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[Coyote]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

 

[flacaltenn]

U.S. President Donald Trump’s Middle East “deal of the century” offers the Palestinians a state. They have rejected it and threatened instead to ramp up violence against Israel.

No one can be surprised. They have rejected every offer of a state previously made to them in 1937, 1947, 2000, 2008 and 2014.

So is this latest deal anything more than Groundhog Day for the Middle East all over again? Yes, because this isn’t a deal. It’s an ultimatum.

Israel intends to enact its part in the plan unilaterally by declaring sovereignty over the Israeli settlement blocs and the Jordan Valley. The big change is that, despite the subsequent crossed wires over timing, the United States will accept this.

That’s because this isn’t a “peace process” in which both sides must progress in tandem with each other — a process that gave the Palestinians an effective veto even while they continued to wage their war of extermination against Israel.

For the first time, here’s an American plan that puts the security of Israel first and foremost. It’s therefore the first time that the United States has unequivocally supported Israel’s future existence.

The Palestinians' bluff has been called. Over to you, world | MelaniePhillips.com

It's not really a "bluff".. THey are not united enough to respond.. And we keep pushing them towards "national" elections and a top heavy national political system.. Funny thing is that Arabs may value their freedom from "nation states" a lot more than we do...

They have THOUSANDS of years of existence without organizing any strong nation states (since the Egyptian dynasties or other example farther back) as their inheritance..

They've been occupied and trampled over for all of the last 2000 years by Empires or Crusades from religious wars..

They only instituted nation states as a means to kick out foreign empires and interference.

And they KNOW the sordid history of "strong man" nation states in the region discriminating against and even torturing the "tribes not in power"...

We're asking them to put their representation on the field.. They feel the field is theirs and don't see a NEED to elect "national leadership".. THEREFORE, if the world is gonna FIND their representation amongst them, my view is -- we best VIEW their CHOICE of govt as more of an "Emirates" model and talk to the leaders of the cities where 80% of the Palis live...

NOT Hamas or Fatah.. Maybe to some extent listen to the PA that hasn't held a national election for over a decade, and quit fooling ourselves that the "table is set" for talks.. Any PRESSURE to do that will produce another "Jew free Gaza" debacle and perhaps another war amongst them...

Can't even START a meaningful "peace process" until there's legitimate and STABLE representation from the Pali side..

So maybe they elect regional representatives (mayors of major cities, tribal representatives of rural areas) from whom a single representative is chosen for a set period to act in their interest. Kind of like the Swiss system?

Almost.. Sit ALL of those EXISTING leaders down at the table with respect.. Let them go decide amongst themselves what requests or changes they need.. Eventually, they might want to have real diplomatic delegates for representation as a part of a REAL "Federation of Palestine". .. It just cuts out a bunch of bureaucracy where none is needed... Those folks REPRESENT 80% or MORE of the populace.. Let them into the negotiations...

 

[Shusha]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

Referendum.

 

[Coyote]

U.S. President Donald Trump’s Middle East “deal of the century” offers the Palestinians a state. They have rejected it and threatened instead to ramp up violence against Israel.

No one can be surprised. They have rejected every offer of a state previously made to them in 1937, 1947, 2000, 2008 and 2014.

So is this latest deal anything more than Groundhog Day for the Middle East all over again? Yes, because this isn’t a deal. It’s an ultimatum.

Israel intends to enact its part in the plan unilaterally by declaring sovereignty over the Israeli settlement blocs and the Jordan Valley. The big change is that, despite the subsequent crossed wires over timing, the United States will accept this.

That’s because this isn’t a “peace process” in which both sides must progress in tandem with each other — a process that gave the Palestinians an effective veto even while they continued to wage their war of extermination against Israel.

For the first time, here’s an American plan that puts the security of Israel first and foremost. It’s therefore the first time that the United States has unequivocally supported Israel’s future existence.

The Palestinians' bluff has been called. Over to you, world | MelaniePhillips.com

It's not really a "bluff".. THey are not united enough to respond.. And we keep pushing them towards "national" elections and a top heavy national political system.. Funny thing is that Arabs may value their freedom from "nation states" a lot more than we do...

They have THOUSANDS of years of existence without organizing any strong nation states (since the Egyptian dynasties or other example farther back) as their inheritance..

They've been occupied and trampled over for all of the last 2000 years by Empires or Crusades from religious wars..

They only instituted nation states as a means to kick out foreign empires and interference.

And they KNOW the sordid history of "strong man" nation states in the region discriminating against and even torturing the "tribes not in power"...

We're asking them to put their representation on the field.. They feel the field is theirs and don't see a NEED to elect "national leadership".. THEREFORE, if the world is gonna FIND their representation amongst them, my view is -- we best VIEW their CHOICE of govt as more of an "Emirates" model and talk to the leaders of the cities where 80% of the Palis live...

NOT Hamas or Fatah.. Maybe to some extent listen to the PA that hasn't held a national election for over a decade, and quit fooling ourselves that the "table is set" for talks.. Any PRESSURE to do that will produce another "Jew free Gaza" debacle and perhaps another war amongst them...

Can't even START a meaningful "peace process" until there's legitimate and STABLE representation from the Pali side..

So maybe they elect regional representatives (mayors of major cities, tribal representatives of rural areas) from whom a single representative is chosen for a set period to act in their interest. Kind of like the Swiss system?

Almost.. Sit ALL of those EXISTING leaders down at the table with respect.. Let them go decide amongst themselves what requests or changes they need.. Eventually, they might want to have real diplomatic delegates for representation as a part of a REAL "Federation of Palestine". .. It just cuts out a bunch of bureaucracy where none is needed... Those folks REPRESENT 80% or MORE of the populace.. Let them into the negotiations...

My feelings exactly. You can't really have a realistic plan without them.

 

[Coyote]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

Referendum.

?

 

[flacaltenn]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

This is why every past plan has failed.. You don't START with a map.. You lay out a design and vision of peace, commerce, freedom for ALL of the parties first...

I doubt there's a sinister plan to jettison Israel's Arabs.. Seriously doubt it.. But glad they are chuckling about it.. Seems Team Trump didn't have enough Palestinian input for this proposal to fly.. OR --- ignored it. OR the Palestinians are still hung up on things they COULD HAVE HAD 25 years ago but can't today..

 

[Coyote]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

This is why every past plan has failed.. You don't START with a map.. You lay out a design and vision of peace, commerce, freedom for ALL of the parties first...

I doubt there's a sinister plan to jettison Israel's Arabs.. Seriously doubt it.. But glad they are chuckling about it.. Seems Team Trump didn't have enough Palestinian input for this proposal to fly.. OR --- ignored it. OR the Palestinians are still hung up on things they COULD HAVE HAD 25 years ago but can't today..

I don't think they had any...that's the feeling I get in reading it.

 

[Shusha]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

Referendum.

?

Well, you know. That's what *normal* countries do in circumstances like this where a brand new self-determination is brought into being. Hold a referendum and people vote to be part of Israel or part of Palestine. Shrug. Seems reasonable.

 

[Coyote]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

Referendum.

?

Well, you know. That's what *normal* countries do in circumstances like this where a brand new self-determination is brought into being. Hold a referendum and people vote to be part of Israel or part of Palestine. Shrug. Seems reasonable.

As long as no one loses their choice of citizenship.

 

[flacaltenn]

Cracking jokes, some Arab Israelis find Trump’s ‘transfer’ plan funny

While leaders of the Arab Israelis are continuing to condemn US President Donald Trump’s plan to transfer some of their communities to a future Palestinian state, some Arab citizens find the proposal so funny that they are cracking jokes and sharing satirical posts and comments on social media.

Trump’s Mideast plan “contemplates the possibility” of redrawing Israeli borders to exclude the so-called Triangle area, home to some 250,000 Arab Israelis living in Kafr Qara, Arara, Baqa al-Gharbiyyeh, Umm al-Fahm, Kalansaweh, Taibeh, Kafr Qassem, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia.

Arab Israeli social media users have posted photos of signs “welcoming” residents to the “Baka al-Gharbiyyeh Crossing” and “Umm al-Fahm Crossing.”

The signs are similar to those placed by the IDF at entrances to Palestinian cities in the West Bank. The purpose of the photoshopped posts is to show what the entrances to Arab Israeli towns would look like, if and when they become part of a Palestinian state.

Reflecting the fear that Arabs may be stripped of their Israeli citizenship in accordance with the peace plan, other social media users posted photos of Trump announcing that his vision does not include certain Arab Israeli families. The posts aim to “assure” anxious families that they would be permitted to remain in their homes and retain their Israeli citizenship, notwithstanding the plan.

This is why every past plan has failed.. You don't START with a map.. You lay out a design and vision of peace, commerce, freedom for ALL of the parties first...

I doubt there's a sinister plan to jettison Israel's Arabs.. Seriously doubt it.. But glad they are chuckling about it.. Seems Team Trump didn't have enough Palestinian input for this proposal to fly.. OR --- ignored it. OR the Palestinians are still hung up on things they COULD HAVE HAD 25 years ago but can't today..

I don't think they had any...that's the feeling I get in reading it.

They probably conferred with a couple Arab League countries... It's a good plan for changing up how peace is negotiated here.. They did a swell job of "real estate" and business development (probably OVER did that part)... But what they're lacking is a distribution list to MAKE peace with other than Abbas and Hamas..

I've always thought Hannah Ashrawi was the best PA spokesperson.. Still very informative and not as political..

 

[Shusha]

As long as no one loses their choice of citizenship.

People (on both sides) ultimately will have the choice of staying in place or retaining citizenship, in all likelihood. Its not going to be perfect for everyone.

And dual citizenship is always an option.

 

[Shusha]

They probably conferred with a couple Arab League countries... It's a good plan for changing up how peace is negotiated here.. They did a swell job of "real estate" and business development (probably OVER did that part)... But what they're lacking is a distribution list to MAKE peace with other than Abbas and Hamas..

I've always thought Hannah Ashrawi was the best PA spokesperson.. Still very informative and not as political..

I was going to agree with this. And then the last sentence. Ugh.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is why, in any deal, I think Gaza and WB should be dealt with separately.

What language: "dealt with". Shouldn't Palestinians have some input on that?

Yes they should. But Gaza and WB should be negotiated separately imo.

I find this to be an error in judgment. The reason for that is simple, and the recent history with Palestinian history governments demonstrates it conclusively: Palestinians are overwhelmingly for a united Palestine. Conversely, separate agreements would be lacking in legitimacy. Moreover, insisting on negotiating the two parts separately would doom every effort at negotiation before it even starts. No Palestinian could be seen sitting down for that without losing any standing with the overwhelming majority of Palestinians. In effect, it is the old divide et impera strategy pursued by Israel since at least Hamas won the Gaza elections, which is particularly galling, or ironic, as the case may be, since Hamas was founded with Israeli help to undermine Fatah.

That's my argument. What's yours?

In effect, it is the old divide et impera strategy pursued by Israel since at least Hamas won the Gaza elections,

This is a common piece of misinformation. Hamas was not elected only in Gaza. Hamas was elected nation wide. Hamas was the majority party in the PA. Hamas was the elected government in office in all of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

 

[USAF 2023]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

The Palestinians don’t like Trump’s plan? What if his plan was different? Would they act any better if all of their demands weren’t met?

 

[Shusha]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

Oh seriously? We should reject the Trump plan because it doesn't align with her "personal sensibilities"? 3.38. Come on.

 

[Shusha]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

"It appeared to be some kind of unidentified chemical nerve agent that was causing people to -- I mean that's a war crime in and of itself -- its causing people to lose consciousness, its deadly if you are exposed to it for too long..."

These are lies. Blatant untruths. Its the well-poisoning trope.

My question is, if your cause is so obviously just and right -- why do you have to devolve all the way down to the well-poisoning canard?

 

[Shusha]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

OMG. Seriously?! It just gets worse and worse. Palestinians are not allowed to get medical care? Come on. This is ridiculous. You should be embarrassed to post this crap.

 

[Shusha]

The Trump/Netanyahu Peace Deal Is Geopolitical Gangsterism

Also, aside from the fact that every single sentence in that video is just wrong....they said absolutely nothing about the Trump Plan. Which confirms my understanding that there is a knee jerk reaction with no basis in reality or what the plan actually says. Just more "Israel is evil" because .... well ... it just is. So there.

 

[Mindful]

They probably conferred with a couple Arab League countries... It's a good plan for changing up how peace is negotiated here.. They did a swell job of "real estate" and business development (probably OVER did that part)... But what they're lacking is a distribution list to MAKE peace with other than Abbas and Hamas..

I've always thought Hannah Ashrawi was the best PA spokesperson.. Still very informative and not as political..

I was going to agree with this. And then the last sentence. Ugh.

I can't bear that woman.


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