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The U.S. Constitution also specifies that the government must use due process to deprive any citizenship of life, liberty or property. No due process has been followed by ANY law enforcement personnel or court to charge, much less convict, President Trump of insurrection or conspiracy to commit insurrection. Yet that was the crime the Colorado court made up to use as an excuse to take him off the ballot.Some were convicted of seditious conspiracy, sedition, which is included in the same set of U.S. CODE as treason, insurrection, aiding the enemy from within or outside, and sedition etc.
The Constitution says clearly that no conviction is required for the disqualification....so a conviction is not required...it seems?
/-----/ 0311 claims the video of democRATs calling for violence is fake news. Who ya gonna believe, 0311 or your lying eyes and ears?/----/ "It is the same with “Stop the Steal” on J6."
No, it's not the same, you dolt. Now here is a call for violence that you seem unaware of. Got any of your fake outrage over these?
@SenatorTester said that in order to take on Trump, you have to “punch him in the face”
.@EricHolder told liberal activists that Michelle Obama was wrong; “When they go low, we go high. No. No. When they go low, we kick them."
Also in 2018, Sen. @CoryBooker told activists to “get up in the face of some congresspeople”
James Clapper echoed Lieu — and many other Democrats — saying Trump firing Mueller would result in a “firestorm … in the streets”
In 2019, when Trump was considering declaring a “national emergency” over the then-gov’t shutdown, Rep. @JoaquinCastrotx said if he did, Democrats would “fight him … in the streets”
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Here are six videos of Democrats calling for violence or physical confrontations that are still active on Twitter - Washington Examiner
Videos of Democrats during the Trump administration calling for their supporters to confront Republicans physically or warning of “civil unrest” on the streets are still active on Twitter. Rep. Maxine Waters, Rep. Ted Lieu, Sen. Cory Booker, Rep. Joaquin Castro, Sen. Jon Tester, and House...www.washingtonexaminer.com
Committee Report Context
By way of context, the report notes that the Metropolitan Police Department officially declared a riot at 1:49 p.m. and that U.S. Capitol Police had begun calling for backup from the National Guard.
Former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone told the committee that shortly after 2 p.m. he met Trump in the White House dining room. Cipollone declined to discuss his conversations with Trump, but Cipollone said he made it “pretty clear [to Trump] there needed to be an immediate and forceful response, statement, public statement, that people need to leave the Capitol now.” It was a view, he said, that was echoed by “virtually everyone among senior White House staff,” the reports states.
Indeed, the report states, senior staff prepared a message on a notecard for the president to put out, which read, “ANYONE WHO ENTERED THE CAPITOL ILLEGALLY WITHOUT PROPER AUTHORITY SHOULD LEAVE IMMEDIATELY.” (The word “ILLEGALLY” was crossed out in a revision.)
Protesters gather on Jan. 6, 2021, fueled by then-President Donald Trump’s continued claims of election fraud. Photo by Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images.
But Trump “declined to make the statement,” the report states.
Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson told the committee that she recalled Cipollone rushing into then-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows’ office and warning him that something needed to be done because things were getting out of hand and “people are going to die.” Cipollone told Meadows that they need to see Trump immediately, but Meadows replied, “He doesn’t want to do anything, Pat,” Hutchinson recalled.
Former Deputy Press Secretary Judd Deere told the committee that soon after the Capitol’s perimeter was breached, “he urged that the President make a statement telling the rioters to go home,” according to the report.
At 2:13 p.m., the report notes, “rioters broke into the Capitol and flooded the building.”
At 2:24 p.m., in his first public statement about the attack, Trump tweeted (and later deleted): “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
The tweet came on the heels of Trump urging Pence — both before and during his speech at the rally on the morning of Jan. 6, 2021 — to send the electoral votes back to the states to have them recertified. “I hope Mike is going to do the right thing,” Trump said during his speech at the rally. “I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election … So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do.”
Moments after Trump posted the tweet about Pence, it was read aloud by one of the protesters using a megaphone. Shortly after, the crowd began chanting, “Hang Mike Pence!”
Former Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger told the committee the tweet “looked like fuel being poured on the fire,” and he decided in that moment he would resign. Former Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews told the committee the tweet, “was essentially him giving the green light to these people, telling them that what they were doing at the steps of the Capitol and entering the Capitol was okay, that they were justified in their anger.”
Minutes after the president’s tweet about Pence, the committee’s report states, “the crowds both inside and outside of the Capitol building violently surged forward” and broke through a security line held by the Metropolitan Police Department’s civil disturbance unit.
As the violence at the Capitol escalated, the report notes, Meadows’ phone was flooded with messages from supporters urging the president to intervene. For example, at 2:32 p.m., Fox News anchor Laura Ingraham wrote to Meadows, “Hey Mark, The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home.”
And at 2:35 p.m., former acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney wrote, “Mark: he needs to stop this, now.”
As Trump watched Fox News images of “the chaos and attack, with tear gas filling the air in the Capitol Rotunda,” he issued a tweet at 2:38 p.m., stating: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
But many in Trump’s circle believed that wasn’t enough.
For example, at 2:53 p.m., Donald Trump Jr. texted to Meadows, “He’s got to condem [sic] this shit. Asap. The captiol [sic] police tweet is not enough.”
Matthews, the then-deputy press secretary, said she told her boss, then-Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, that she didn’t think the president’s tweet went far enough and “that I thought there needed to be a call to action and he needed to condemn the violence.”
Matthews said McEnany told her “in a hushed tone” that Trump didn’t even want to include “any sort of mention of peace in that tweet and that it took some convincing on their part, those who were in the room. And she said that there was a back and forth going over different phrases to find something that he was comfortable with. And it wasn’t until Ivanka Trump suggested the phrase ‘stay peaceful’ that he finally agreed to include it.”
Trump wrote another tweet at 3:13 p.m., asking everyone at the Capitol to “remain peaceful. No violence!” and to “respect the Law.”
But again, Trump did not tell everyone to go home.
At 3:31 p.m., Fox News anchor Sean Hannity texted Meadows, “Can he make a statement. I saw the tweet. Ask people to peacefully leave the capital [sic].”
According to the committee’s report, “Almost everyone, including staff in the White House also found the President’s 2:38 p.m. and 3:13 p.m. tweets to be insufficient because they did not instruct the rioters to leave the Capitol.” And despite urging from numerous White House aides and Trump confidantes, “None of these efforts resulted in President Trump immediately issuing the message that was needed,” the committee’s report states.
According to the committee’s report, “Evidence showed that neither of these tweets had any appreciable impact on the violent rioters. Unlike the video-message tweet that did not come until 4:17 finally instructing rioters to leave, neither the 2:38 nor the 3:13 tweets made any difference.”
As the discussion in the executive summary of the committee’s final report makes clear, the committee did not attempt to hide Trump’s social media posts from that day. And the report does not suggest that the tweets “fully exonerate” Trump, as he claimed.
/----/ So what President Trump actually said is meaningless. All that counts is what wild-eyed conspiracy boils up inside your skull. All that matters is what you wish he said.Trump Tweets cited by Cellblock2429 in #561 :
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Context is everything Saint Cellblock2429.
As Trump watched Fox News images of “the chaos and attack, with tear gas filling the air in the Capitol Rotunda,” he issued a tweet at 2:38 p.m., stating: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
DJT did not tell the rioters to leave.
If nobody pressured the leader and instigator of the J6 insurrection he would not have put his popcorn and soda down long enough to send them.
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to Two too late Trump Tweets cited by Cellblock2429 in #561
Trump most certainly told the protesters to go home now among those tweets and via texts.Trump Tweets cited by Cellblock2429 in #561 :
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Context is everything Saint Cellblock2429.
As Trump watched Fox News images of “the chaos and attack, with tear gas filling the air in the Capitol Rotunda,” he issued a tweet at 2:38 p.m., stating: “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
DJT did not tell the rioters to leave.
If nobody pressured the leader and instigator of the J6 insurrection he would not have put his popcorn and soda down long enough to send them.
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to Two too late Trump Tweets cited by Cellblock2429 in #561
I do think that due process is important, and the trump lawyers could have argued such in the court case, but instead they argued that the President was not included in the 14th section 3 as an officer, which was appropriately shot down, and argued presidential immunity...which was shot down, and from what I've read, never argued for his innocence??The U.S. Constitution also specifies that the government must use due process to deprive any citizenship of life, liberty or property. No due process has been followed by ANY law enforcement personnel or court to charge, much less convict, President Trump of insurrection or conspiracy to commit insurrection. Yet that was the crime the Colorado court made up to use as an excuse to take him off the ballot.
No ethical American can think that is okay much less defend it.
Trump most certainly told the protesters to go home now among those tweets and via texts.
Trump most certainly told the protesters to go home now among those tweets and via texts.
We see it very differently. And I have a hard time believing anybody who wants more of the destructive administration we've had the last three years is familiar with much of anything going on in the country. (If the DNC wanted him to run they would be objecting to weaponization of the judicial system to take him out.)I do think that due process is important, and the trump lawyers could have argued such in the court case, but instead they argued that the President was not included in the 14th section 3 as an officer, which was appropriately shot down, and argued presidential immunity...which was shot down, and from what I've read, never argued for his innocence??
The 14th section three makes no mention of conviction needed, for inelligibility, nor does it in Colorado state law....
Remember, this suit was brought by REPUBLICANs, with the help of a legal eagle non profit team, because they said harm to Republican candidate is occurring because an illegitimate, disqualified candidate is running against them in the Republican primary.
By the letter of the constitution, no conviction is required for the State to determine qualification to remove him, but I personally think there should be a codified process, to do so.
Unlike people on this board, the Democratic national party, want him to run, to bring out the Democratic voter to the polls.
I think that some of y'all are bloodthirsty idiots who won't be satisfied with less than shed blood, common sense and fair play need not apply.In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.” The ruling was 4-3 and will be placed on hold pending appeal until January 4.
More at the link below...
Colorado Supreme Court removes Trump from state's 2024 ballot
Very interesting. What do you think?
/-----/ 0311 claims the video of democRATs calling for violence is fake news. Who ya gonna believe, 0311 or your lying eyes and ears?
They did abide. As it turns out, you did not read a blog and as a result outsmart the lifetime judges.If the courts aren’t going to abide by the constitution and rule of law, the nation is a fucking joke.
Both parties claim to revere democracy. Wait... you thought the party names matter?But you have to admit, trying to prevent the people from voting for a specific candidate is an odd look for a party that claims to revere democracy.
/-----/ 0311 claims the video of democRATs calling for violence is fake news. Who ya gonna believe, 0311 or your lying eyes and ears?
