Trump OKs Keystone pipeline....

[owebo]

Who doesn't love using fascism to force people to go against their own will/land to appease a foreign company?

A good deal of the oil flowing through XL will be from the Bakkan fields in N. Dakota.

Which is now flowing to domestic markets. Completion of XL will transfer that production to foreign markets.

Oil is fungible idiot....

 

[Tom Horn]

Diesel is the ticket. And yes, it is all about getting the tar sands to international markets.

Fact Checking on Keystone XL and Exports - Oil Change International

Your link uses the term "fossil fuels" which exposes it as fraudulent. Oil is an abiotic resource found FAR BELOW the level any plant or animal matter ever existed.

Look, Rex Tillerson is a FRAUD.

“The world is going to have to continue using fossil fuels, whether they like it or not.”

ExxonMobil CEO: ending oil production 'not acceptable for humanity'

No, he has to address you morons in the terms you think in, not industry specific definitions.

 

[Tom Horn]

President Trump has also told the Dept of Interior to use AMERICAN steel for the Keystone XL leg to end the leftist charade that it would use cheap chinese crap.

 

[Siete]

President Trump has also told the Dept of Interior to use AMERICAN steel for the Keystone XL leg to end the leftist charade that it would use cheap chinese crap.

too late, pipe comes from India.

well, not all of it ..

We estimate 821,000 tons of high strength line pipe will be used on the project in Canada and the U.S. TransCanada has estimated it will use 660,000 tons of steel for the U.S. portion of the Keystone XL pipeline. The following are the line pipe mills who are manufacturing the pipe:

• Welspun - Little Rock, Arkansas, USA 332,800 tons 50%
• Evraz – Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada 156,266 tons 24%
• ILVA – Italy 103,147 tons 16%
• Welspun - India 69,457 tons 10%

It is important to understand pipeline companies do not purchase raw steel. Rather, we purchase sophisticated manufactured products such as high strength steel pipe and pumps that are fabricated from steel and other metals. It is the responsibility of the manufacturers of these products to source the necessary raw materials and to produce a product that meets all relevant regulations, codes and our internal specifications.


which goes to show Trump is full of shit, and his little bots eat it as fast as they can, no questions asked.

 

[TNHarley]

The people of the northern plains, the ones actually living here generally want the pipeline… Fact

Is that why there are hundreds of cases in the court system?

The bigger issue up here is the easement issue. Of course the mainstream media wants to put some type of sacred Indian burial ground bull shit or some tree hugging polar bear drowning shit as the case.

But if it were to go to the popular vote in this area more people would vote for it then against it up here.

I get that. But considering how many people they have to take to court over it shows that the people actually affected aren't too thrilled considering they are fighting to not have their land taken by a foreign company.

 

[TNHarley]

The people of the northern plains, the ones actually living here generally want the pipeline… Fact

Is that why there are hundreds of cases in the court system?

There were by folks who wanted a better price for access. An oil pipeline is only a few feet wide and either buried or on stands as opposed to access an electric transmission line or a highway would require. The civil part of the Keystone XL is adjudicated. The only reason for the hold-up is moonbeam leftists claiming environmental issues when the truth is they hate oil production.

Environmental issue is bullshit IMO. Pipelines are safer than their warren buffets rail cars!

 

[Redfish]

then remove the eminent domain laws from our national statutes. That's the way it works and the people are paid the appraised value of the land. You can hold out if you don't like the offer, many do that. But eventually a deal will be made. If you don't like that, change the law, otherwise deal with reality.

I think eminent domain, a lot fo times, is necessary. But this is for a FOREIGN company. You can sit there and do the cliché of telling me to change the law but that doesn't change the fact Americans are getting fucked for a foreign company.

the Canadian crude is going to American refineries. The jobs building the pipeline will be American jobs. The management and maintenance of the pipeline will be done by Americans. Canada will sell its crude to someone, This is not to help Canada, its to create American jobs.

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

 

[owebo]

President Trump has also told the Dept of Interior to use AMERICAN steel for the Keystone XL leg to end the leftist charade that it would use cheap chinese crap.

too late, pipe comes from India.

Um...no....

 

[TNHarley]

I think eminent domain, a lot fo times, is necessary. But this is for a FOREIGN company. You can sit there and do the cliché of telling me to change the law but that doesn't change the fact Americans are getting fucked for a foreign company.

the Canadian crude is going to American refineries. The jobs building the pipeline will be American jobs. The management and maintenance of the pipeline will be done by Americans. Canada will sell its crude to someone, This is not to help Canada, its to create American jobs.

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

 

[Theowl32]

 

[owebo]

the Canadian crude is going to American refineries. The jobs building the pipeline will be American jobs. The management and maintenance of the pipeline will be done by Americans. Canada will sell its crude to someone, This is not to help Canada, its to create American jobs.

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

 

[TNHarley]

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

 

[Tom Horn]

President Trump has also told the Dept of Interior to use AMERICAN steel for the Keystone XL leg to end the leftist charade that it would use cheap chinese crap.

too late, pipe comes from India.

well, not all of it ..

We estimate 821,000 tons of high strength line pipe will be used on the project in Canada and the U.S. TransCanada has estimated it will use 660,000 tons of steel for the U.S. portion of the Keystone XL pipeline. The following are the line pipe mills who are manufacturing the pipe:

• Welspun - Little Rock, Arkansas, USA 332,800 tons 50%
• Evraz – Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada 156,266 tons 24%
• ILVA – Italy 103,147 tons 16%
• Welspun - India 69,457 tons 10%

It is important to understand pipeline companies do not purchase raw steel. Rather, we purchase sophisticated manufactured products such as high strength steel pipe and pumps that are fabricated from steel and other metals. It is the responsibility of the manufacturers of these products to source the necessary raw materials and to produce a product that meets all relevant regulations, codes and our internal specifications.


which goes to show Trump is full of shit, and his little bots eat it as fast as they can, no questions asked.

What part of TO BE RENEGOTIATED don't you understand? Your information is almost ten years old....your world-view is from the 1930s.

 

[Tom Horn]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

 

[Redfish]

the Canadian crude is going to American refineries. The jobs building the pipeline will be American jobs. The management and maintenance of the pipeline will be done by Americans. Canada will sell its crude to someone, This is not to help Canada, its to create American jobs.

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

having an easement is not ownership. Do you think the utility companies OWN the easements on your property?

What is the name of this "foreign company"? that you are so pissed about.

 

[owebo]

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

Link?

 

[TNHarley]

yes, im sure that's the purpose

MOST Importantly it is ENVIRONMENTALLY Beneficial and here is why!

GUESS what ??
NOW Canada will NOT be shipping via Oil Tanker 1 million barrels a day through the most ship wreck prone straits in the Northwest!
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL
Now add 365 tankers each carrying 1 million barrels traveling in these waters every year!

NOT now! Thank goodness Trump understood the environmental impact an Exxon Valdez once
a year is NOW reduced as it would have been without the Keystone!

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

having an easement is not ownership. Do you think the utility companies OWN the easements on your property?

What is the name of this "foreign company"? that you are so pissed about.

Im not much for semantics of my arguments. Some people don't want that shit in their back yard. Its their fucking property. And while ED might be necessary in some cases, it shouldn't include a FOREIGN company.

 

[TNHarley]

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

WTF? You mean Trans-Canada? Did you read my reply that a major portion of the XL oil will be from Bakken in N. Dakota and Montana?

No, i didn't see that one.
What importance would that have on my issue with this?

 

[TNHarley]

yes, its safer than rail cars but I don't care. That's not what I am upset about.

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

Link?

Really? Do you REALLY need as link for ED?

 

[owebo]

then what exactly is your issue?

I have done told you. Its a foreign company using American courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land to said company. Its a foreign company, they shouldn't use our laws against us.

Link to anyone not being paid for the deal they agreed to?

They are taking them to court and using eminent domain. It isn't an agreement. It is using our government to FORCE people to accommodate a FOREIGN company.
I cant seem to stress FOREIGN enough.

Link?

Really? Do you REALLY need as link for ED?

So, you have no link....huh.....