Trump starting to sell off our National Parks

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.



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I love the woods.

However, I also know the government fawks up everything it touches due to the lack of market forces.

I also know without protection the land gets raped based on companies passing off all the costs they can to society.

In PA, state campgrounds keep the private campgrounds in business due to a pet and alcohol ban. The private campgrounds are usually nicer. The State campgrounds have the benefit of being in the heart of the action.

National Parks is something the Government does well

Our National Parks are nothing short of spectacular. Tens of millions of Americans use them every year and they provide a low cost experience on a not for profit basis. Selling off the more lucrative venues of the parks on a for profit basis will reduce access for common Americans. Private campgrounds are nicer but they can cost you $50 or more a night

They're not selling shit. Enough with the lies already. They would be licensing people to run and maintain facilities.


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The answer by any consultant to government is always outsource - as the government pays way above market price it is low hanging fruit.

 

[jknowgood]

yet here we are. saying you should block what trump is doing cause the repubs blocked what obama was doing is a stupid argument...

The repugs are the ones blocking Trump, snowflake. His regime's made it pretty clear they have no interest in hearing from Democrats.

heh - right. the dems are doing nothing at all to hinder trump.

let's not get that stupid, ok?

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

 

[jknowgood]

So Trump is still winning!

 

[Cellblock2429]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.



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/---- I want to buy Jellystone National Park


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[BlackFlag]

The repugs are the ones blocking Trump, snowflake. His regime's made it pretty clear they have no interest in hearing from Democrats.

heh - right. the dems are doing nothing at all to hinder trump.

let's not get that stupid, ok?

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

Lol the Democrats don't own it. It's yours now. 61 repeals, and you dumb rubes can't pull off a 62nd now that it counts. You said it would be sooooo easy. Well, nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated, right?

 

[jknowgood]

heh - right. the dems are doing nothing at all to hinder trump.

let's not get that stupid, ok?

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

Lol the Democrats don't own it. It's yours now. 61 repeals, and you dumb rubes can't pull off a 62nd now that it counts. You said it would be sooooo easy. Well, nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated, right?

Not one republican voted for it. You own it. It's failing so fast even Obama doesn't talk about it anymore.

 

[BlackFlag]

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

Lol the Democrats don't own it. It's yours now. 61 repeals, and you dumb rubes can't pull off a 62nd now that it counts. You said it would be sooooo easy. Well, nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated, right?

Not one republican voted for it. You own it. It's failing so fast even Obama doesn't talk about it anymore.

Let it fail, dummy. You already failed on repeal. You spent years sabotaging the ACA and bragging about it, and now you are in complete control of its future. It's yours, snowflake.

 

[OKTexas]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.



.

I love the woods.

However, I also know the government fawks up everything it touches due to the lack of market forces.

I also know without protection the land gets raped based on companies passing off all the costs they can to society.

In PA, state campgrounds keep the private campgrounds in business due to a pet and alcohol ban. The private campgrounds are usually nicer. The State campgrounds have the benefit of being in the heart of the action.

National Parks is something the Government does well

Our National Parks are nothing short of spectacular. Tens of millions of Americans use them every year and they provide a low cost experience on a not for profit basis. Selling off the more lucrative venues of the parks on a for profit basis will reduce access for common Americans. Private campgrounds are nicer but they can cost you $50 or more a night

They're not selling shit. Enough with the lies already. They would be licensing people to run and maintain facilities.


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The answer by any consultant to government is always outsource - as the government pays way above market price it is low hanging fruit.

Evidently this is just an expansion of policies already in place. If those policies were problematic I seriously doubt they would be considering their expansion.


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[jknowgood]

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

Lol the Democrats don't own it. It's yours now. 61 repeals, and you dumb rubes can't pull off a 62nd now that it counts. You said it would be sooooo easy. Well, nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated, right?

Not one republican voted for it. You own it. It's failing so fast even Obama doesn't talk about it anymore.

Let it fail, dummy. You already failed on repeal. You spent years sabotaging the ACA and bragging about it, and now you are in complete control of its future. It's yours, snowflake.

The only thing that was done to it was the mandate was taken away. Other than that it's the same as it was from day one. Democrats own this one.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.
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Privatization is the dream of Republican's in general. They hate public employees with a passion, and see everything publicly administered by and run by civil service employees as a waste of an opportunity to turn a profit.

National Parks are the property of the population - owned by all of us. When we turn them into a private enterprise, we can expect the operator to increase profits by exploiting every aspect they can: Mining, oil exploration, wind power, solar power, water power; limiting what a camper can bring in, in terms of food and beverages, charging for water and garbage, power and leasing land to other operators setting the stage for neon lights, night clubs, casinos, etc.

its because you can't fire them if they fuck up. For certain things people need to be government employees, for others its far better to have the government provide high level management, auditing, and oversight, and let things be run by a contracted organization. That way if they suck, the government can get someone else to run it.

Plus the government doesn't have to worry about pensions or benefits, that's part of the cost of the contract.

Mass transit operations, road repair, DMV services, all can be contracted out.

Your initial sentence is untrue. Reagan fired all Air Traffic Controllers, Trump fired all US Attorney's, I recommended the termination of law enforcement deputies and HR fired many of them.

Most public agencies offer employment and require a period of probation, during which time they can be terminated, and I was trained that no cause for termination needs to be explained and no appeal rights existed for someone on probation.

 

[iceberg]

heh - right. the dems are doing nothing at all to hinder trump.

let's not get that stupid, ok?

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

and RUSSIA is? payback. nothing more. toss in bitterness and butthurt and we have RUSSIA.

The Russia investigation came from the FBI. Not from partisan hackery like Benghazi, the e-mails, birtherism, Uranium One, etc.

sure it did.

 

[BlackFlag]

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

I'm glad the republicans didn't repeal it. It's failing and the democrats own it 100%. So much for them in 2018.

Lol the Democrats don't own it. It's yours now. 61 repeals, and you dumb rubes can't pull off a 62nd now that it counts. You said it would be sooooo easy. Well, nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated, right?

Not one republican voted for it. You own it. It's failing so fast even Obama doesn't talk about it anymore.

Let it fail, dummy. You already failed on repeal. You spent years sabotaging the ACA and bragging about it, and now you are in complete control of its future. It's yours, snowflake.

The only thing that was done to it was the mandate was taken away. Other than that it's the same as it was from day one. Democrats own this one.

Nope you rubes also destroyed funding for high risk pools and sabotaged Medicaid expansion. And you have never worked to improve the bill and also prevented others from doing so. Now you are in total and complete control of what happens. Doing nothing or full repeal will result in 10's of millions losing healthcare. Passing Trumpcare will cost 10's of millions of people their healthcare. You could always repair the damage you did to the ACA, but that would be putting country before party. So can't have that.

The ball's in your court, dummy.

 

[BlackFlag]

Pugs voted 61 times to repeal the ACA. They could do that RIGHT NOW. But they won't. You don't wonder why?

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

and RUSSIA is? payback. nothing more. toss in bitterness and butthurt and we have RUSSIA.

The Russia investigation came from the FBI. Not from partisan hackery like Benghazi, the e-mails, birtherism, Uranium One, etc.

sure it did.

Started last July. The FBI didn't tell anybody because they, and this is absolutely hilarious/nauseating, they didn't want to influence the election.

 

[iceberg]

don't care. you're taking a singular issue and parading it around as if the only one to avoid the bigger question at hand.

you know damn good and well what i'm talking about so please don't expect me to chase your bag of crap.

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

and RUSSIA is? payback. nothing more. toss in bitterness and butthurt and we have RUSSIA.

The Russia investigation came from the FBI. Not from partisan hackery like Benghazi, the e-mails, birtherism, Uranium One, etc.

sure it did.

Started last July. The FBI didn't tell anybody because they, and this is absolutely hilarious/nauseating, they didn't want to influence the election.

right.

the amount of shit you're willing to eat when you hate someone is pretty impressive. this means we're a year into this almost and still have no actual evidence other than WE SAW YOU TALKING!!!!

 

[BlackFlag]

Singular issue? That was THE issue. And that Republicans refuse to repeal it a 62nd time now that they can proves their willingness to put party over country. It was all a political stunt.

and RUSSIA is? payback. nothing more. toss in bitterness and butthurt and we have RUSSIA.

The Russia investigation came from the FBI. Not from partisan hackery like Benghazi, the e-mails, birtherism, Uranium One, etc.

sure it did.

Started last July. The FBI didn't tell anybody because they, and this is absolutely hilarious/nauseating, they didn't want to influence the election.

right.

the amount of shit you're willing to eat when you hate someone is pretty impressive. this means we're a year into this almost and still have no actual evidence other than WE SAW YOU TALKING!!!!

Contact the FBI and tell them to stop then. Since you apparently have the clearance to know they have nothing, they'll listen to you.

 

[iceberg]

and RUSSIA is? payback. nothing more. toss in bitterness and butthurt and we have RUSSIA.

The Russia investigation came from the FBI. Not from partisan hackery like Benghazi, the e-mails, birtherism, Uranium One, etc.

sure it did.

Started last July. The FBI didn't tell anybody because they, and this is absolutely hilarious/nauseating, they didn't want to influence the election.

right.

the amount of shit you're willing to eat when you hate someone is pretty impressive. this means we're a year into this almost and still have no actual evidence other than WE SAW YOU TALKING!!!!

Contact the FBI and tell them to stop then. Since you apparently have the clearance to know they have nothing, they'll listen to you.

you mean like all have the clearance to know they have something so trump is guilty - we just need to wait for the dems to be proven the prophet?

wow. i never thought of it that way before!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.
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Privatization is the dream of Republican's in general. They hate public employees with a passion, and see everything publicly administered by and run by civil service employees as a waste of an opportunity to turn a profit.

National Parks are the property of the population - owned by all of us. When we turn them into a private enterprise, we can expect the operator to increase profits by exploiting every aspect they can: Mining, oil exploration, wind power, solar power, water power; limiting what a camper can bring in, in terms of food and beverages, charging for water and garbage, power and leasing land to other operators setting the stage for neon lights, night clubs, casinos, etc.

So when you go to the DMV you are pleased with your service and time, from those government employees?

I don't go to DMV, AAA provides everything I need and my CDL is renewed by mail. But, I did need to go when they FU and did not send a renewal notice, costing us an enormous late fee.

The experience sucked, not because of their explanation, which was bogus, but because the lines were out the door and that was do to staffing. In CA one can now make an appointment, and I understand that has been very effective in keeping lines down.

 

[hjmick]

Disneyland and Disney World are privatized parks and they're affordable, right? What's the issue? < sarcasm off >

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is looking at our parks as a cash cow
How much money can be made off of this?

If the people can no longer afford our parks.....there are plenty people who can

 

[rightwinger]

Wants to privatize campgrounds and turn them into for profit enterprises

Privatized campsites? Many fear prices could skyrocket

U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke says government shouldn’t be in the business of running campgrounds, so he wants to turn national park campsites over to private businesses.

A handful of companies already run campsites, lodging and concessions throughout the U.S. park system, but some fear widespread privatization could make recreation and camping prohibitively expensive in Western states.

Environmental groups say Zinke’s idea is in keeping with the Trump administration’s push to turn public resources over to private entities, as well as to increase privatization of public services, from toll booths and air-traffic control to prisons.
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Privatization is the dream of Republican's in general. They hate public employees with a passion, and see everything publicly administered by and run by civil service employees as a waste of an opportunity to turn a profit.

National Parks are the property of the population - owned by all of us. When we turn them into a private enterprise, we can expect the operator to increase profits by exploiting every aspect they can: Mining, oil exploration, wind power, solar power, water power; limiting what a camper can bring in, in terms of food and beverages, charging for water and garbage, power and leasing land to other operators setting the stage for neon lights, night clubs, casinos, etc.

The parks are ours

They are not there so that politically connected vendors can sell campsites to the highest bidder