Trump claims he understands and will be a boon to working class Americans....Baloney!

[320 Years of History]

Earlier today I found myself in a discussion (RL) with several other folks about why Trump (not the GOP) is unpopular as a Presidential candidate among working class minorities yet is extremely popular among working class white folks. It is bizarre to me why one might even wonder when the answer is as plain as the nose on one's face: his actions give one absolutely no reason to believe his words about actually caring about working class Americans.

To illustrate, consider any number of things:

• The fact that it's hard to find any instances of Trump's having visited working class minority neighborhoods and speaking with, and more importantly listening to, working class minorities.
• The fact that not one of his business ventures has working class people as target customers.
• His behavior at Bronx P.S. 70...especially when considered in contrast with another corporate executive's comportment at the very same school.

Those are three palpable examples that clearly illustrate his condescension toward working class minorities and his lack of awareness of their situation and how to act to materially improve it, even on a small scale, assuming, that is, there be any truth to the assertion he is of a mind to do so, which given that when given the opportunity to make a real impact and his not doing so, is a dubious claim at best.

Now do the preceding examples and others that I didn't mention speak to why minorities overwhelmingly favor Mrs. Clinton? Of course not. Does it say anything about whether Mrs. Clinton would be better for working class minorities', or working class people in general's, fortunes? Not at all. To gauge whether the same assertion has anything supporting it, one must consider her actions. The thing is that whereas I can find throughout her long life in public service instances where her remarks suggest something other than a comprehensive understanding of working class minorities' needs, I can't find any instances at all of her acting with deliberacy or insouciance toward them.

 

[DarkFury]

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[Mr. H.]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

I think he drove past one once on his way to the golf course.

 

[whitehall]

Interesting that Trump says "working class Americans" and the radical left switches the argument to "working class minorities". It seems that "minorities didn't do too well during the 7 1/2 years of the Hussein administration so the left wants to talk about Trump and minorities.

 

[deltex1]

Earlier today I found myself in a discussion (RL) with several other folks about why Trump (not the GOP) is unpopular as a Presidential candidate among working class minorities yet is extremely popular among working class white folks. It is bizarre to me why one might even wonder when the answer is as plain as the nose on one's face: his actions give one absolutely no reason to believe his words about actually caring about working class Americans.

To illustrate, consider any number of things:

• The fact that it's hard to find any instances of Trump's having visited working class minority neighborhoods and speaking with, and more importantly listening to, working class minorities.
• The fact that not one of his business ventures has working class people as target customers.
• His behavior at Bronx P.S. 70...especially when considered in contrast with another corporate executive's comportment at the very same school.

Those are three palpable examples that clearly illustrate his condescension toward working class minorities and his lack of awareness of their situation and how to act to materially improve it, even on a small scale, assuming, that is, there be any truth to the assertion he is of a mind to do so, which given that when given the opportunity to make a real impact and his not doing so, is a dubious claim at best.

Now do the preceding examples and others that I didn't mention speak to why minorities overwhelmingly favor Mrs. Clinton? Of course not. Does it say anything about whether Mrs. Clinton would be better for working class minorities', or working class people in general's, fortunes? Not at all. To gauge whether the same assertion has anything supporting it, one must consider her actions. The thing is that whereas I can find throughout her long life in public service instances where her remarks suggest something other than a comprehensive understanding of working class minorities' needs, I can't find any instances at all of her acting with deliberacy or insouciance toward them.

Obama was a coon for the minority class...he even fucked that up.

 

[DarkFury]

Interesting that Trump says "working class Americans" and the radical left switches the argument to "working class minorities". It seems that "minorities didn't do too well during the 7 1/2 years of the Hussein administration so the left wants to talk about Trump and minorities.

The did not do all that well under Clinton. More Negros went to jail under B. Clinton than any group.

 

[BluesLegend]

Interesting that Trump says "working class Americans" and the radical left switches the argument to "working class minorities". It seems that "minorities didn't do too well during the 7 1/2 years of the Hussein administration so the left wants to talk about Trump and minorities.

The did not do all that well under Clinton. More Negros went to jail under B. Clinton than any group.

The point I have been making is, its the Democratic controlled inner cities that are sending blacks to jail. Dem cities, Dem police forces, Dem courts, Dem prisons.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL Here we have the Orange Donald getting under 10% of the black vote, less than 20% of the Hispanic vote, and, at the most, 30% of other minority votes.

Add in maybe, if he is lucky, 40% of the womens vote, the largest single voting demographic. Now, seems to me, that you might be working giving some of those voters reason to vote for Trump, rather than trying to state that Hillary is worse. Because there is ample evidence that the minority voters are not buying that.

 

[Lakhota]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

He was a community organizer. Do you think he never left his office? Did Jesus never leave his office?

 

[Mr. H.]

LOL Here we have the Orange Donald getting under 10% of the black vote, less than 20% of the Hispanic vote, and, at the most, 30% of other minority votes.

Add in maybe, if he is lucky, 40% of the womens vote, the largest single voting demographic. Now, seems to me, that you might be working giving some of those voters reason to vote for Trump, rather than trying to state that Hillary is worse. Because there is ample evidence that the minority voters are not buying that.

Reply to my post in the other thread. With United States' Co2 emissions in constant decline why should we sacrifice trillions of dollars, millions of jobs and entire industries for the sake of reducing global mean temperature by .018 degrees C?

 

[Mr. H.]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

He was a community organizer. Do you think he never left his office? Did Jesus never leave his office?

Jesus done left Chicago, and He's bound for New Orleans.

 

[Mr. H.]

LOL Here we have the Orange Donald getting under 10% of the black vote, less than 20% of the Hispanic vote, and, at the most, 30% of other minority votes.

Add in maybe, if he is lucky, 40% of the womens vote, the largest single voting demographic. Now, seems to me, that you might be working giving some of those voters reason to vote for Trump, rather than trying to state that Hillary is worse. Because there is ample evidence that the minority voters are not buying that.

Reply to my post in the other thread. With United States' Co2 emissions in constant decline why should we sacrifice trillions of dollars, millions of jobs and entire industries for the sake of reducing global mean temperature by .018 degrees C?

Old Rocks is and old useless fuck. Fuck you old timer.

 

[320 Years of History]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

What? Besides the ones he grew up in?

 

[Oldstyle]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

The only time liberals like Hillary and Barry visit minority neighborhoods is when they are running for office. If they aren't running for office they hang out at places like Martha's Vineyard, Aspen or Hawaii. Hillary and Bill live in Westchester County in a gated million dollar mansion protected by Secret Service agents. They don't have a CLUE what's going on down in the "hood" nor do they really care.

 

[320 Years of History]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

The only time liberals like Hillary and Barry visit minority neighborhoods is when they are running for office. If they aren't running for office they hang out at places like Martha's Vineyard, Aspen or Hawaii. Hillary and Bill live in Westchester County in a gated million dollar mansion protected by Secret Service agents. They don't have a CLUE what's going on down in the "hood" nor do they really care.

Red:

You're just flat out wrong. Here are several instances where Mr. Obama has visited with so-called "regular" people. He has not only visited them, he lived among them.

Homes Mr. Obama lived in.

Where he and his parent's lived when he was a boy.

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• Mr. Obama:
  • Sept. 2010 -- In Va., Obama visits working class neighborhood - Victoria Advocate
  • Growing up -- Obama's Neighborhood - Barack Obama Resources, Hawaii History, Punahou, Pictures, Images
  • Dec. 2014 -- President Obama's Visit to Nashville and Casa Azafran
  • June 2015 -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/u...neral-of-clementa-pinckney-in-charleston.html
  • Jan 2009 -- Washington, D.C. visit to Ben's Chilli Bowl
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  • April 2015 -- Anacostia, Washington, D.C. -- Obama announces e-book initiative for low-income students
• Mrs. Clinton: Mrs. Clinton was not "to the manor born" as is Trump.
  
  Young Hillary Clinton in her family's Chicago Neighborhood
  
  

  

  
  
  
  The Rodham's home after moving to the suburbs.
  
  
  
  

  

  
  
  Donald Trump's Childhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens -- not very middle class looking...and quite frankly, even when he was there it wasn't a welcoming place for "outsiders."
  
  

  

  
  
  

  

  
  
  

  

  
  
  I'm not even going to try listing all the places and people she's met and worked directly to improve the quality of their lives. Her history of doing that dates all the way back to her early days as co-founder of Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. Moreover, the things she has made available to folks are things that cannot be taken away or lost as happens when, say, a casino goes belly-up. Here are but two examples of her having done things that clearly don't provide any direct material benefit to her, unlike Trump for whom everything he's done has made him richer. The very idea that she has done what she has and visited low or middle income neighborhoods only when running for election is just absurd.​
  • Mrs. Clinton was a driving force for providing health insurance to millions of children through SCHIP, a government program that provided health insurance for uninsured children who did not qualify for Medicaid.
    
  • Clinton co-sponsored the Relief for Working Families Tax Act, which supported a lower tax burden for families with children and "working families."

You see, folks like the Clintons and Obamas don't need to visit working and middle class neighborhoods and schools to understand what life there is like. They grew up in them.

 

[Oldstyle]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

The only time liberals like Hillary and Barry visit minority neighborhoods is when they are running for office. If they aren't running for office they hang out at places like Martha's Vineyard, Aspen or Hawaii. Hillary and Bill live in Westchester County in a gated million dollar mansion protected by Secret Service agents. They don't have a CLUE what's going on down in the "hood" nor do they really care.

Red:

You're just flat out wrong. Here are several instances where Mr. Obama has visited with so-called "regular" people. He has not only visited them, he lived among them.

Homes Mr. Obama lived in.

Where he and his parent's lived when he was a boy.

​

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• Mr. Obama:
  • Sept. 2010 -- In Va., Obama visits working class neighborhood - Victoria Advocate
  • Growing up -- Obama's Neighborhood - Barack Obama Resources, Hawaii History, Punahou, Pictures, Images
  • Dec. 2014 -- President Obama's Visit to Nashville and Casa Azafran
  • June 2015 -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/27/u...neral-of-clementa-pinckney-in-charleston.html
  • Jan 2009 -- Washington, D.C. visit to Ben's Chilli Bowl
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  • April 2015 -- Anacostia, Washington, D.C. -- Obama announces e-book initiative for low-income students
• Mrs. Clinton: Mrs. Clinton was not "to the manor born" as is Trump.
  
  Young Hillary Clinton in her family's Chicago Neighborhood
  
  

  

  
  
  
  The Rodham's home after moving to the suburbs.
  
  
  
  

  

  
  
  Donald Trump's Childhood home in Jamaica Estates, Queens -- not very middle class looking...and quite frankly, even when he was there it wasn't a welcoming place for "outsiders."
  
  

  

  
  
  

  

  
  
  

  

  
  
  I'm not even going to try listing all the places and people she's met and worked directly to improve the quality of their lives. Her history of doing that dates all the way back to her early days as co-founder of Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families. Moreover, the things she has made available to folks are things that cannot be taken away or lost as happens when, say, a casino goes belly-up. Here are but two examples of her having done things that clearly don't provide any direct material benefit to her, unlike Trump for whom everything he's done has made him richer. The very idea that she has done what she has and visited low or middle income neighborhoods only when running for election is just absurd.​
  • Mrs. Clinton was a driving force for providing health insurance to millions of children through SCHIP, a government program that provided health insurance for uninsured children who did not qualify for Medicaid.
    
  • Clinton co-sponsored the Relief for Working Families Tax Act, which supported a lower tax burden for families with children and "working families."

You see, folks like the Clintons and Obamas don't need to visit working and middle class neighborhoods and schools to understand what life there is like. They grew up in them.

What's improved more...the lives of the people they represented...or their own lives? The Obama's and the Clinton's have used their elected offices to become multi millionaires and live in large mansions in exclusive neighborhoods...while their constituents have slid further towards poverty. Progressive politicians always tell the poor that they are "there" for them but let's be honest here, 320...the Clinton's have always been "there" for themselves! Their use of the Clinton Foundation as a means to funnel pay for play bribes and support their political machine is not only illegal...it's immoral!

And Barry might have lived in that cute little house in Hawaii before he figured out how to use Affirmative Action to make his fortune...but now he's staying in THIS house on the Vineyard.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I don't recall Obama visiting working class minority neighborhoods. Do you?

He was a community organizer. Do you think he never left his office? Did Jesus never leave his office?

Jesus had an office?

Who knew?

 

[Oldstyle]

Nancy Pelosi claims to be "there" for the poor...yet she lives in a sprawling mansion out in wine country in Napa! The only minorities there are probably picking grapes!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

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Interesting