Trump OKs Keystone pipeline....

[TNHarley]

Did you guys know Trans Canada tried to sue/is suing us for violation of NAFTA? The very fucking thing you people want redone?

 

[Tom Horn]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

 

[TNHarley]

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

Link?

Really? Do you REALLY need as link for ED?

So, you have no link....huh.....

OMG
TransCanada Tries To Seize U.S. Land For Keystone Pipeline
Texas judge rules in favor of TransCanada in eminent domain case
Keystone XL Eminent Domain Map

 

[TNHarley]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

American companies aren't the ones suing us.
=

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Did you guys know Trans Canada tried to sue/is suing us for violation of NAFTA? The very fucking thing you people want redone?

Might it be that's one more reason for the renegotiation of NAFTA?

 

[Tom Horn]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

American companies aren't the ones suing us.
=

I give up.

 

[TNHarley]

Did you guys know Trans Canada tried to sue/is suing us for violation of NAFTA? The very fucking thing you people want redone?

Might it be that's one more pro for the renegotiation of NAFTA?

I want it fixed more than anyone.

 

[Redfish]

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

having an easement is not ownership. Do you think the utility companies OWN the easements on your property?

What is the name of this "foreign company"? that you are so pissed about.

Im not much for semantics of my arguments. Some people don't want that shit in their back yard. Its their fucking property. And while ED might be necessary in some cases, it shouldn't include a FOREIGN company.

where do you live? Half of Hawaii is owned by Japanese and Chinese, as is a large portion of California. Giving an easement via ED is not ownership. Geez man, you are making a fool of yourself here.

 

[TNHarley]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

American companies aren't the ones suing us.
=

I give up.

So Trans Canada suing us is really American companies suing us?

 

[BluesLegend]

All I know is my truck takes 48 gallons of diesel so lets get going on drilling and building pipelines.

AMEN! My XLT Lariat 4x4 gets 12 mpg whether I'm hauling a load of bricks or an empty beer can.

Discount gas price (87 octane) in Phoenix today....$1.99 I can live with that.

I'm paying $2.89 for diesel up here in liberal tax happy land Washington State.

 

[TNHarley]

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

having an easement is not ownership. Do you think the utility companies OWN the easements on your property?

What is the name of this "foreign company"? that you are so pissed about.

Im not much for semantics of my arguments. Some people don't want that shit in their back yard. Its their fucking property. And while ED might be necessary in some cases, it shouldn't include a FOREIGN company.

where do you live? Half of Hawaii is owned by Japanese and Chinese, as is a large portion of California. Giving an easement via ED is not ownership. Geez man, you are making a fool of yourself here.

Its their land dude. That's my problem. Americans are getting sued by trans Canada to use their land against their will. I don't give a fuck if its just an easement. Its their property and trans Canada isn't even AMERICAN.

 

[Tom Horn]

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

American companies aren't the ones suing us.
=

I give up.

So Trans Canada suing us is really American companies suing us?

Read the this thread from the beginning....all will be revealed, grasshopper.

 

[BluesLegend]

All I know is my truck takes 48 gallons of diesel so lets get going on drilling and building pipelines.

AMEN! My XLT Lariat 4x4 gets 12 mpg whether I'm hauling a load of bricks or an empty beer can.

Discount gas price in Phoenix today....$1.99 I can live with that.

My 69 Dodge charger gets maybe 4 - 8 miles to the gallon…

Good lord, dual Holley four barrels or do you pop wheelies between lights?

 

[kiwiman127]

Personally, I think using pipelines to move oil is much more safer for the environment and people.
Transporting oil by train has proven dangerous for the environment and could cause death tolls in heavily populated area if there is one of the too common derailments.
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But at the same time, I see this as a negative, particularly because it breaks another treaty with the Native Americans and what is highly important to them.
Let me put it this way, if the Dakota Pipeline was scheduled to go through one of Donald Trumps golf courses, it definitely would be diverted. But in this case, it's only Native Americans and who gives a shit about that minority and their heritage.

you know there is pipeline everywhere, even under golf courses. WTF are you talking about?

Think about it with an open mind.
Fight the 'blight' of windfarms near my golf courses, Trump urges Ukip leader

 

[BluesLegend]

All I know is my truck takes 48 gallons of diesel so lets get going on drilling and building pipelines.

AMEN! My XLT Lariat 4x4 gets 12 mpg whether I'm hauling a load of bricks or an empty beer can.

Discount gas price in Phoenix today....$1.99 I can live with that.

Must be a 460, or a V10. My XL 250 4x4 diesel gets 17 on the interstate @ 80 mph, while on secondary roads get 20 @ 70 mph. But diesel prices are creeping up. The last time I fueled up it was $2.40/gl.

My 2017 F350 4x4 long bed crew cab behemoth diesel gets 15 around town and near 20 on the interstate.

 

[BluesLegend]

All I know is my truck takes 48 gallons of diesel so lets get going on drilling and building pipelines.

AMEN! My XLT Lariat 4x4 gets 12 mpg whether I'm hauling a load of bricks or an empty beer can.

Discount gas price in Phoenix today....$1.99 I can live with that.

Must be a 460, or a V10. My XL 250 4x4 diesel gets 17 on the interstate @ 80 mph, while on secondary roads get 20 @ 70 mph. But diesel prices are creeping up. The last time I fueled up it was $2.40/gl.

VINTAGE '85 351....I won't drive anything with a fucking airbag. I've been in enough pileups to know the first hit usually isn't the last hit so I don't want a pillow in the face while I'm trying to steer clear of further mayhem.

My '89 XLT 4x4 /460got 9mpg loaded or empty, but I could pass anyithng on the road except a gas station

You are a cubic inch hoarder, you need to redistribute some cubic inches to Prius owners.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Personally, I think using pipelines to move oil is much more safer for the environment and people.
Transporting oil by train has proven dangerous for the environment and could cause death tolls in heavily populated area if there is one of the too common derailments.
View attachment 108482
But at the same time, I see this as a negative, particularly because it breaks another treaty with the Native Americans and what is highly important to them.
Let me put it this way, if the Dakota Pipeline was scheduled to go through one of Donald Trumps golf courses, it definitely would be diverted. But in this case, it's only Native Americans and who gives a shit about that minority and their heritage.

you know there is pipeline everywhere, even under golf courses. WTF are you talking about?

And your point is?

Didn't your hero Ted Kennedy fight against wind farms in his Liberal utopia of Martha's Vineyard?

Think about it with an open mind.
Fight the 'blight' of windfarms near my golf courses, Trump urges Ukip leader

 

[TNHarley]

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

You keep talking about a "foreign company"....the Bakken is AMERICAN companies. Trans-Canada tar-sand oil is only a part of the flow to Houston and they will pay a pretty penny to use the pipeline since their oil is land-locked and they have to sit across from Trump at the negotiating table.

American companies aren't the ones suing us.
=

I give up.

So Trans Canada suing us is really American companies suing us?

Read the this thread from the beginning....all will be revealed, grasshopper.

God no. Can you direct me to anything that will make me understand?

 

[Redfish]

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

having an easement is not ownership. Do you think the utility companies OWN the easements on your property?

What is the name of this "foreign company"? that you are so pissed about.

Im not much for semantics of my arguments. Some people don't want that shit in their back yard. Its their fucking property. And while ED might be necessary in some cases, it shouldn't include a FOREIGN company.

where do you live? Half of Hawaii is owned by Japanese and Chinese, as is a large portion of California. Giving an easement via ED is not ownership. Geez man, you are making a fool of yourself here.

Its their land dude. That's my problem. Americans are getting sued by trans Canada to use their land against their will. I don't give a fuck if its just an easement. Its their property and trans Canada isn't even AMERICAN.

The pipelines built in the USA and will create American jobs. Eminent domain has pros and cons, always has. In this case most people believe that the pros outweigh the cons. You differ, and that's just fine. But the pipeline will be built, crude will flow safely to American refineries both from Canada and the USA, and the landowners will be fairly compensated for the use of their land.

BTW, AGW is a hoax. The world will run on fossil fuels for many years to come and man is not changing the climate of planet earth. But, having said that, we should be pursuing all forms of energy and going balls to the wall with them when they become financially viable.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

All I know is my truck takes 48 gallons of diesel so lets get going on drilling and building pipelines.

AMEN! My XLT Lariat 4x4 gets 12 mpg whether I'm hauling a load of bricks or an empty beer can.

Discount gas price in Phoenix today....$1.99 I can live with that.

Must be a 460, or a V10. My XL 250 4x4 diesel gets 17 on the interstate @ 80 mph, while on secondary roads get 20 @ 70 mph. But diesel prices are creeping up. The last time I fueled up it was $2.40/gl.

VINTAGE '85 351....I won't drive anything with a fucking airbag. I've been in enough pileups to know the first hit usually isn't the last hit so I don't want a pillow in the face while I'm trying to steer clear of further mayhem.

My '89 XLT 4x4 /460got 9mpg loaded or empty, but I could pass anyithng on the road except a gas station

You are a cubic inch hoarder, you need to redistribute some cubic inches to Prius owners.

Naw, I wore that '89 out a few years ago. I now have an '08 F250 4x4 diesel. Thank gawd the bottom fell out of fuel prices a while back. We were spending upwards of $5.00 /gl before that.