Trump Official: We're Going To Cut The EPA In Half

I have a bluetooth. Actually, I have 2. One is an aftermarket one that plugs into the cigarette lighter. It cost me about $20. The other one fits in my ear. It cost me less than $40. It certainly makes driving safer, and I only drive a pickup. Now why any truck driver in an 18 wheeler carrying a load of 10s of 1,000s of lbs of cargo would want to risk taking one hand off the wheel to talk on a cell phone when there is a cheap alternative that is so much safer is beyond me. Frankly, it's nonsensical. However, life has shown me that people do stupid stuff all the time. Now, personally I wouldn't care one whit if a truck driver engaged in that kind of risk when the only one at risk was the driver of the truck. However, trucks share the road with other drivers, many of whom are parents with small children. It sounds like the risk of a heavy fine is a hell of a good incentive to not do something stupid which puts so many others at risk.

The law forced my employer to buy new two-way phones that we can't even use unless you are sitting still. Bluetooth doesn't work with two way cell phones like Nextel used to have. So for a while, they just called us instead.

I've been doing this a very long time now, and I can tell you bluetooth is way more disruptive than just talking on the phone itself. You have to fiddle around to find those stupid buttons to answer or make a call, and that's way more distracting.

That's besides the fact we still use our CB radios all the time. When operating a vehicle like that, we have to shift gears, hit buttons like engine brakes, light interrupters, bright lights, use the clutch. We are doing things all the time to drive that vehicle. A stupid cell phone is not going to change anything.

Plus the fact there is much more background noise in a truck than a pickup truck, and in most cases, you can't communicate anyway.

If you want to make truck driving safer, don't worry about us, teach the idiots around us how to drive. There should be a law strictly enforced that states you can't cut in front of a truck less than five car lengths on the highway. These morons cut in front of me less than one car length and hit the brakes. They've even done this when coming to a stop on the highway like an accident.

Another law we need is no pacing a truck. If you want to pass me, fine, get in the next lane, pass, and continue that speed once you get back in front of me. Don't drive next to me because if I have to swerve out of that lane to avoid something in the road, I can't do that because the idiot next to me has been driving there for the last four miles. We also need a law that everybody has to use cruise control on the highway. So many times I get some idiot in a car going slow, and when I go to pass him, the clown speeds up and I can't move back over.

We should have laws against all these things, and heavy fines and points to boot. You could make the roads a lot safer by doing that instead of worrying about a driver using a cell phone.
. There needs to be a mandatory class that all new license seekers should have to take as pertaining to big trucks. A simulator should also be part of the class. If you can't pass the class you don't get your license. These things you speak of are very important.

LOL, would you like to try and take the test for a CDL Class A license?

If you can pass that test, then you're perfectly qualified to drive. Driving isn't about class time, driving is about experience. I don't care if you take a six month class to drive a truck, it's something you actually have to do to get good at.

In my company, my boss got sick of trying to find Class A drivers, so now he's promoting from within. He offers our straight truck drivers the opportunity to upgrade to drive tractor--trailer. So far it's working pretty well. But even though they drive straight trucks now, they have to take the test all over again for tractor-trailer. Everyone of them failed the first time and had to go back to get tested again. One guy that did it is a very good tractor-trailer driver given his experience, and even he failed the first time.

The real problem we have today are foreigners. Some of them can't speak or read English. I have no idea how they find places or get around. They are terrible drivers to boot. Every couple of months, some foreigner runs up to me and says "Mister, mister! Please back in trailer for me, I don't know how!" I have no idea how these people get a license to drive in this country. I suspect we honor CDL"s from Mexico or Canada, and they are driving on our roads today.
. I know what your mean about foreigner drivers that are being hired not to fill badly needed driver positions, but mainly it is because corporations won't have to pay American workers good money to do the job. Every dam excuse in the book has been used to replace Americans with cheap labor from abroad. There should be huge trailer parking facilities on the border, where as goods coming from Mexico are brought to the border, but then the load is transferred at this point to American drivers to finish the trip of the goods destination. Vice-a-versa.

As usual, it's all politics. If we did that, then other countries would demand we do the same by halting deliveries to Canada and Mexico.

It's not a bad paying job depending on what you do and where you go. Some over the road jobs pay close to six figures and local jobs in the 50K a year range plus benefits. Overtime? Make even more.

If we could halt all immigration to this country including work Visa's, the pay would have to increase because these sleaze ball places would have no choice but to offer more. If nobody will work for you, then you close down.

Another thing would be getting government off of our ass and make things fair for us. When you get a CDL, you lose some of your constitutional rights and there's nothing you can do about it.
. What do you mean it's all politics ?? So you think that foreign drivers out of Mexico should be able to drive on the same roads that you drive on here, but not have to carry the same credentials that you carry on you as is demanded by government, nor do they have to have the same level of training, nor do they have to have the same standard Dot health card that you have to have ???? Wow.
 
Yes, I will blame the left when blame is fitting, but not some kook conspiracy theory like the left comes up with.

I seen companies move out of state or country. I've talked with those owners who were moving by no choice of their own. The two biggest culprits for them moving were costly regulations and unions. If not for those two things, many of those companies would have stayed. But they can't compete in the world market today with those costs.

Pffffffffffffffffffft, look, we've all been indoctrinated to the Wall Street propaganda, spare me. It's bullshit, blame whoever you like, the entire thing looks utterly bipartisan to me, and the societal trajectory is a half century on now; there has indeed been a vast redistribution of societal wealth.

Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
Internalized profit versus externalized risk and expense for the “job creator” class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez-faire capitalism for the masses

All I can tell you is what I seen and experienced. One of our customers is a crate producer. They manufacture crates the size of suit cases to the size of a tractor-trailer. When I delivered those crates to companies moving overseas, I always tried to ask people WTF was happening? Many times I had discussions with the plant manager or actual owner of the companies. It was a consensus. Nobody wants to leave their own country unless they have no other choice. It's either leave the country or state, or join your former workers in the unemployment line.

Sounds like we have an economic system that refuses to pay for labor what it takes labor in america to live.

It's not just labor. Labor is only part of the reason. A company won't move halfway across the world to pay workers $6.00 less per hour. Shipping costs would exceed such savings.

It's a lot of things that move jobs out of the country. We keep putting more straws on the camels back month by month, year by year, until the camel finally collapses. Then we blame rich people for the problem.

Why would we blame rich people, we bailed out Wall Street with socialism, we love the wealthy.

You're missing something, american wealth generation is no longer tied to work or production, it is created fictionally in the financial services sector. Growing wealth in this society is merely a growing of debt. And it is utterly unsustainable.

You people blame the rich for everything. You don't want to look at the big picture. Trump has the right message: buy American. How can you have a society with good paying jobs and cheap products? You can't. You have to choose one or the other.

In recent years, we chose cheap products. The cheaper, the better. None of those Walmart shoppers give a rats ass if they are putting Americans out of work through their purchases.

Since the US consumers demand cheap products, American manufacturers have to provide. They do that by getting rid of humans and replacing us with automation, they do that by keeping wages as low as possible, they do that by moving out of a state where they are trapped by a union and go to another state or even another country.
 
The law forced my employer to buy new two-way phones that we can't even use unless you are sitting still. Bluetooth doesn't work with two way cell phones like Nextel used to have. So for a while, they just called us instead.

I've been doing this a very long time now, and I can tell you bluetooth is way more disruptive than just talking on the phone itself. You have to fiddle around to find those stupid buttons to answer or make a call, and that's way more distracting.

That's besides the fact we still use our CB radios all the time. When operating a vehicle like that, we have to shift gears, hit buttons like engine brakes, light interrupters, bright lights, use the clutch. We are doing things all the time to drive that vehicle. A stupid cell phone is not going to change anything.

Plus the fact there is much more background noise in a truck than a pickup truck, and in most cases, you can't communicate anyway.

If you want to make truck driving safer, don't worry about us, teach the idiots around us how to drive. There should be a law strictly enforced that states you can't cut in front of a truck less than five car lengths on the highway. These morons cut in front of me less than one car length and hit the brakes. They've even done this when coming to a stop on the highway like an accident.

Another law we need is no pacing a truck. If you want to pass me, fine, get in the next lane, pass, and continue that speed once you get back in front of me. Don't drive next to me because if I have to swerve out of that lane to avoid something in the road, I can't do that because the idiot next to me has been driving there for the last four miles. We also need a law that everybody has to use cruise control on the highway. So many times I get some idiot in a car going slow, and when I go to pass him, the clown speeds up and I can't move back over.

We should have laws against all these things, and heavy fines and points to boot. You could make the roads a lot safer by doing that instead of worrying about a driver using a cell phone.
. There needs to be a mandatory class that all new license seekers should have to take as pertaining to big trucks. A simulator should also be part of the class. If you can't pass the class you don't get your license. These things you speak of are very important.

LOL, would you like to try and take the test for a CDL Class A license?

If you can pass that test, then you're perfectly qualified to drive. Driving isn't about class time, driving is about experience. I don't care if you take a six month class to drive a truck, it's something you actually have to do to get good at.

In my company, my boss got sick of trying to find Class A drivers, so now he's promoting from within. He offers our straight truck drivers the opportunity to upgrade to drive tractor--trailer. So far it's working pretty well. But even though they drive straight trucks now, they have to take the test all over again for tractor-trailer. Everyone of them failed the first time and had to go back to get tested again. One guy that did it is a very good tractor-trailer driver given his experience, and even he failed the first time.

The real problem we have today are foreigners. Some of them can't speak or read English. I have no idea how they find places or get around. They are terrible drivers to boot. Every couple of months, some foreigner runs up to me and says "Mister, mister! Please back in trailer for me, I don't know how!" I have no idea how these people get a license to drive in this country. I suspect we honor CDL"s from Mexico or Canada, and they are driving on our roads today.
. I know what your mean about foreigner drivers that are being hired not to fill badly needed driver positions, but mainly it is because corporations won't have to pay American workers good money to do the job. Every dam excuse in the book has been used to replace Americans with cheap labor from abroad. There should be huge trailer parking facilities on the border, where as goods coming from Mexico are brought to the border, but then the load is transferred at this point to American drivers to finish the trip of the goods destination. Vice-a-versa.

As usual, it's all politics. If we did that, then other countries would demand we do the same by halting deliveries to Canada and Mexico.

It's not a bad paying job depending on what you do and where you go. Some over the road jobs pay close to six figures and local jobs in the 50K a year range plus benefits. Overtime? Make even more.

If we could halt all immigration to this country including work Visa's, the pay would have to increase because these sleaze ball places would have no choice but to offer more. If nobody will work for you, then you close down.

Another thing would be getting government off of our ass and make things fair for us. When you get a CDL, you lose some of your constitutional rights and there's nothing you can do about it.
. What do you mean it's all politics ?? So you think that foreign drivers out of Mexico should be able to drive on the same roads that you drive on here, but not have to carry the same credentials that you carry on you as is demanded by government, nor do they have to have the same level of training, nor do they have to have the same standard Dot health card that you have to have ???? Wow.

Not at all. I don't want them anywhere near me. But like I said, it's all politics. The transportation companies here would be outraged if we couldn't make deliveries to their countries.

I think if you want to drive in another country, you should have to obtain one of their licenses. Take the same tests we have to take. Make sure they are safe enough to drive here.

I have to take a physical every year. I'm willing to bet some of these drivers from Mexico haven't seen a doctor in ten years. Because of my disabilities, I'm barely holding on to a job right now, in the meantime, some foreigner who is in much worse shape than I am are driving all over this country.
 
Pffffffffffffffffffft, look, we've all been indoctrinated to the Wall Street propaganda, spare me. It's bullshit, blame whoever you like, the entire thing looks utterly bipartisan to me, and the societal trajectory is a half century on now; there has indeed been a vast redistribution of societal wealth.

Privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class
Internalized profit versus externalized risk and expense for the “job creator” class
Socialism for the aristocracy versus laissez-faire capitalism for the masses

All I can tell you is what I seen and experienced. One of our customers is a crate producer. They manufacture crates the size of suit cases to the size of a tractor-trailer. When I delivered those crates to companies moving overseas, I always tried to ask people WTF was happening? Many times I had discussions with the plant manager or actual owner of the companies. It was a consensus. Nobody wants to leave their own country unless they have no other choice. It's either leave the country or state, or join your former workers in the unemployment line.

Sounds like we have an economic system that refuses to pay for labor what it takes labor in america to live.

It's not just labor. Labor is only part of the reason. A company won't move halfway across the world to pay workers $6.00 less per hour. Shipping costs would exceed such savings.

It's a lot of things that move jobs out of the country. We keep putting more straws on the camels back month by month, year by year, until the camel finally collapses. Then we blame rich people for the problem.

Why would we blame rich people, we bailed out Wall Street with socialism, we love the wealthy.

You're missing something, american wealth generation is no longer tied to work or production, it is created fictionally in the financial services sector. Growing wealth in this society is merely a growing of debt. And it is utterly unsustainable.

You people blame the rich for everything. You don't want to look at the big picture. Trump has the right message: buy American. How can you have a society with good paying jobs and cheap products? You can't. You have to choose one or the other.

In recent years, we chose cheap products. The cheaper, the better. None of those Walmart shoppers give a rats ass if they are putting Americans out of work through their purchases.

Since the US consumers demand cheap products, American manufacturers have to provide. They do that by getting rid of humans and replacing us with automation, they do that by keeping wages as low as possible, they do that by moving out of a state where they are trapped by a union and go to another state or even another country.
. Consumers can't do anything or choose anything without the rich providing the platform, goods and services recieved. If the rich have created some kind of get filthy rich system that no one can escape, then how does the consumer get blamed for that ?? The whole dam system of things we all have been experiencing was by design. Think tanks created this bull crap, and then it was slowly and precisely implemented over the years. Have to have lived through when America was better, products was better, and then watched as it all went down.
 
. There needs to be a mandatory class that all new license seekers should have to take as pertaining to big trucks. A simulator should also be part of the class. If you can't pass the class you don't get your license. These things you speak of are very important.

LOL, would you like to try and take the test for a CDL Class A license?

If you can pass that test, then you're perfectly qualified to drive. Driving isn't about class time, driving is about experience. I don't care if you take a six month class to drive a truck, it's something you actually have to do to get good at.

In my company, my boss got sick of trying to find Class A drivers, so now he's promoting from within. He offers our straight truck drivers the opportunity to upgrade to drive tractor--trailer. So far it's working pretty well. But even though they drive straight trucks now, they have to take the test all over again for tractor-trailer. Everyone of them failed the first time and had to go back to get tested again. One guy that did it is a very good tractor-trailer driver given his experience, and even he failed the first time.

The real problem we have today are foreigners. Some of them can't speak or read English. I have no idea how they find places or get around. They are terrible drivers to boot. Every couple of months, some foreigner runs up to me and says "Mister, mister! Please back in trailer for me, I don't know how!" I have no idea how these people get a license to drive in this country. I suspect we honor CDL"s from Mexico or Canada, and they are driving on our roads today.
. I know what your mean about foreigner drivers that are being hired not to fill badly needed driver positions, but mainly it is because corporations won't have to pay American workers good money to do the job. Every dam excuse in the book has been used to replace Americans with cheap labor from abroad. There should be huge trailer parking facilities on the border, where as goods coming from Mexico are brought to the border, but then the load is transferred at this point to American drivers to finish the trip of the goods destination. Vice-a-versa.

As usual, it's all politics. If we did that, then other countries would demand we do the same by halting deliveries to Canada and Mexico.

It's not a bad paying job depending on what you do and where you go. Some over the road jobs pay close to six figures and local jobs in the 50K a year range plus benefits. Overtime? Make even more.

If we could halt all immigration to this country including work Visa's, the pay would have to increase because these sleaze ball places would have no choice but to offer more. If nobody will work for you, then you close down.

Another thing would be getting government off of our ass and make things fair for us. When you get a CDL, you lose some of your constitutional rights and there's nothing you can do about it.
. What do you mean it's all politics ?? So you think that foreign drivers out of Mexico should be able to drive on the same roads that you drive on here, but not have to carry the same credentials that you carry on you as is demanded by government, nor do they have to have the same level of training, nor do they have to have the same standard Dot health card that you have to have ???? Wow.

Not at all. I don't want them anywhere near me. But like I said, it's all politics. The transportation companies here would be outraged if we couldn't make deliveries to their countries.

I think if you want to drive in another country, you should have to obtain one of their licenses. Take the same tests we have to take. Make sure they are safe enough to drive here.

I have to take a physical every year. I'm willing to bet some of these drivers from Mexico haven't seen a doctor in ten years. Because of my disabilities, I'm barely holding on to a job right now, in the meantime, some foreigner who is in much worse shape than I am are driving all over this country.
. The pay should be the same as well, but not put to the level of third world countries, but instead if they cross that border with a load coming in, then they should have the same level of qualifications, and the same pay. This takes away the thinking by corporations here to then think to themselves "hey one day we will replace the so called lazy American with these cheap foreign drivers", just like they did with so many other jobs that caused the dam mess that America had gotten itself into.
 
Which aspect of environmental regulations is least important? Soil contamination? Water pollution? Or clean breathable air?

Which part are you Conservatives most willing to sacrifice in order to get a few thousand minimum wage jobs?


And the liar steps in...the country is filled with pipelines and industry and we have the cleanest environment you can find...all because we are a rich country and we like clean things........the countries with strong central governments, have the worst environments...
So we have a pristine environment here. That must follow, using you own argument, we have a weak and ineffective federal government.

What will your logic tell you when you begun railing against our strong and overreaching federal government? That's a spiky narrow fence you're sitting on there!
The EPA is destroying our environment....,
How? The NESHAP regulations? CERCLA? Safe Work Practice guidelines? Specifically how?
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
 
And the liar steps in...the country is filled with pipelines and industry and we have the cleanest environment you can find...all because we are a rich country and we like clean things........the countries with strong central governments, have the worst environments...
So we have a pristine environment here. That must follow, using you own argument, we have a weak and ineffective federal government.

What will your logic tell you when you begun railing against our strong and overreaching federal government? That's a spiky narrow fence you're sitting on there!
The EPA is destroying our environment....,
How? The NESHAP regulations? CERCLA? Safe Work Practice guidelines? Specifically how?
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
You a hoaxer?
 
That's correct....Nieto Bandito will pay for the Wall thru remittances sent down there from illegals. Easy to do, without a clean drivers license, Western Union taxes the transaction until the Wall is paid for....simple.


Estimated term for full payback from mexico....2090. .............LOL

Fuck the next 3 generations from now as long as Trump got his ego stroked.....
 

It was early in the morning, the heat burning off the fog, as I drove down a winding two lane road toward the river crossing. When I broke into the clearing before the bridge I noticed a majestic bald eagle gracefully catching the morning thermals as they rose off the rock banks of the river.

You know, when I was a kid I never saw a bald eagle. I lived where I could spend the afternoon walking along still remaining parts of Daniel Boone's path across the Blue Ridge mountains. The reason I mention that now is because one of the first actions of the EPA was the administration of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act. It is that act, and that act alone, that is responsible for the saving of the Bald Eagle. Thanks to the EPA, my grandkids can grow up seeing Bald Eagles.

Maybe you have to pay attention. But in my younger days you could see the trees dying along the ridge line. It was not disease. It was not parasites. It was acid rain. Then Congress passed amendments to the Clean Air Act in 1990, and emissions declined significantly. The forest have recovered, the streams are less acidic, and we all benefit.

I don't think people understand. The EPA works for US. It is the one safeguard we have against industries. Industries that very structure encourages them to "externalize" the cost of their activities. Weakening the EPA can't possibly be seen as a win for the American people.

Besides, that whole "Winning" meme didn't work out so well in the end the first time it made it's rounds. I don't think I would be recycling it now.
This would have been back when the EPA made choices based on existing science.
Today's EPA sets the agenda first and then does the science to meet that agenda.
 
So we have a pristine environment here. That must follow, using you own argument, we have a weak and ineffective federal government.

What will your logic tell you when you begun railing against our strong and overreaching federal government? That's a spiky narrow fence you're sitting on there!
The EPA is destroying our environment....,
How? The NESHAP regulations? CERCLA? Safe Work Practice guidelines? Specifically how?
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
You a hoaxer?
What manner of hoax do you suppose I'd commit? Just tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment. You said it, now explain it.
 
LOL, would you like to try and take the test for a CDL Class A license?

If you can pass that test, then you're perfectly qualified to drive. Driving isn't about class time, driving is about experience. I don't care if you take a six month class to drive a truck, it's something you actually have to do to get good at.

In my company, my boss got sick of trying to find Class A drivers, so now he's promoting from within. He offers our straight truck drivers the opportunity to upgrade to drive tractor--trailer. So far it's working pretty well. But even though they drive straight trucks now, they have to take the test all over again for tractor-trailer. Everyone of them failed the first time and had to go back to get tested again. One guy that did it is a very good tractor-trailer driver given his experience, and even he failed the first time.

The real problem we have today are foreigners. Some of them can't speak or read English. I have no idea how they find places or get around. They are terrible drivers to boot. Every couple of months, some foreigner runs up to me and says "Mister, mister! Please back in trailer for me, I don't know how!" I have no idea how these people get a license to drive in this country. I suspect we honor CDL"s from Mexico or Canada, and they are driving on our roads today.
. I know what your mean about foreigner drivers that are being hired not to fill badly needed driver positions, but mainly it is because corporations won't have to pay American workers good money to do the job. Every dam excuse in the book has been used to replace Americans with cheap labor from abroad. There should be huge trailer parking facilities on the border, where as goods coming from Mexico are brought to the border, but then the load is transferred at this point to American drivers to finish the trip of the goods destination. Vice-a-versa.

As usual, it's all politics. If we did that, then other countries would demand we do the same by halting deliveries to Canada and Mexico.

It's not a bad paying job depending on what you do and where you go. Some over the road jobs pay close to six figures and local jobs in the 50K a year range plus benefits. Overtime? Make even more.

If we could halt all immigration to this country including work Visa's, the pay would have to increase because these sleaze ball places would have no choice but to offer more. If nobody will work for you, then you close down.

Another thing would be getting government off of our ass and make things fair for us. When you get a CDL, you lose some of your constitutional rights and there's nothing you can do about it.
. What do you mean it's all politics ?? So you think that foreign drivers out of Mexico should be able to drive on the same roads that you drive on here, but not have to carry the same credentials that you carry on you as is demanded by government, nor do they have to have the same level of training, nor do they have to have the same standard Dot health card that you have to have ???? Wow.

Not at all. I don't want them anywhere near me. But like I said, it's all politics. The transportation companies here would be outraged if we couldn't make deliveries to their countries.

I think if you want to drive in another country, you should have to obtain one of their licenses. Take the same tests we have to take. Make sure they are safe enough to drive here.

I have to take a physical every year. I'm willing to bet some of these drivers from Mexico haven't seen a doctor in ten years. Because of my disabilities, I'm barely holding on to a job right now, in the meantime, some foreigner who is in much worse shape than I am are driving all over this country.
. The pay should be the same as well, but not put to the level of third world countries, but instead if they cross that border with a load coming in, then they should have the same level of qualifications, and the same pay. This takes away the thinking by corporations here to then think to themselves "hey one day we will replace the so called lazy American with these cheap foreign drivers", just like they did with so many other jobs that caused the dam mess that America had gotten itself into.

They already are replacing Americans with foreigners. They are everywhere.

If we start to drastically cut down our social programs for those that are physically and mentally capable of working, Americans will take those jobs that currently cannot be filled. As long as we have a choice of working or not working yet living comfortably, it's not brain surgery to figure out what many will choose.
 
The EPA is destroying our environment....,
How? The NESHAP regulations? CERCLA? Safe Work Practice guidelines? Specifically how?
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
You a hoaxer?
What manner of hoax do you suppose I'd commit? Just tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment. You said it, now explain it.
I take it you are a hoaxer....therein lies one answer to your fucked up environazi fascism.....
 
All I can tell you is what I seen and experienced. One of our customers is a crate producer. They manufacture crates the size of suit cases to the size of a tractor-trailer. When I delivered those crates to companies moving overseas, I always tried to ask people WTF was happening? Many times I had discussions with the plant manager or actual owner of the companies. It was a consensus. Nobody wants to leave their own country unless they have no other choice. It's either leave the country or state, or join your former workers in the unemployment line.

Sounds like we have an economic system that refuses to pay for labor what it takes labor in america to live.

It's not just labor. Labor is only part of the reason. A company won't move halfway across the world to pay workers $6.00 less per hour. Shipping costs would exceed such savings.

It's a lot of things that move jobs out of the country. We keep putting more straws on the camels back month by month, year by year, until the camel finally collapses. Then we blame rich people for the problem.

Why would we blame rich people, we bailed out Wall Street with socialism, we love the wealthy.

You're missing something, american wealth generation is no longer tied to work or production, it is created fictionally in the financial services sector. Growing wealth in this society is merely a growing of debt. And it is utterly unsustainable.

You people blame the rich for everything. You don't want to look at the big picture. Trump has the right message: buy American. How can you have a society with good paying jobs and cheap products? You can't. You have to choose one or the other.

In recent years, we chose cheap products. The cheaper, the better. None of those Walmart shoppers give a rats ass if they are putting Americans out of work through their purchases.

Since the US consumers demand cheap products, American manufacturers have to provide. They do that by getting rid of humans and replacing us with automation, they do that by keeping wages as low as possible, they do that by moving out of a state where they are trapped by a union and go to another state or even another country.
. Consumers can't do anything or choose anything without the rich providing the platform, goods and services recieved. If the rich have created some kind of get filthy rich system that no one can escape, then how does the consumer get blamed for that ?? The whole dam system of things we all have been experiencing was by design. Think tanks created this bull crap, and then it was slowly and precisely implemented over the years. Have to have lived through when America was better, products was better, and then watched as it all went down.

Manufacturers don't call the shots--consumers do. It's not a plot by any stretch of the imagination.

If we consumers decided we wanted more expensive American made products, that's what Walmart and their suppliers will provide. But Walmart became number one because they did sell cheap imported products, and the consumers responded.

Why can't you find many American made products in stores today? Because very few if any shoppers will buy them. Americans don't look at where the product is made, Americans look at price.

You see two 50 foot stands of Christmas lights; one is $5.99 made in China, and the other is $15.99 made in the USA, which strands do you think will sell the most?
 
. I know what your mean about foreigner drivers that are being hired not to fill badly needed driver positions, but mainly it is because corporations won't have to pay American workers good money to do the job. Every dam excuse in the book has been used to replace Americans with cheap labor from abroad. There should be huge trailer parking facilities on the border, where as goods coming from Mexico are brought to the border, but then the load is transferred at this point to American drivers to finish the trip of the goods destination. Vice-a-versa.

As usual, it's all politics. If we did that, then other countries would demand we do the same by halting deliveries to Canada and Mexico.

It's not a bad paying job depending on what you do and where you go. Some over the road jobs pay close to six figures and local jobs in the 50K a year range plus benefits. Overtime? Make even more.

If we could halt all immigration to this country including work Visa's, the pay would have to increase because these sleaze ball places would have no choice but to offer more. If nobody will work for you, then you close down.

Another thing would be getting government off of our ass and make things fair for us. When you get a CDL, you lose some of your constitutional rights and there's nothing you can do about it.
. What do you mean it's all politics ?? So you think that foreign drivers out of Mexico should be able to drive on the same roads that you drive on here, but not have to carry the same credentials that you carry on you as is demanded by government, nor do they have to have the same level of training, nor do they have to have the same standard Dot health card that you have to have ???? Wow.

Not at all. I don't want them anywhere near me. But like I said, it's all politics. The transportation companies here would be outraged if we couldn't make deliveries to their countries.

I think if you want to drive in another country, you should have to obtain one of their licenses. Take the same tests we have to take. Make sure they are safe enough to drive here.

I have to take a physical every year. I'm willing to bet some of these drivers from Mexico haven't seen a doctor in ten years. Because of my disabilities, I'm barely holding on to a job right now, in the meantime, some foreigner who is in much worse shape than I am are driving all over this country.
. The pay should be the same as well, but not put to the level of third world countries, but instead if they cross that border with a load coming in, then they should have the same level of qualifications, and the same pay. This takes away the thinking by corporations here to then think to themselves "hey one day we will replace the so called lazy American with these cheap foreign drivers", just like they did with so many other jobs that caused the dam mess that America had gotten itself into.

They already are replacing Americans with foreigners. They are everywhere.

If we start to drastically cut down our social programs for those that are physically and mentally capable of working, Americans will take those jobs that currently cannot be filled. As long as we have a choice of working or not working yet living comfortably, it's not brain surgery to figure out what many will choose.
. OK Ray, but here is the current problem or delema. The corps affectively got rid of unions in many industries over time, and killed the independent trucking industries ability to collectively strike if things got out of hand. OK, so once all that took place, then the only union the worker had was the federal government to carry them on these programs if it got to where the corps decided to crack down on the worker even more (getting them to compete with third world labor rates), and if the American workers didn't like that, then they effectively are replacing them with third world labor here. So I ask you Ray, how dam cheap do you think an American worker should be pushed to work for Ray ??? No one likes being on government assistance Ray, but if put into a situation where you are being caught between a rock and a hard place in all of this mess, then before you kiss that corrupt bastards ace that is trying to screw you over, you just might be glad those benefits are there until you can get out of the situation. The feds all but took over where the unions left off, but that wasn't a good thing either. One thing history has shown, and that is that there has to be representation of some sort for the workers if dealing with a large scale catastrophe if things go very wrong.
 
How? The NESHAP regulations? CERCLA? Safe Work Practice guidelines? Specifically how?
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
You a hoaxer?
What manner of hoax do you suppose I'd commit? Just tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment. You said it, now explain it.
I take it you are a hoaxer....therein lies one answer to your fucked up environazi fascism.....
Who can blame you for making such an assumption. You're a flame thrower. A grenade tossed. You make an outlandish claim, refuse to explain it and call me a name! You and your leader share the same small intellect, massive ego, casual acquaintance with the truth and the same refusal to engage. You're well suited for the next four years. Just try a little harder to be taken seriously.
 
Sounds like we have an economic system that refuses to pay for labor what it takes labor in america to live.

It's not just labor. Labor is only part of the reason. A company won't move halfway across the world to pay workers $6.00 less per hour. Shipping costs would exceed such savings.

It's a lot of things that move jobs out of the country. We keep putting more straws on the camels back month by month, year by year, until the camel finally collapses. Then we blame rich people for the problem.

Why would we blame rich people, we bailed out Wall Street with socialism, we love the wealthy.

You're missing something, american wealth generation is no longer tied to work or production, it is created fictionally in the financial services sector. Growing wealth in this society is merely a growing of debt. And it is utterly unsustainable.

You people blame the rich for everything. You don't want to look at the big picture. Trump has the right message: buy American. How can you have a society with good paying jobs and cheap products? You can't. You have to choose one or the other.

In recent years, we chose cheap products. The cheaper, the better. None of those Walmart shoppers give a rats ass if they are putting Americans out of work through their purchases.

Since the US consumers demand cheap products, American manufacturers have to provide. They do that by getting rid of humans and replacing us with automation, they do that by keeping wages as low as possible, they do that by moving out of a state where they are trapped by a union and go to another state or even another country.
. Consumers can't do anything or choose anything without the rich providing the platform, goods and services recieved. If the rich have created some kind of get filthy rich system that no one can escape, then how does the consumer get blamed for that ?? The whole dam system of things we all have been experiencing was by design. Think tanks created this bull crap, and then it was slowly and precisely implemented over the years. Have to have lived through when America was better, products was better, and then watched as it all went down.

Manufacturers don't call the shots--consumers do. It's not a plot by any stretch of the imagination.

If we consumers decided we wanted more expensive American made products, that's what Walmart and their suppliers will provide. But Walmart became number one because they did sell cheap imported products, and the consumers responded.

Why can't you find many American made products in stores today? Because very few if any shoppers will buy them. Americans don't look at where the product is made, Americans look at price.

You see two 50 foot stands of Christmas lights; one is $5.99 made in China, and the other is $15.99 made in the USA, which strands do you think will sell the most?
. I would buy the $15.99 dollar stand, and this was because I would be after the lights that last 20 years instead of 2 years, but the options are going away because historic American companies found themselves in a situation where they could no longer compete against cheap goods that the beat down low wage Americans could only afford. It was all by design these things have taken place Ray. Not sure how old you are, but I have lived long enough to have seen it all go down. I am a realist Ray, and I know what has happened over time.
 
Do you work for the EPA? :lol:
No. I'm an environmental engineer.

So tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment.
You a hoaxer?
What manner of hoax do you suppose I'd commit? Just tell me specifically how the EPA is destroying our environment. You said it, now explain it.
I take it you are a hoaxer....therein lies one answer to your fucked up environazi fascism.....
Who can blame you for making such an assumption. You're a flame thrower. A grenade tossed. You make an outlandish claim, refuse to explain it and call me a name! You and your leader share the same small intellect, massive ego, casual acquaintance with the truth and the same refusal to engage. You're well suited for the next four years. Just try a little harder to be taken seriously.
An assumption you did not deny.....thanks....

Now, there is your answer, child....
 

It was early in the morning, the heat burning off the fog, as I drove down a winding two lane road toward the river crossing. When I broke into the clearing before the bridge I noticed a majestic bald eagle gracefully catching the morning thermals as they rose off the rock banks of the river.

You know, when I was a kid I never saw a bald eagle. I lived where I could spend the afternoon walking along still remaining parts of Daniel Boone's path across the Blue Ridge mountains. The reason I mention that now is because one of the first actions of the EPA was the administration of the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act. It is that act, and that act alone, that is responsible for the saving of the Bald Eagle. Thanks to the EPA, my grandkids can grow up seeing Bald Eagles.

Maybe you have to pay attention. But in my younger days you could see the trees dying along the ridge line. It was not disease. It was not parasites. It was acid rain. Then Congress passed amendments to the Clean Air Act in 1990, and emissions declined significantly. The forest have recovered, the streams are less acidic, and we all benefit.

I don't think people understand. The EPA works for US. It is the one safeguard we have against industries. Industries that very structure encourages them to "externalize" the cost of their activities. Weakening the EPA can't possibly be seen as a win for the American people.

Besides, that whole "Winning" meme didn't work out so well in the end the first time it made it's rounds. I don't think I would be recycling it now.
You stories have been shown to be mostly fiction.
 

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