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If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.63% of Republicans have not voted for Trump. He has won a minority of the delegates.
If Trump loses because he can't win a majority of the delegates and nearly two-thirds voting against him, you can't say the election was stolen.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
The reason i know this negative stuff is phony is because the candidates who are supposedly loved by the public cant get any votes.85% Latino
80% Black
80% Young
75% Women
Poll was from the Washington Post.
How exactly will Trump overcome those numbers to win the Whitehouse? And how will we save the Senate in down ballot races?
The Senate?
If Trump is the nominee - and it's looking more every day that he won't be - the Senate will be long gone.
But if he is, Republicans will have to worry about the House.
The house?
Don't quit your day job because you sure don't know politics.
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In a Republic with the elected officials being chosen by the people through VOTING.............those with the most votes win...........
I guess you think we live in something other than a Republic.................The establishment will steal the nominee from the voters..........no matter how you RAVE about it...........
If this is how we decide who will be president......then the Republic no longer exists............I guess you are stupid to realize that........
If they do this......................No candidate put forward will win............it's over............and I hope we burn the fucking GOP down if they do it.
The Republican Party is not a Republic. It is a private organization and can set whatever rules it wants.
And Trump's supporters are all members of that organization and we have been winning by the rules of that organization.
The leadership has been working outside of the rules to attack their own front runner, instead of letting the primary process work as it is intended.
AND openly plotting ways to game the rules to subvert the process.
Expect a move to repeal Rule 40, with requires in the event of a brokered convention that the candidate to be picked has to have won 8 states.
That is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
You have not won 1237 delegates. If Trump wins that, he should be the nominee. If he doesn't, then he should not. And he probably won't.
This system, or a variation of it, dates back to the 1830s. It is older than the Republican Party itself.
It shouldn't be changed simply because a candidate who didn't win the required delegates or a majority of the voters, and didn't know the process, thinks he should be the candidate.
Trump didn't even know some of the most basic facts of this system. That he didn't would astonish most people. Except, of course, Trump supporters, who seem immune to astonishment.
If Trump doesn't win 1237 delegates, it will be AT THE VERY LEAST IN PART, because the GOP leadership joined in the vile propaganda campaign the Left has been waging against him.
That is dirty pool. Don't pretend it isn't.
If the GOP throws out rule 40, that is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Since when is expressing a political preference and supporting a candidate "dirty pool"? Particularly when that's the whole point of forming a political party in the first place.
If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.63% of Republicans have not voted for Trump. He has won a minority of the delegates.
If Trump loses because he can't win a majority of the delegates and nearly two-thirds voting against him, you can't say the election was stolen.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
The Republican Party is not a Republic. It is a private organization and can set whatever rules it wants.
And Trump's supporters are all members of that organization and we have been winning by the rules of that organization.
The leadership has been working outside of the rules to attack their own front runner, instead of letting the primary process work as it is intended.
AND openly plotting ways to game the rules to subvert the process.
Expect a move to repeal Rule 40, with requires in the event of a brokered convention that the candidate to be picked has to have won 8 states.
That is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
You have not won 1237 delegates. If Trump wins that, he should be the nominee. If he doesn't, then he should not. And he probably won't.
This system, or a variation of it, dates back to the 1830s. It is older than the Republican Party itself.
It shouldn't be changed simply because a candidate who didn't win the required delegates or a majority of the voters, and didn't know the process, thinks he should be the candidate.
Trump didn't even know some of the most basic facts of this system. That he didn't would astonish most people. Except, of course, Trump supporters, who seem immune to astonishment.
If Trump doesn't win 1237 delegates, it will be AT THE VERY LEAST IN PART, because the GOP leadership joined in the vile propaganda campaign the Left has been waging against him.
That is dirty pool. Don't pretend it isn't.
If the GOP throws out rule 40, that is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Since when is expressing a political preference and supporting a candidate "dirty pool"? Particularly when that's the whole point of forming a political party in the first place.
If that was all they were doing then you would have a point.
Instead they have joined in the vile propaganda campaign the Left has been waging against him.
As I pointed out in the post you used the reply button on.
any vote taken from paul ryan isnt a failure.If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
He can't. More of those damned rules he thinks should never apply to him. If he goes all the way to the convention, he'll have passed the deadline by which he needs to register to run third party, in which case all he could do is run a write-in campaign, which would be a miserable failure.
I don't know when the cut off is vs. the last state's primary. It might be obvious by that time if he doesn't have the numbers. I haven't heard him say he'll go third party or that he'll break any rules. For me, anybody still standing after the left and right clobbers then relentlessly has something going.If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
He can't. More of those damned rules he thinks should never apply to him. If he goes all the way to the convention, he'll have passed the deadline by which he needs to register to run third party, in which case all he could do is run a write-in campaign, which would be a miserable failure.
The GOP is a coalition party of wealthy oligarchs,
If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.63% of Republicans have not voted for Trump. He has won a minority of the delegates.
If Trump loses because he can't win a majority of the delegates and nearly two-thirds voting against him, you can't say the election was stolen.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
If Kasich and the GOP establishment had any brains they would run a Trump/Kasich ticket. The GOP gets Ohio and Kasich gets to be president in 2020. Trump will not opt for a second term.
And Trump's supporters are all members of that organization and we have been winning by the rules of that organization.
The leadership has been working outside of the rules to attack their own front runner, instead of letting the primary process work as it is intended.
AND openly plotting ways to game the rules to subvert the process.
Expect a move to repeal Rule 40, with requires in the event of a brokered convention that the candidate to be picked has to have won 8 states.
That is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
You have not won 1237 delegates. If Trump wins that, he should be the nominee. If he doesn't, then he should not. And he probably won't.
This system, or a variation of it, dates back to the 1830s. It is older than the Republican Party itself.
It shouldn't be changed simply because a candidate who didn't win the required delegates or a majority of the voters, and didn't know the process, thinks he should be the candidate.
Trump didn't even know some of the most basic facts of this system. That he didn't would astonish most people. Except, of course, Trump supporters, who seem immune to astonishment.
If Trump doesn't win 1237 delegates, it will be AT THE VERY LEAST IN PART, because the GOP leadership joined in the vile propaganda campaign the Left has been waging against him.
That is dirty pool. Don't pretend it isn't.
If the GOP throws out rule 40, that is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
Since when is expressing a political preference and supporting a candidate "dirty pool"? Particularly when that's the whole point of forming a political party in the first place.
If that was all they were doing then you would have a point.
Instead they have joined in the vile propaganda campaign the Left has been waging against him.
As I pointed out in the post you used the reply button on.
I saw it. Same answer. There's no "dirty pool" about expressing support for a candidate against another candidate. It's why they exist. You and Donny Boy both need to butch up and stop whining about, "Ehrmagerd, they're saying NEGATIVE THINGS about me! It's so mean and unfair!" Yeah, but they're also true, and frankly, this is politics, not a quilting bee. Grow a pair.
If the establishment goons pick for us what do you think they will do, pick someone they have no leverage over? It's clear to me they want Kasich, why else would he still be in it? The only question is if Trump will then run as a third party guy.Well Cruz would be the only other possibility and we know he's the establishments reluctant pick.Well, if you are to be consistent then even a higher number have voted against each other candidate. It isn't Trump versus everybody else.
No one else is claiming that the election is being stolen.
Yeah, and if Trump manages to get the required delegates, the GOPe is going to support him. Will that make TRUMP establishment? Are we just going to hate on anyone the GOPe coalesces behind? Or is it "look, he's ESTABLISHMENT!" for everyone else, and "He's such a persuasive winner" for Trump? More double standard?
If Kasich and the GOP establishment had any brains they would run a Trump/Kasich ticket. The GOP gets Ohio and Kasich gets to be president in 2020. Trump will not opt for a second term.
The Senate?
If Trump is the nominee - and it's looking more every day that he won't be - the Senate will be long gone.
But if he is, Republicans will have to worry about the House.
The house?
Don't quit your day job because you sure don't know politics.
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If trump isnt the nominee the senate and house will certainly be lost. my guess is Trump will get many more votes than cruz in these last primaries and will most likely lead him by at least 4 million after CA. Lets say Trump ends up with 1175 delegates and Cruz 650. If Trump isnt the nominee most of his voters will leave. I sure as hell will vote straight dem for all offices if he isnt the nominee. Cruz has 1 chance to be in the white house and thats for him to be Trumps VP.
The Senate?
If Trump is the nominee - and it's looking more every day that he won't be - the Senate will be long gone.
But if he is, Republicans will have to worry about the House.
The house?
Don't quit your day job because you sure don't know politics.
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The Senate?
If Trump is the nominee - and it's looking more every day that he won't be - the Senate will be long gone.
But if he is, Republicans will have to worry about the House.
The house?
Don't quit your day job because you sure don't know politics.
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A very unpopular Republican candidate could cause the GOP to lose the House. It's not likely, but it certainly could happen.
The reason is because of how the districts have been gerrymandered.
The majorities in the gerrymandered Republican districts in Republican states are significantly less than the gerrymandered Democrat districts. This is why if the two parties split the House vote 50/50 across the country, the Republicans would almost certainly retain control. But because the majorities are smaller in the Republican districts, there's less of a cushion if there is a Democratic wave across the country. I don't know what the exact numbers are, but the majorities in the Republican districts are something like 55/45 whereas the majorities in those Democratic districts are 65/35. So in an election that is 53/47 for the Democrats, the Republicans would almost certainly retain control of the House. But if it is 60/40, the Republicans could get crushed in the House.
That's the risk of nominating Trump. He is extraordinarily unpopular outside of his base.
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The Senate?
If Trump is the nominee - and it's looking more every day that he won't be - the Senate will be long gone.
But if he is, Republicans will have to worry about the House.
The house?
Don't quit your day job because you sure don't know politics.
.
A very unpopular Republican candidate could cause the GOP to lose the House. It's not likely, but it certainly could happen.
The reason is because of how the districts have been gerrymandered.
The majorities in the gerrymandered Republican districts in Republican states are significantly less than the gerrymandered Democrat districts. This is why if the two parties split the House vote 50/50 across the country, the Republicans would almost certainly retain control. But because the majorities are smaller in the Republican districts, there's less of a cushion if there is a Democratic wave across the country. I don't know what the exact numbers are, but the majorities in the Republican districts are something like 55/45 whereas the majorities in those Democratic districts are 65/35. So in an election that is 53/47 for the Democrats, the Republicans would almost certainly retain control of the House. But if it is 60/40, the Republicans could get crushed in the House.
That's the risk of nominating Trump. He is extraordinarily unpopular outside of his base.
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In your dreams, their is no way in hell the democrats can with take the house this year...
In your dreams, their is no way in hell the democrats can with take the house this year...
Not in my dreams. That would be a disaster. If the Democrats win the House, that means they'll have a veto-proof majority in the Senate and Hillary in the White House. I can't think of a worse outcome.
That's why Trump is an absolutely terrible choice. He is an awful candidate. He'd get blown out, and he'd imperil the House. At least with Cruz, he probably wouldn't win, but the Republicans most likely would still hold at least one chamber.
The biggest myth in politics is that there are all these bullet-proof districts. That assumption is based on normal voting patterns. It doesn't hold if the election is a rout.
