Trump-Kim summit a step away from war, but light on detail

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How do you achieve normalized relations and peace without meeting with them? How has ignoring them made the situation better?

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

You’ve bought in.

One. We don’t negotiate for hostages. Do we?

Two. NK has released hostages in the past. We gave Kim no meeting in return.

The end of the Korean War has yet to be finalized.

The destruction of a nuclear site? You mean the collapsed mountainside?

Please. Stop already. It’s embarrassing.

1. Yes, we do. It's why Bill Clinton went to North Korea as well, lest you forget. It's also why we negotiated for the release of the hostages from the USS Pueblo.

2. Yes, and this time that was part of a deal to secure a meeting. Who knows when or if they would have been released without that this time? Or if they would have been released like Otto Warmbier was released.

3. Correct. But it has been agreed to in principle between the north and south. That's a huge step.

4. North Korea blows up tunnels at Punggye-ri nuclear test site - CNN

The only thing embarrassing is that partisan hacks would rather preclude the chance of peace with North Korea than give Trump a political victory. It's sick actually.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

'The Singapore summit was textbook Trump, namely, his equation of the personal and chemistry with policy and accomplishment. The problem is less (as so many are saying) the legitimacy the president accorded the North Korean leader, so much as the one-sided outcome that yielded little in the way of substance.

Between the lines: The released statement is almost entirely aspirational. There are no definitions of denuclearization, no specifics as to the requirements of verification, and no timelines. History would suggest that implementation is everything when it comes to North Korea, yet there is nothing firm about what is to be done or when or how.

It is most troubling that Trump agreed to suspend all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea and mentioned the desirability of removing U.S. troops from the peninsula. That he used the phrase “war games” to describe the exercises only makes it more worrisome. There was no mention in the summit statement of reducing North Korea's conventional military threat to the South. The outcome seems to be nothing so much as the “freeze for freeze” proposal China floated months ago linking North Korean weapon and missile testing with U.S.–South Korean exercises.

It will be extraordinarily hard for the United States to maintain pressure on North Korea given that sanctions will begin to unravel (with China and Russia leading the way) and given that South Korean President Moon has committed to normalizing relations with the North. The only reference to a future process assumes a continuation of bilateral talks. None of this bodes well for future North Korean concessions or for the concerns of American allies.

The bottom line: The good news is that the Singapore summit initiated a diplomatic process with the potential to make a contribution to stability and peace. War seems much more distant than it did just months ago. The bad news is that "potential" is the operative word here, and we are off to an unbalanced start.'

Richard Haass is president of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of “A World in Disarray.”


So - as usual - Trump boasts big, but has little to show for his 'efforts'.

What a loser.

CFR. LOL

Unlike the last 4 losers, Trump does not take his orders from the CFR.

Neither did Reagan and they tried to kill him

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

So because in the past the north has reneged on deals we have to preclude the possibility of peace now? That means we have to preclude the chance of peace forever.

 

[Dschrute3]

The only way a war will happen over there, is if the US starts one. North & South have agreed on ending the Korean War. They're working on peace. Why doesn't the US want peace? More Americans need to contemplate that a bit.

 

[Kosh]

WOW the far left thinks that meeting and negotiating is War..

 

[Dschrute3]

WOW the far left thinks that meeting and negotiating is War..

Yeah, they really have lost it since their Hitlery lost. They ain't right.

 

[Kosh]

Bill Clinton says 'I regret' missed chance to 'end' North Korea missile program

 

[Wyatt earp]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

 

[LoneLaugher]

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

Is it a bad thing that they’re doing it now? Would they have done it without the meeting? Why don’t you take a wait and see approach, instead of rooting for America to fail because you hate trump?

Fuck off. I don’t root for America to fail, jackass. That’s what YOU do.

I’m looking at what I see. Trump withdrew from the Iran Nuclear deal because he hates Obama and you cheered that on.

Just fuck off.

 

[Mac1958]

And the comedy continues!

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nobody ignored him. Are you in middle school?

Obama reached a strong agreement with Iran without ever giving the Iranian leader a fucking meeting.

That meeting was one of Kim's GOALS.

This is known to everyone except those who view Trump as a strong negotiator.

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

You’ve bought in.

One. We don’t negotiate for hostages. Do we?

Two. NK has released hostages in the past. We gave Kim no meeting in return.

The end of the Korean War has yet to be finalized.

The destruction of a nuclear site? You mean the collapsed mountainside?

Please. Stop already. It’s embarrassing.

1. Yes, we do. It's why Bill Clinton went to North Korea as well, lest you forget. It's also why we negotiated for the release of the hostages from the USS Pueblo.

2. Yes, and this time that was part of a deal to secure a meeting. Who knows when or if they would have been released without that this time? Or if they would have been released like Otto Warmbier was released.

3. Correct. But it has been agreed to in principle between the north and south. That's a huge step.

4. North Korea blows up tunnels at Punggye-ri nuclear test site - CNN

The only thing embarrassing is that partisan hacks would rather preclude the chance of peace with North Korea than give Trump a political victory. It's sick actually.

Man. You are something.

If something comes of this then Trump can get a victory. So far, nothing has happened except that Kim got his meeting with a ton of compliments and Trump labeled our military excercises as “provocative”.

Of course, he told you that he will make up an excuse if nothing comes of it. And you will buy it.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

Duh. That’s the point. There was no meeting because that is a concession to Kim.

Obama wasn’t about to give up that bargaining chip for some non-binding agreement.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

Duh. That’s the point. There was no meeting because that is a concession to Kim.

Obama wasn’t about to give up that bargaining chip for some non-binding agreement.

Obama didn't know the Asian mind, it appears Dennis , Trump and I know them, I worked for a Japanese company for 8 years .. they can be reasonable people. You get to know them on a personal level .. they will have your back.

 

[Dschrute3]

There will not be a war unless the US starts one. Period, end of story.

 

[Rocko]

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

As well as the Norks stoping their missile launches

They’ve done that many times before.

Is it a bad thing that they’re doing it now? Would they have done it without the meeting? Why don’t you take a wait and see approach, instead of rooting for America to fail because you hate trump?

Fuck off. I don’t root for America to fail, jackass. That’s what YOU do.

I’m looking at what I see. Trump withdrew from the Iran Nuclear deal because he hates Obama and you cheered that on.

Just fuck off.

The Iran deal was shit

 

[Wyatt earp]

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

Duh. That’s the point. There was no meeting because that is a concession to Kim.

Obama wasn’t about to give up that bargaining chip for some non-binding agreement.

Obama didn't know the Asian mind, it appears Dennis , Trump and I know them, I worked for a Japanese company for 8 years .. they can be reasonable people. You get to know them on a personal level .. they will have your back.

That's what Reagan did with pizza head, they became friends, that's what Trump is doing with Putin and lil kim, I wouldn't doubt now they play golf together at Margo and he visits wally world and goes back and opens up his country and more tolerant of personal freedom..

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Kims have been ignored by the west since the U.S. and U.S.S.R. split the Korean peninsula in the sense that they've had no diplomatic relationship. And nobody's denying that Kim wanted a meeting with a sitting American president, and that that's part of a showing of goodwill on Trump's part. Why is that bad though? It's literally a gesture of no substance that can help lead to diplomatic relations. The U.S. loses nothing by doing it, and it should have been done a long time ago for a lot less than Trump is expecting.

No. It was one of our bargaining chips. It was given away for nothing.

Enough with you. You don’t understand.

The end of the Korean War, the release of American hostages, and the destruction of a nuclear site are "nothing." Is it that I don't understand, or that you're full of it?

You’ve bought in.

One. We don’t negotiate for hostages. Do we?

Two. NK has released hostages in the past. We gave Kim no meeting in return.

The end of the Korean War has yet to be finalized.

The destruction of a nuclear site? You mean the collapsed mountainside?

Please. Stop already. It’s embarrassing.

1. Yes, we do. It's why Bill Clinton went to North Korea as well, lest you forget. It's also why we negotiated for the release of the hostages from the USS Pueblo.

2. Yes, and this time that was part of a deal to secure a meeting. Who knows when or if they would have been released without that this time? Or if they would have been released like Otto Warmbier was released.

3. Correct. But it has been agreed to in principle between the north and south. That's a huge step.

4. North Korea blows up tunnels at Punggye-ri nuclear test site - CNN

The only thing embarrassing is that partisan hacks would rather preclude the chance of peace with North Korea than give Trump a political victory. It's sick actually.

Man. You are something.

If something comes of this then Trump can get a victory. So far, nothing has happened except that Kim got his meeting with a ton of compliments and Trump labeled our military excercises as “provocative”.

Of course, he told you that he will make up an excuse if nothing comes of it. And you will buy it.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Dam partisans are funny if Obama had pulled off a summit with North Korea all we would be hearing from the left is how this is great diplomacy and a brilliant example of his leadership shit he would probably get another Nobel Peace Prize. And yes the right would be trashing it and calling it a disaster.

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

Duh. That’s the point. There was no meeting because that is a concession to Kim.

Obama wasn’t about to give up that bargaining chip for some non-binding agreement.

Except he said he would in one of the 2008 debates. He said that he would meet with any dictatorial regime without preconditions, and that was the right position.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Obama could have had a summit with Kim at any time he wanted. He did not do so for a reason.

Because Kim was never willing to discuss denuclearization with him.

Bullshit. Kim made the same “agreement” with Obama that he has made with Trump.

Please try harder.

When did this happen? Got a picture of Obama and lil Kim shaking hands???

Duh. That’s the point. There was no meeting because that is a concession to Kim.

Obama wasn’t about to give up that bargaining chip for some non-binding agreement.

Except he said he would in one of the 2008 debates. He said that he would meet with any dictatorial regime without preconditions, and that was the right position.

Thanks , yet Obama didn't and Trump did..

That's why libtards are so hurt today .

 

[whitehall]

"A step away from war"? Actually we were still at war after 65 years thanks to the ineptness of the Truman administration. What else has Trump accomplished? A promise to return the KIA bodies from Truman's war and the release of three Americans held in N.K. That's more than decades of both republican and democrat administrations but for some reason President Trump can't seem to get credit for it.