True or false: any personal freedom that brings harm to society in general should...

[M14 Shooter]

The courts decide these matters via a set of standards,
strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, rational basis review...
Strict scrutiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so like they did with citizens united right? glad you agree

The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right specifically protected by the constitution; anyone who tells you that strict scrutiny does not apply to, and is not the proper standard of scrutiny for, the right to arms is a liar.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Don't go all TDM on us.

Are you going to blame him because you didn't read (or chose to ignore) his post that proved that claim wrong?

And it's his fault for calling you on it?

Seriously?

That's the "debate" you bring to the table?

Carby's stupid post proved nothing of the sort.

Where can I buy myself a truckload of this "society" thingy you guys are yammering about?

Is it bigger than a bread box?

What in the hell are you talking about?

The exchange:

"Quote: Originally Posted by Katzndogz : The government can't fine you. The homeowner voluntarily enters into an association where they agree in advance what color to paint their house. This has nothing to do with the government. If you don't like it, don't buy your house there."

NY Carbineer: "You simply cannot refrain from being the least intelligent poster on this forum can you? Why is that?

Changing Colors: Purple House Owner Decides To Comply With Lubbock City Ordinance - KCBD NewsChannel 11 Lubbock

There's one of many examples.

Tell me how many examples you would need to admit you're an idiot and I'll see if I can accommodate you."

Is what I am reffering to.
What in the hell are you talking about? bread boxes?

Man, don't try to dive into the middle of someone else's conversation if you don't know what the conversation is about.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The courts decide these matters via a set of standards,

strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, rational basis review...


Strict scrutiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so like they did with citizens united right? glad you agree

Would you like to buy an upper case letter?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Don't go all TDM on us.

Are you going to blame him because you didn't read (or chose to ignore) his post that proved that claim wrong?

And it's his fault for calling you on it?

Seriously?

That's the "debate" you bring to the table?

Oh hell, now you're going all TDM too. Is it something in the water today?

Yeah, your crap runneth over

 

[Spoonman]

The courts decide these matters via a set of standards,

strict scrutiny, intermediate scrutiny, rational basis review...


Strict scrutiny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so like they did with citizens united right? glad you agree

Would you like to buy an upper case letter?

so you agree

 

[Oddball]

I'm indulging myself with a day of impatience with you foolish people.

The only fool here is you, fool.

Ah, once again we are treated with an outburst by the delegation from Fake Libertarianstan.

Whatever, junior.

Care to quantify this "society" thingy for the class, Mr. Wisenheimer?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

...be outlawed.

True.

Define your terms.

What is society?
How is it harmed by personal liberty?

 

[there4eyeM]

Controlling seeds could easily be a response to Monsanto's efforts to take over certain markets. GMOs are resisted in Europe, and they may want to halt an injury to society inflicted by a corporation. Here we have a (legal) person doing harm to others for self aggrandizement and naturally being surveyed. It looks like repression of individuals who want to use their own seeds, but it is in the interests of the individuals and their collective social context to maintain biodiversity.

Could start to get complex, eh?

 

[whitehall]

Are you nuts? Every single personal freedom could "bring harm to society". That's how fascists are able to shut down freedom.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The individual has no obligation to society.

 

[JakeStarkey]

An individual does have reciprocal obligations to his fellow wo/man and to the community in which he lives.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

There's a difference if some ordinance or rule is instated in a private community or whether something is declared off limits for the "good of all". There is no inherent harm in you choice of house color. But some may prefer a particular palette. Those people can, and do, for communities where they make a rule that dictates what color(s) you can paint your house. No one is forced to live in such a community, it is an individual choice. In the case of government sanctioned seeds or plants, that's pretty much politically driven by big money companies that want to capture a market and are using the government they purchased to force everyone else to comply.

 

[hjmick]

False.

 

[PratchettFan]

The individual has no obligation to society.

That is nonsense. Your entire life is built upon the shoulders of those who came before you. The words you type here are products of your society. The machine you type them on are a product of your society. Without society you are almost certainly dead. You are part of it, take advantage of it, suck off its teat, and it is not free.

 

[hortysir]

...be outlawed.

True.

Yes




You should be

 

[Two Thumbs]

...be outlawed.

True.

Gotta love an honest liberal.

Comes right out in the open and says he's against freedom.

And probably half the Constitution.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The individual has no obligation to society.

That is nonsense. Your entire life is built upon the shoulders of those who came before you. The words you type here are products of your society. The machine you type them on are a product of your society. Without society you are almost certainly dead. You are part of it, take advantage of it, suck off its teat, and it is not free.

The nonsense here is that you are giving society credit for the work of individuals.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

There's a difference if some ordinance or rule is instated in a private community or whether something is declared off limits for the "good of all". There is no inherent harm in you choice of house color. But some may prefer a particular palette. Those people can, and do, for communities where they make a rule that dictates what color(s) you can paint your house. No one is forced to live in such a community, it is an individual choice. In the case of government sanctioned seeds or plants, that's pretty much politically driven by big money companies that want to capture a market and are using the government they purchased to force everyone else to comply.

I posted the story showing that it was in fact, as an example, a city government ordinance in Lubbock, Texas.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The individual has no obligation to society.

That is nonsense. Your entire life is built upon the shoulders of those who came before you. The words you type here are products of your society. The machine you type them on are a product of your society. Without society you are almost certainly dead. You are part of it, take advantage of it, suck off its teat, and it is not free.

The nonsense here is that you are giving society credit for the work of individuals.

We are a social animal by nature. The natural basic social unit of human beings is not the individual, rarely even is it the single family. It is the group.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The only fool here is you, fool.

Ah, once again we are treated with an outburst by the delegation from Fake Libertarianstan.

Whatever, junior.

Care to quantify this "society" thingy for the class, Mr. Wisenheimer?

I did. Man by nature is a social animal. By nature man lives in groups, which are societies.

Our groups are very complicated at this level of advancement but still, rarely do we see any humans functioning independent of any association with their 'society'.