor force, and you are a brainwashed functional moron hater bigot.

So you whine about state taxes, you whine about federal taxes and you whine that other countries are so much better to live in but you really don't want to do anything about it but take more money from other people.

Talk about being a mindless democrat sheep.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Can you post without personally attacking someone? You are violating the Zone 2 TOS.

I have not personally attacking you, dupe I am attacking your politics and the fact that you believe a gigantic pile of crap. I live in a county where there are more cows than people and voted 73% for Trump. I love these people except for their incredibly stupid politics. it is not their fault it is the fault of the amazing gigantic GOP propaganda machine. Most of my friends are dupes and super dupes. We don't spend a lot of time talking about LOL

Calling me a dupe is a personal attack. That you hang around with people you think are dupes and super dupes is your business not mine. Thank you.

No, that is a political attack. A personal attack is what the dupes on here call Democrats... Like faget, unemployed gay stupid, on welfare etc etc. I always call you people brainwashed functional idiots morons stupid Etc. I know you're not stupid and I don't assume that you are on welfare or anything else like most GOP voters do our here... Because they are brainwashed...

So calling someone a dupe is political? You are so full of it.

So if I called you an idiot, which to me is the same as dupe, then that is a political attack? Lol!

If you really believe that then I think you yourself are one. Unreal logic!

An idiot is someone who is stupid whose brain doesn't work right. I say no such thing when I call you a Dupe
Look it up. They ought to change the name of your party to the Greedy Billionaire and Dope Party. You're not stupid or idiotic, you're just not paying attention or the victim of a brilliant gigantic propaganda machine. Get it yet?

Yes you are an idiot.