Trump campaign DID collude with Russia

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keep dreaming, trumptard.

"no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections." - Barrack Obama October 18, 2016

Then Putin does....to elect his "BOY"

What an amateur. Ok boy, here’s some facts for you.


U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons in a deal that he insisted would also include compromising material on President Trump, according to American and European intelligence officials.

The cash, delivered in a suitcase to a Berlin hotel room in September, was intended as the first installment of a $1 million payout, according to American officials, the Russian and communications reviewed by The New York Times.

Instead of providing the hacking tools, the Russian produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving Mr. Trump and others, including bank records, emails and purported Russian intelligence data.

SOURCE:
U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

In the middle of Mueller’s onvestigation, his “sources” network of spies got SCREWED on a bad deal with the Russians. All this was to provide proof certain Americans were colluding with the Russians to effect an election. How awesome is that?

If that’s not collusion, but there’s more:


Hacked Emails Expose Hacks

Acordijg to Reuters, the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community do not embrace a CIA assessment that Russian cyber-attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election. While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations, it does not endorse their assessment because there is a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.


The position of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), which oversees the seventeen agency-strong U.S. intelligence communities, gives Trump an informed position to dispute the CIA assessment.


Former Army Intel Officer Rejects Hack Theory: CIA’s Brennan Playing ‘Info Warfare’ retired Army intelligence officer dismissed the theory that the Russians hacked the election in favor of Donald Trump, instead putting forth his own theory—CIA Director John Brennan is playing political games.

Retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer stated that in his opinion Brennan is trying to undermine the president-elect out of deference to his old boss, President Barack Obama.

SOURCE:
Hacked Emails Expose Hacks


Wouo this really be the first time Democrats worked with the Russians?


Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?

Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

SOURCE:
Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?


Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan

Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."

Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.

Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.

Hammer was a longtime Soviet-phile, and he explained to the Soviet ambassador that Carter was "clearly alarmed" at the prospect of losing to Reagan.

Hammer pleaded with the Russians for help. He asked if the Kremlin could expand Jewish emigration to bolster Carter's standing in the polls.

SOURCE: FrontPage Magazine - Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan
Since you apparently wont defend Trump...
good-good-let-the-whataboutism-flow-through-you.jpg

I believe I’ve just proven all the Russian collusion has taken place with Democrats, including with respect towards Trump What the hell are you talking about?

You didn't prove anything except that you're seriously deluded.
 
[QUOTE="JimH52, post: 19558777, member: 6882"So....the Russian investigation makes Whitewater look like child's play.
There was an actual CRIME in Whitewater.
There was actual EVIDENCE in Whitewater.
There was actually convictions based on that evidence.
Mueller has none.
You have none.

He is surrounding the orange clown...

Keep the faith.[/QUOTE]
Keep the DELUSION is more like it. :p
 
I knew it would be too complex a thought for you.

And I STILL elevated the level of complexity.

Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.

Yeah, it was close. Yippee skippee. You are arbitrarily choosing one group of people and assigning to them a special status, when in reality it was the totality of the voters in those states that made the difference and defeated Hillary. Think of it. It was ALL those voters, young, old, black, white, Hispanic, gun owners, gun haters, voters who voted and those who refused to vote that all combined to deny Hillary her throne.

Good job everyone.

Special status? :laugh2:

You missed the point. Go figure.
 
And I STILL elevated the level of complexity.

Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.

Yeah, it was close. Yippee skippee. You are arbitrarily choosing one group of people and assigning to them a special status, when in reality it was the totality of the voters in those states that made the difference and defeated Hillary. Think of it. It was ALL those voters, young, old, black, white, Hispanic, gun owners, gun haters, voters who voted and those who refused to vote that all combined to deny Hillary her throne.

Good job everyone.

Special status? :laugh2:

You missed the point. Go figure.

No, the point is, you're pretending there is a small group of deluded voters for whom you can blame Hillary's defeat. In fact, it is the totality of voters who, combined, denied her the throne. Your petty need to spew vitriol is pointless.
 
"no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections." - Barrack Obama October 18, 2016

Then Putin does....to elect his "BOY"

What an amateur. Ok boy, here’s some facts for you.


U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons in a deal that he insisted would also include compromising material on President Trump, according to American and European intelligence officials.

The cash, delivered in a suitcase to a Berlin hotel room in September, was intended as the first installment of a $1 million payout, according to American officials, the Russian and communications reviewed by The New York Times.

Instead of providing the hacking tools, the Russian produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving Mr. Trump and others, including bank records, emails and purported Russian intelligence data.

SOURCE:
U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

In the middle of Mueller’s onvestigation, his “sources” network of spies got SCREWED on a bad deal with the Russians. All this was to provide proof certain Americans were colluding with the Russians to effect an election. How awesome is that?

If that’s not collusion, but there’s more:


Hacked Emails Expose Hacks

Acordijg to Reuters, the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community do not embrace a CIA assessment that Russian cyber-attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election. While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations, it does not endorse their assessment because there is a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.


The position of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), which oversees the seventeen agency-strong U.S. intelligence communities, gives Trump an informed position to dispute the CIA assessment.


Former Army Intel Officer Rejects Hack Theory: CIA’s Brennan Playing ‘Info Warfare’ retired Army intelligence officer dismissed the theory that the Russians hacked the election in favor of Donald Trump, instead putting forth his own theory—CIA Director John Brennan is playing political games.

Retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer stated that in his opinion Brennan is trying to undermine the president-elect out of deference to his old boss, President Barack Obama.

SOURCE:
Hacked Emails Expose Hacks


Wouo this really be the first time Democrats worked with the Russians?


Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?

Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

SOURCE:
Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?


Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan

Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."

Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.

Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.

Hammer was a longtime Soviet-phile, and he explained to the Soviet ambassador that Carter was "clearly alarmed" at the prospect of losing to Reagan.

Hammer pleaded with the Russians for help. He asked if the Kremlin could expand Jewish emigration to bolster Carter's standing in the polls.

SOURCE: FrontPage Magazine - Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan
Since you apparently wont defend Trump...
good-good-let-the-whataboutism-flow-through-you.jpg

I believe I’ve just proven all the Russian collusion has taken place with Democrats, including with respect towards Trump What the hell are you talking about?

You didn't prove anything except that you're seriously deluded.


Obviously you still have trouble providing links to back up your statements. Provide some evidence of where my prior post was inaccurate. I’ve seen your kind before, you are all talk but when called out on it your replies show you to be rather short on substance.
 
Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.

Yeah, it was close. Yippee skippee. You are arbitrarily choosing one group of people and assigning to them a special status, when in reality it was the totality of the voters in those states that made the difference and defeated Hillary. Think of it. It was ALL those voters, young, old, black, white, Hispanic, gun owners, gun haters, voters who voted and those who refused to vote that all combined to deny Hillary her throne.

Good job everyone.

Special status? :laugh2:

You missed the point. Go figure.

No, the point is, you're pretending there is a small group of deluded voters for whom you can blame Hillary's defeat. In fact, it is the totality of voters who, combined, denied her the throne. Your petty need to spew vitriol is pointless.

It's not vitriol. It's fact.
 
Then Putin does....to elect his "BOY"

What an amateur. Ok boy, here’s some facts for you.


U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons in a deal that he insisted would also include compromising material on President Trump, according to American and European intelligence officials.

The cash, delivered in a suitcase to a Berlin hotel room in September, was intended as the first installment of a $1 million payout, according to American officials, the Russian and communications reviewed by The New York Times.

Instead of providing the hacking tools, the Russian produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving Mr. Trump and others, including bank records, emails and purported Russian intelligence data.

SOURCE:
U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

In the middle of Mueller’s onvestigation, his “sources” network of spies got SCREWED on a bad deal with the Russians. All this was to provide proof certain Americans were colluding with the Russians to effect an election. How awesome is that?

If that’s not collusion, but there’s more:


Hacked Emails Expose Hacks

Acordijg to Reuters, the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community do not embrace a CIA assessment that Russian cyber-attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election. While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations, it does not endorse their assessment because there is a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.


The position of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), which oversees the seventeen agency-strong U.S. intelligence communities, gives Trump an informed position to dispute the CIA assessment.


Former Army Intel Officer Rejects Hack Theory: CIA’s Brennan Playing ‘Info Warfare’ retired Army intelligence officer dismissed the theory that the Russians hacked the election in favor of Donald Trump, instead putting forth his own theory—CIA Director John Brennan is playing political games.

Retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer stated that in his opinion Brennan is trying to undermine the president-elect out of deference to his old boss, President Barack Obama.

SOURCE:
Hacked Emails Expose Hacks


Wouo this really be the first time Democrats worked with the Russians?


Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?

Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

SOURCE:
Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?


Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan

Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."

Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.

Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.

Hammer was a longtime Soviet-phile, and he explained to the Soviet ambassador that Carter was "clearly alarmed" at the prospect of losing to Reagan.

Hammer pleaded with the Russians for help. He asked if the Kremlin could expand Jewish emigration to bolster Carter's standing in the polls.

SOURCE: FrontPage Magazine - Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan
Since you apparently wont defend Trump...
good-good-let-the-whataboutism-flow-through-you.jpg

I believe I’ve just proven all the Russian collusion has taken place with Democrats, including with respect towards Trump What the hell are you talking about?

You didn't prove anything except that you're seriously deluded.


Obviously you still have trouble providing links to back up your statements. Provide some evidence of where my prior post was inaccurate. I’ve seen your kind before, you are all talk but when called out on it your replies show you to be rather short on substance.

It's the standard conspiracy. There's nothing to back up.
 
Putin wanted trump....

Please, finally, put up the undeniable evidence to support this claim....

...or do us all a favor and STFU.

1 years is the statue limitation for 'Sore-Loser, Butt-Hurt, Hate-Driven , Election Result Denial'....Your time is up.

1 years? Statue? Yeah, you're a Trumper alright.
For you, since you are an extra special butt-hurt loser, we will make an exception. You can have an extra 3 months to piss and moan before you need to finally accept the outcome of the 2016 election....

:p
Are you sure? Because I just saw a pigeon shit on a statue of limitations. It happens every 1 years. LOL
 
What an amateur. Ok boy, here’s some facts for you.


U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

BERLIN — After months of secret negotiations, a shadowy Russian bilked American spies out of $100,000 last year, promising to deliver stolen National Security Agency cyberweapons in a deal that he insisted would also include compromising material on President Trump, according to American and European intelligence officials.

The cash, delivered in a suitcase to a Berlin hotel room in September, was intended as the first installment of a $1 million payout, according to American officials, the Russian and communications reviewed by The New York Times.

Instead of providing the hacking tools, the Russian produced unverified and possibly fabricated information involving Mr. Trump and others, including bank records, emails and purported Russian intelligence data.

SOURCE:
U.S. Spies, Seeking to Retrieve Cyberweapons, Paid Russian Peddling Trump Secrets

In the middle of Mueller’s onvestigation, his “sources” network of spies got SCREWED on a bad deal with the Russians. All this was to provide proof certain Americans were colluding with the Russians to effect an election. How awesome is that?

If that’s not collusion, but there’s more:


Hacked Emails Expose Hacks

Acordijg to Reuters, the leaders of the U.S. intelligence community do not embrace a CIA assessment that Russian cyber-attacks were aimed at helping Republican President-elect Donald Trump win the 2016 election. While the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) does not dispute the CIA’s analysis of Russian hacking operations, it does not endorse their assessment because there is a lack of conclusive evidence that Moscow intended to boost Trump over Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.


The position of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), which oversees the seventeen agency-strong U.S. intelligence communities, gives Trump an informed position to dispute the CIA assessment.


Former Army Intel Officer Rejects Hack Theory: CIA’s Brennan Playing ‘Info Warfare’ retired Army intelligence officer dismissed the theory that the Russians hacked the election in favor of Donald Trump, instead putting forth his own theory—CIA Director John Brennan is playing political games.

Retired Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer stated that in his opinion Brennan is trying to undermine the president-elect out of deference to his old boss, President Barack Obama.

SOURCE:
Hacked Emails Expose Hacks


Wouo this really be the first time Democrats worked with the Russians?


Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?

Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

"On 9-10 May of this year," the May 14 memorandum explained, "Sen. Edward Kennedy's close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow." (Tunney was Kennedy's law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) "The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov."

Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

SOURCE:
Remember when Ted Kennedy asked the Russians to 'interfere'?


Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan

Carter expressed his concern about and opposition to Reagan's defense buildup. He boldly told Dobrynin that Moscow would be better off with someone else in the White House. If Reagan won, he warned, "There would not be a single agreement on arms control, especially on nuclear arms, as long as Reagan remained in power."

Using the Russians to influence the presidential election was nothing new for Carter.

Schweizer reveals Russian documents that show that in the waning days of the 1980 campaign, the Carter White House dispatched businessman Armand Hammer to the Soviet Embassy.

Hammer was a longtime Soviet-phile, and he explained to the Soviet ambassador that Carter was "clearly alarmed" at the prospect of losing to Reagan.

Hammer pleaded with the Russians for help. He asked if the Kremlin could expand Jewish emigration to bolster Carter's standing in the polls.

SOURCE: FrontPage Magazine - Carter, Democrats Asked Soviets to Stop Reagan
Since you apparently wont defend Trump...
good-good-let-the-whataboutism-flow-through-you.jpg

I believe I’ve just proven all the Russian collusion has taken place with Democrats, including with respect towards Trump What the hell are you talking about?

You didn't prove anything except that you're seriously deluded.


Obviously you still have trouble providing links to back up your statements. Provide some evidence of where my prior post was inaccurate. I’ve seen your kind before, you are all talk but when called out on it your replies show you to be rather short on substance.

It's the standard conspiracy. There's nothing to back up.

trump has hired the King of Conspiracy Theories. He is a FIX news regular who is preaching every conspiracy he can think up.

Remember this guy was one of the people who swore OJ was innocent. He came up a lot if different scenarios where someone else committed the double murder. He is a lunatic....
 
Putin wanted trump....

Please, finally, put up the undeniable evidence to support this claim....

...or do us all a favor and STFU.

1 years is the statue limitation for 'Sore-Loser, Butt-Hurt, Hate-Driven , Election Result Denial'....Your time is up.

Clinton was investigated for five years...4 more to go for Putin's Boy...

Clinton would not have been investigated for 5 years OR impeached if his Attorney General, Janet Reno, had not asked Starr to expand his investigation

So....the Russian investigation makes Whitewater look like child's play.

Unless the jolly orange dictator fires Mueller....the Criminal in Chief will go down.

Dowd has resigned and Joe Digenova is obviously winning in the WH. Remember him? He was a conspiracy theorist from way back. He also was an OJ Simpson supporter.

Now he has another criminal to defend....he is going from black to orange....

This just in. HR McMaster is out and John Fuckin' Bolton is in. Bolton. Heaven help us all. All the normal adults are almost gone (Kelly) and Trump has a sandbox all to himself. Now, the hyper-madness begins.
 
Clinton was investigated for five years...4 more to go for Putin's Boy...

There was a crime that warranted an investigation...there was never one proven regarding Trump warranting a witch Hunt.
Investigations of the Clintons, like with Whitewater, resulted in the imprisonment of just about everyone BUT the Clintons, who - as usual - were protected.

Evidence shows the only reason Hillary is not in jail today is because of Barry, Holder, Lynch, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, etc...


So AGAIN put up the undeniable evidence to support your claim....

...or do us all a favor and STFU.

Really? What Whitewater crime was found? Go ahead....let the world know....cause we all must have slept through that indictmenr...
 
Bolton. A bigger Hawk we've never seen. He makes every other neocon look like a dove. War anyone? This is gettin' serious folks.
 
Bolton. A bigger Hawk we've never seen. He makes every other neocon look like a dove. War anyone? This is gettin' serious folks.

Everyone says at least we are not in war....well this guy will bring the worst out in a man who cannot control his impulses...
 
McMaser was a field commander who has seen war first hand and knows the futility and the horror of it. And his replacement is a non military neocon who has no such experience and will be in Trump's ear about Iran, N Korea and anyone else he can dream up for the kids of working folks to fight and die. He reminds me very much of Cheney. This is not good at all.
 
Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.

Yeah, it was close. Yippee skippee. You are arbitrarily choosing one group of people and assigning to them a special status, when in reality it was the totality of the voters in those states that made the difference and defeated Hillary. Think of it. It was ALL those voters, young, old, black, white, Hispanic, gun owners, gun haters, voters who voted and those who refused to vote that all combined to deny Hillary her throne.

Good job everyone.

Special status? :laugh2:

You missed the point. Go figure.

No, the point is, you're pretending there is a small group of deluded voters for whom you can blame Hillary's defeat. In fact, it is the totality of voters who, combined, denied her the throne. Your petty need to spew vitriol is pointless.

It's not vitriol. It's fact.

No, it's not. There are thousands of democrat voters who refused to vote for Hillary, yet you can't blame them? And yes, it's vitriol.
 
Well, them combined with millions of very smart people who also voted for him.

I knew it would be too complex a thought for you.

And I STILL elevated the level of complexity.

Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.
It was the 80k democrats that refused to vote for HIllary.
 
It's being bandied about that this change at Nat'l Sec Director may be a move toward war as a distraction for the Mueller probe. As far out as that may seem, I think it may be possible. Trump is in panic mode and his State Dept is all but destroyed as any diplomatic efforts are concerned. He's got almost a full staff from Fox News making policy right now. And when someone like Trump, who is borderline crazy or more is pushed into a corner and worried about his future and his ego shattering removal, it's like Wednesday at the Mickey Mouse Club. It's anything can happen day. This is scary as hell to anyone without Trump colored blinders on.
 
I knew it would be too complex a thought for you.

And I STILL elevated the level of complexity.

Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.
It was the 80k democrats that refused to vote for HIllary.

It seems you on the right are the only ones obsessed with Hillary. Almost every post is about her and how we on the left are decrying her loss. Most of us don't give a shit. We just want someone sane and stable at the helm. We've suffered through GOP administrations before as has the rest of America but at least we knew that our differences were ideological and political and not there because we had a nutjob in the white house. I disagreed with W and Reagan and others but this is concern for a whole other reason or set of reasons. We see that we have an unstable, clueless, vile human being in a position of authority so far beyond his skill set that it threatens national security and the moral authority of the U.S. in the eyes of the world. We never thought that those other administrations were a threat to the very fabric of our system. We always knew that whatever damage was done by bad policies were mend able and could be set right by future policy makers. This is not the case with the Trump poison spreading through the world. This damage may very well be permanent and unfixable. That's what you Trumpers don't understand. We'd gladly take even W back or Mike Pence. This is not normal.
 
And I STILL elevated the level of complexity.

Quite the opposite, dope. :laugh2:

Perhaps it was too complex a thought for you.

More like you're hopelessly lost. Millions did vote for him but it was those 80k that made the difference.
It was the 80k democrats that refused to vote for HIllary.

It seems you on the right are the only ones obsessed with Hillary. Almost every post is about her and how we on the left are decrying her loss. Most of us don't give a shit. We just want someone sane and stable at the helm. We've suffered through GOP administrations before as has the rest of America but at least we knew that our differences were ideological and political and not there because we had a nutjob in the white house. I disagreed with W and Reagan and others but this is concern for a whole other reason or set of reasons. We see that we have an unstable, clueless, vile human being in a position of authority so far beyond his skill set that it threatens national security and the moral authority of the U.S. in the eyes of the world. We never thought that those other administrations were a threat to the very fabric of our system. We always knew that whatever damage was done by bad policies were mend able and could be set right by future policy makers. This is not the case with the Trump poison spreading through the world. This damage may very well be permanent and unfixable. That's what you Trumpers don't understand. We'd gladly take even W back or Mike Pence. This is not normal.

Hillary keeps inserting herself into the conversation with her incessant "it wasn't my fault" tours. Are we supposed to just ignore her? I mean, she's very useful, reminding everyone of possibly the most embarrassing presidential loss in history.
 
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