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I think it is all to easy to say someone who disagrees with your position has been "bought" or is a lemming, or an Obamabot, or a Nazi, ....
It's much easier than looking at what they are proposing and offering critiques, improvements and/or alternatives.
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat - I've probably voted for more Republicans in my life than Democrats but right now, I think my views line up more closely with Blue Dogs than with any other factions - but I still have areas of disagreement even with them.
I think it is all to easy to say someone who disagrees with your position has been "bought" or is a lemming, or an Obamabot, or a Nazi, ....
It's much easier than looking at what they are proposing and offering critiques, improvements and/or alternatives.
I'm not a Republican or a Democrat - I've probably voted for more Republicans in my life than Democrats but right now, I think my views line up more closely with Blue Dogs than with any other factions - but I still have areas of disagreement even with them.
I agree with this statement, it is an easy accusation to make, but to me, the circumstantial evidence is pretty damning. Others may have their own opinions.
Be that as it may, I am willing to hear them out, but not when they say that they will "not accept a public option" which would make this entire legislation pointless.
The Silent Majority is awakening - and no longer remaining so silent.
All politicians - Democrat and Republican alike, best realize the playing field is undergoing considerably changes...
no, you are the stupid one
it was a NEWS event
so the NEWS covered it
WOW you really are retarded aren't you? They didn't merely COVER the event they became PART of the event. The event actually adjusted their schedule to suit hannity's program and hannity brought an entertainer to help draw in more of a crowd with a free performance.
This is an excellent point, and even more so, FoxNews PROMOTED the event by telling people over and over again where to get information and when it was happening.
I seriously don't know how it can be spelled out any better so that you can understand.
You're talking about one event out of how many tea parties?
Public option Socialism the same thing STATIST
I would be very angry if I was attempting to ask a question and wanted to hear my representatives answer, and some group of people were yelling over me.
I don't think they are winning very many friends or influencing very many people with these tactics anyway. As you say, people generally don't like to be shouted down and being treated rudely.
If THAT is your political strategy - I think you're gonna lose.
I think the real issue here is that you have a bunch of elitests pissed that commoners are daring to question what they are doing. Remember Harry Reid talking about how he could "smell" the tourists.. and we're surpised they think we're all a bunch of idiots?
Fuck 'em all.
I would be very angry if I was attempting to ask a question and wanted to hear my representatives answer, and some group of people were yelling over me.
I don't think they are winning very many friends or influencing very many people with these tactics anyway. As you say, people generally don't like to be shouted down and being treated rudely.
If THAT is your political strategy - I think you're gonna lose.
The ones that are gonna lose are the ones who aren't going to get to have their town hall meeting where they should have the right to voice their opinion.
But instead, the dems are running away and cancelling their commitments so that they don't have to face opposition. It's easier to call outspoken American's "unruley mobs" than it is to be honest with them and give straight forward answers.
It does when you use coercion to force your neighbor to pay for your do-goodery.Public option Socialism the same thing STATIST
Yes, of course. Providing medical insurance for poor people obviously makes one a Socialist.
Yes, of course. Providing medical insurance for poor people obviously makes one a Socialist.
Not to mention a Communist on par with Stalin, right?
Of course not, but (two varying degrees), government provided health care is socialist by it's very description). Just because some people have "communistic" or "fascist" type solutions for the countries ills doesn't nessecitate they (the person) are of either persuation. It also doesn't alter the fact that those same ideas aren't what they truely are, communitic or facist in nature.
Now your catching on
It does when you use coercion to force you neighbor to pay for you do-goodery.
See, now the above statement is almost OK. It describes how public health care is a form of redistribution of wealth, like socialism, but then you follow it with:
Also, authoritarian socialists despots are world renowned for cowering behind the poor, elderly, infirm and the holy cheeeelllldrrreeeennnn as political props for their authoritarian cram downs
Which just goes right back to the whole Hyperbole thing.
You see you people are slightly right, public health care is socialist in nature. There's no denying that. Of course, so is Medicare, Social Security, and the VA.
But then you always go too far and try to associate it with totalitarianism, or facism. That's when people stop listening, because it's obvious at that point that your crazy.
You see, people hate Nazi Germany and the USSR, right? But they don't hate them for "socialism".
They hate it because they:
1. invaded other countries,
2. had single autocratic non-democratic governments,
3. inundated their country with horrible propaganda,
4. curtailed the free speech rights of their citizens,
5. spied on their citizens turning neighbor against neighbor, and
6. imprisoned or killed lots of innocent people.
Democrats may be a bit socialist, but they don't do or plan to do any of the above.
On the other hand, under the Bush administation practiced every one of the above except point 2.
It does when you use coercion to force you neighbor to pay for you do-goodery.
See, now the above statement is almost OK. It describes how public health care is a form of redistribution of wealth, like socialism, but then you follow it with:
Also, authoritarian socialists despots are world renowned for cowering behind the poor, elderly, infirm and the holy cheeeelllldrrreeeennnn as political props for their authoritarian cram downs
Which just goes right back to the whole Hyperbole thing.
You see you people are slightly right, public health care is socialist in nature. There's no denying that. Of course, so is Medicare, Social Security, and the VA.
But then you always go too far and try to associate it with totalitarianism, or facism. That's when people stop listening, because it's obvious at that point that your crazy.
You see, people hate Nazi Germany and the USSR, right? But they don't hate them for "socialism".
They hate it because they:
1. invaded other countries,
2. had single autocratic non-democratic governments,
3. inundated their country with horrible propaganda,
4. curtailed the free speech rights of their citizens,
5. spied on their citizens turning neighbor against neighbor, and
6. imprisoned or killed lots of innocent people.
Democrats may be a bit socialist, but they don't do or plan to do any of the above.
On the other hand, under the Bush administation practiced every one of the above except point 2.
You have got to be kidding right? You don't remember the Japeneese Concentration Camps that Roosevelt ordered opened here in the US in ww2 or the nuclear bombs that killed thousands of innocent people that we dropped on Japan? Let me think was it a Republican or Democrat who ordered that, DEMOCRAT.
