Trade Wars - just getting started

[Harpy Eagle]

Insult leaders & then run begging for help with NK.

Yep, that is so brilliant.

Containing a rogue state with nuclear weapons should be something they are anxious to do, if they are responsible, serious people.


That they need to be "Begged" to help, is on them.


They should be lining up to help despite their personal feelings about our current leader.

NK is not threatening everyone.

Buy I love it how you agree that Trump's actions are ridiculous & make it more difficult. Finally some of you assholes are becoming more honest.

Say what?

You are becoming worse then old rocks on here



What are you a cock holder?

What the fuck bitch ?

Why are you responding to yourself?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There is so much wrong with the OP, it's hard to know where to start. We've been in a "trade war" for years, but we are only now starting to fight back. And now that we're fighting back, of course the globalists are sounding the alarm bells and issuing all kinds of phony warnings about the dire consequences of America doing the same thing that many nations have been doing for years, i.e., protecting their own industries and jobs.

Mexico has been robbing us blind in trade for years, thanks to NAFTA. The Mexican government deserves to be insulted, given their arrogant, entitled attitude. How many countries get to get rid of their many of their least-skilled workers and criminals by sending them to live in another country?

So-called "free traders" either don't know or ignore the fact that America thrived for nearly a century under a strongly protectionist trade policy. Abe Lincoln was an ardent protectionist. So were Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, and Howard Taft.

This will come as a shock to many of you conservative luddites, but the world is a vastly different place that it was during the days of Lincoln and Grant and Taft.

When Taft was POTUS my son could not logon to the internet, order clothes directly from China and be wearing them in less than 2 weeks.

What worked back in the days of Lincoln will not necessarily work now.

So, what changed that means that trade that leads to less jobs here and more jobs there, does not fuck US?

Nope, it does not fuck us. It means that we adapt and evolve.

 

[Correll]

There is so much wrong with the OP, it's hard to know where to start. We've been in a "trade war" for years, but we are only now starting to fight back. And now that we're fighting back, of course the globalists are sounding the alarm bells and issuing all kinds of phony warnings about the dire consequences of America doing the same thing that many nations have been doing for years, i.e., protecting their own industries and jobs.

Mexico has been robbing us blind in trade for years, thanks to NAFTA. The Mexican government deserves to be insulted, given their arrogant, entitled attitude. How many countries get to get rid of their many of their least-skilled workers and criminals by sending them to live in another country?

So-called "free traders" either don't know or ignore the fact that America thrived for nearly a century under a strongly protectionist trade policy. Abe Lincoln was an ardent protectionist. So were Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, and Howard Taft.

This will come as a shock to many of you conservative luddites, but the world is a vastly different place that it was during the days of Lincoln and Grant and Taft.

When Taft was POTUS my son could not logon to the internet, order clothes directly from China and be wearing them in less than 2 weeks.

What worked back in the days of Lincoln will not necessarily work now.

So, what changed that means that trade that leads to less jobs here and more jobs there, does not fuck US?

Nope, it does not fuck us. It means that we adapt and evolve.

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.




This policy has failed.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

 

[Correll]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

Wages doesn't explain why the EU has a large trade surplus with US.

Germany has an nice large trade surplus and they have twice the level of manufacturing employment we have, so automation doesn't seem to be a job killer on that side of the Atlantic.


And regardless, the point is,


what was supposed to happen, did not happen.


The policy has failed.


Time to adapt and change to that reality.

 

[charwin95]

There is so much wrong with the OP, it's hard to know where to start. We've been in a "trade war" for years, but we are only now starting to fight back. And now that we're fighting back, of course the globalists are sounding the alarm bells and issuing all kinds of phony warnings about the dire consequences of America doing the same thing that many nations have been doing for years, i.e., protecting their own industries and jobs.

Mexico has been robbing us blind in trade for years, thanks to NAFTA. The Mexican government deserves to be insulted, given their arrogant, entitled attitude. How many countries get to get rid of their many of their least-skilled workers and criminals by sending them to live in another country?

So-called "free traders" either don't know or ignore the fact that America thrived for nearly a century under a strongly protectionist trade policy. Abe Lincoln was an ardent protectionist. So were Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, and Howard Taft.

Nah!
This is the problem when people like you listening too much of Trump ignorance. Trump is always trying to say we are the losers just to make a point. In reality US is and was always been great.

If countries are raping us then explain. Why the economy is booming benefiting from NAFTA and other countries with trade relationships?
Sure they made money from us but we also made money. Look at very low unemployment, business is good etc etc etc.
US is the biggest consumers of majority of most or all of products including illegal drugs. So the trade deficits will always be there.

 

[Correll]

There is so much wrong with the OP, it's hard to know where to start. We've been in a "trade war" for years, but we are only now starting to fight back. And now that we're fighting back, of course the globalists are sounding the alarm bells and issuing all kinds of phony warnings about the dire consequences of America doing the same thing that many nations have been doing for years, i.e., protecting their own industries and jobs.

Mexico has been robbing us blind in trade for years, thanks to NAFTA. The Mexican government deserves to be insulted, given their arrogant, entitled attitude. How many countries get to get rid of their many of their least-skilled workers and criminals by sending them to live in another country?

So-called "free traders" either don't know or ignore the fact that America thrived for nearly a century under a strongly protectionist trade policy. Abe Lincoln was an ardent protectionist. So were Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore Roosevelt, and Howard Taft.

Nah!
This is the problem when people like you listening too much of Trump ignorance. Trump is always trying to say we are the losers just to make a point. In reality US is and was always been great.

If countries are raping us then explain. Why the economy is booming benefiting from NAFTA and other countries with trade relationships?
Sure they made money from us but we also made money. Look at very low unemployment, business is good etc etc etc.
US is the biggest consumers of majority of most or all of products including illegal drugs. So the trade deficits will always be there.

The economy is doing well, despite the fact that the working poor and the middle class are being lefty behind.


You remember all the talk about "income inequality"?


Did you ever even thing about wtf it meant?

 

[charwin95]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.
?

Like WHO? In reality Trump insulted lots of foreign leaders including close allies. That’s a fact.

 

[charwin95]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.


And Trump is willing to have trade agreements, just ones that don't fuck US.


So, why is this on Trump and not on them?

1) Trump insulted them

2) Reporting on stupid shit Trump does is not insulting him. It is reporting what he says & does.

3) These trade deals are not "fucking" us.

1. They started it.

2. Yes it is. And most of it is utter bullshit.

3. THose trade deals are totally fucking US.

1. Wrong again dude.
2. Wring again dude. It’s a fact.
3. Wrong again dude. Give an example why you think they are fucking us?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

Wages doesn't explain why the EU has a large trade surplus with US.

Germany has an nice large trade surplus and they have twice the level of manufacturing employment we have, so automation doesn't seem to be a job killer on that side of the Atlantic.


And regardless, the point is,


what was supposed to happen, did not happen.


The policy has failed.


Time to adapt and change to that reality.

There is no policy that failed, there are just the realities of the world we live in today as opposed to the time of Lincoln.

As the saying goes, you cannot put the genie back in the bottle


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[charwin95]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.


And Trump is willing to have trade agreements, just ones that don't fuck US.


So, why is this on Trump and not on them?

1) Trump insulted them

2) Reporting on stupid shit Trump does is not insulting him. It is reporting what he says & does.

3) These trade deals are not "fucking" us.

Who gives a fuck If Trump insults them?


I insult lefties that are fools on here on a daily basis

It makes a big difference Bear. Just because you are tough key board commando talking tough here doesn’t represent the reality except in a bar or in the the forest.

In Trump case insulting other people or countries only shows he is ignorant, not a leader, incompetent, arrogant, bully etc etc wtc.

 

[Correll]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.


And Trump is willing to have trade agreements, just ones that don't fuck US.


So, why is this on Trump and not on them?

1) Trump insulted them

2) Reporting on stupid shit Trump does is not insulting him. It is reporting what he says & does.

3) These trade deals are not "fucking" us.

1. They started it.

2. Yes it is. And most of it is utter bullshit.

3. THose trade deals are totally fucking US.

1. Wrong again dude.
2. Wring again dude. It’s a fact.
3. Wrong again dude. Give an example why you think they are fucking us?

1. Those assholes were badmouthing Trump when he was still just a candidate focused on his primary opponents. They started it.


2. Stating something over and over again, no matter how well you project certainty, does not make it a fact. The majority of the claims are bullshit.


3. An example? The massive human cost of the Rust Belt.

 

[Correll]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

Wages doesn't explain why the EU has a large trade surplus with US.

Germany has an nice large trade surplus and they have twice the level of manufacturing employment we have, so automation doesn't seem to be a job killer on that side of the Atlantic.


And regardless, the point is,


what was supposed to happen, did not happen.


The policy has failed.


Time to adapt and change to that reality.

There is no policy that failed, there are just the realities of the world we live in today as opposed to the time of Lincoln.

As the saying goes, you cannot put the genie back in the bottle


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Free Trade, or should I say, "Free Trade" is a policy.


Certain claims were made about how it would benefit US in the long run.


Those claims have not been borne out.


A policy that does not deliver the promised benefits is a failed policy.



Stating over and over again that "times have changed " is not an argument.

 

[Correll]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.
?

Like WHO? In reality Trump insulted lots of foreign leaders including close allies. That’s a fact.

They insulted him. That's a fact.


Is it only a problem when we do it? Is it cool when other people insult US?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.
....s.

These people have been insulting our leader.


And Trump is willing to have trade agreements, just ones that don't fuck US.


So, why is this on Trump and not on them?

1) Trump insulted them

2) Reporting on stupid shit Trump does is not insulting him. It is reporting what he says & does.

3) These trade deals are not "fucking" us.

Who gives a fuck If Trump insults them?


I insult lefties that are fools on here on a daily basis

It makes a big difference Bear. Just because you are tough key board commando talking tough here doesn’t represent the reality except in a bar or in the the forest.

In Trump case insulting other people or countries only shows he is ignorant, not a leader, incompetent, arrogant, bully etc etc wtc.

Correct, because when good leaders are attacked first, they sit there and take it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who pays these tariffs, US consumers.

Yes, just like who pays the minimum wage increases. You weren't so concerned about the American consumer then.

Don't confuse them ray..they may start thinking

When have you people ever had an original thought.

Here is an example. Trump starts slapping on tariffs. What will other countries do?

a) Nothing
b) Return the favor.

Trump cuts corporate income tax. The other counties will:

a) do nothing
b) cut their tax rate
c Consider the cuts as subsidies 7 slap on tariffs

Consider the cuts as subsidies

Across the board tax cuts aren't subsidies.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

Wages doesn't explain why the EU has a large trade surplus with US.

Germany has an nice large trade surplus and they have twice the level of manufacturing employment we have, so automation doesn't seem to be a job killer on that side of the Atlantic.


And regardless, the point is,


what was supposed to happen, did not happen.


The policy has failed.


Time to adapt and change to that reality.

There is no policy that failed, there are just the realities of the world we live in today as opposed to the time of Lincoln.

As the saying goes, you cannot put the genie back in the bottle


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Free Trade, or should I say, "Free Trade" is a policy.


Certain claims were made about how it would benefit US in the long run.


Those claims have not been borne out.


A policy that does not deliver the promised benefits is a failed policy.



Stating over and over again that "times have changed " is not an argument.

More of a philosophy than a policy. And while the free trade might have hurt some sectors, it has helped others.

It is hard to make the argument that free trade has not benefited the US when we are in the midst of the 3rd longest period of economic expansion since the great depression.

 

[Correll]

That was the line sold to US back in the 80s.


Competition was supposed to force US manufacturers to become more competitive.


Workers would quickly retrain for the new high tech jobs.



That did not happen.


Our trade deficits grow every year.

Our wages have stagnated.


Whole communities are dying.


.

That is what happens when people/places fail to adapt and change.

US manufacturers could never become more competitive as the wages they had to pay were never going to allow them to. The only way to become more competitive was through technology and automation, which again does not help much when it comes to jobs.

Wages doesn't explain why the EU has a large trade surplus with US.

Germany has an nice large trade surplus and they have twice the level of manufacturing employment we have, so automation doesn't seem to be a job killer on that side of the Atlantic.


And regardless, the point is,


what was supposed to happen, did not happen.


The policy has failed.


Time to adapt and change to that reality.

There is no policy that failed, there are just the realities of the world we live in today as opposed to the time of Lincoln.

As the saying goes, you cannot put the genie back in the bottle


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Free Trade, or should I say, "Free Trade" is a policy.


Certain claims were made about how it would benefit US in the long run.


Those claims have not been borne out.


A policy that does not deliver the promised benefits is a failed policy.



Stating over and over again that "times have changed " is not an argument.

More of a philosophy than a policy. And while the free trade might have hurt some sectors, it has helped others.

It is hard to make the argument that free trade has not benefited the US when we are in the midst of the 3rd longest period of economic expansion since the great depression.

We've been ignoring, if not maliciously slandering those sectors it hurt for decades now, and the human cost and damage to the fabric of American society has been great and growing.


I want more and better jobs and wages for the working poor and middle class in this country.


ASAP.

 

[Deno]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.

Then you slap tariffs on products.

What will happen when other countries call the Trump tax cut on corporations a government subsidy & use it to slap tariffs on US goods.

These decisions Trump makes have consequences. Consequence he either ignores or is too stupid to know?

Slapping that tariff on solar panels might help the US panel manufacturers but it makes solar energy more expensive & the industry expects to lose tens of thousands of jobs. Of course, making solar more expensive helps the fossil fuel industry (Trump's buddies) while increasing our greenhouse gas emissions.

Who pays these tariffs, US consumers.

It’s Armageddon…..

We are all “go-na” Die…………..


You would Think these liberals with

All of Their Chicken Little Predictions

Would Realize Just How Stupid They Look…………………….

Just ask paul krugman

The effects of Global Warming are already happening.

Science says we will be in trouble.

You believe Trump. Just how stupid do you look? No. Just how stipid you ARE.

And you are proud of being this stupiud.

You own Stupid.....

You are so Stupid you can't even spell Stupid.

You spelled it stupiud...

Now that is Stupid...

 

[RealDave]

It starts with the rhetoric. Then it goes to the demands.

Then you pull out of trade agreements like TPP & soon NAFTA.

You then call our best trading partners, Canada & Mexico, names & insult their leaders.

Then you slap tariffs on products.

What will happen when other countries call the Trump tax cut on corporations a government subsidy & use it to slap tariffs on US goods.

These decisions Trump makes have consequences. Consequence he either ignores or is too stupid to know?

Slapping that tariff on solar panels might help the US panel manufacturers but it makes solar energy more expensive & the industry expects to lose tens of thousands of jobs. Of course, making solar more expensive helps the fossil fuel industry (Trump's buddies) while increasing our greenhouse gas emissions.

Who pays these tariffs, US consumers.

It’s Armageddon…..

We are all “go-na” Die…………..


You would Think these liberals with

All of Their Chicken Little Predictions

Would Realize Just How Stupid They Look…………………….

Just ask paul krugman

The effects of Global Warming are already happening.

Science says we will be in trouble.

You believe Trump. Just how stupid do you look? No. Just how stipid you ARE.

And you are proud of being this stupiud.

You own Stupid.....

You are so Stupid you can't even spell Stupid.

You spelled it stupiud...

Now that is Stupid...

It is a typo. Deal with it.