Trumps 34 "Felonies", but this is not Lawfare

[CrusaderFrank]

Former President Donald J Trump faced 34 "Felony" Counts

Let's compare this to other dangerous criminals

The Manson Family: 27 counts (does this count as a sentence? asking for a friend)

"The defendants, who staged wild outbursts during their seven-month trial, sat passively as verdicts were returned on the 27 counts against them."
AP Was There: Cult leader Charles Manson and followers convicted for brutal California killings

The definition of financial fraudster Bernie Madoff faced 11 counts

"...Madoff with eleven felony charges including securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false"
United States V. Bernard L. Madoff And Related Cases

A top contributor to the democrat Party Sam Bankman Fried faced 7 counts

"On Thursday, Bankman-Fried was found guilty of two counts of wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, one count of conspiracy to commit commodities fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud."
Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all counts at fraud trial over crypto exchange FTX

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors, which passed the statute of limitations, was a greater crime than Madoff or SBF?

 

[okfine]

Trump made the list of dirtbags. He might not be on the top, but never the less, he made it.

 

[forkup]

Former President Donald J Trump faced 34 "Felony" Counts

Let's compare this to other dangerous criminals

The Manson Family: 27 counts (does this count as a sentence? asking for a friend)

"The defendants, who staged wild outbursts during their seven-month trial, sat passively as verdicts were returned on the 27 counts against them."
AP Was There: Cult leader Charles Manson and followers convicted for brutal California killings

The definition of financial fraudster Bernie Madoff faced 11 counts

"...Madoff with eleven felony charges including securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false"
United States V. Bernard L. Madoff And Related Cases

A top contributor to the democrat Party Sam Bankman Fried faced 7 counts

"On Thursday, Bankman-Fried was found guilty of two counts of wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, one count of conspiracy to commit commodities fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud."
Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all counts at fraud trial over crypto exchange FTX

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors, which passed the statute of limitations, was a greater crime than Madoff or SBF?

Wait, so your premise is, that it's not the severity of the charges, but the amount of charges that determines the severity?

Sounds nice and... crazy?

I'm pretty sure that one charge of first degree murder will be punished more severely than a hundred for possession of marijuana. Or in this case felonious falsification of business records.

You guys are so hellbent in trying to argue Trump is being a victim and NOT what he actually is. A criminal. That any argument no matter how objectively ridiculous will do.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wait, so your premise is, that it's not the severity of the charges, but the amount of charges that determines the severity?

Sounds nice and... crazy?

I'm pretty sure that one charge of first degree murder will be punished more severely than a hundred for possession of marijuana. Or in this case felonious falsification of business records.

You guys are so hellbent in trying to argue Trump is being a victim and NOT what he actually is. A criminal. That any argument no matter how objectively ridiculous will do.

So Hillary should face 33,000 felony counts one for each subpoenaed and deleted email, right Sparky?

 

[BluesLegend]

So Hillary should face 33,000 felony counts one for each subpoenaed and deleted email, right Sparky?

How many felonies did Joe Biden commit with decades of classified doc crimes?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Former President Donald J Trump faced 34 "Felony" Counts

Let's compare this to other dangerous criminals

The Manson Family: 27 counts (does this count as a sentence? asking for a friend)

"The defendants, who staged wild outbursts during their seven-month trial, sat passively as verdicts were returned on the 27 counts against them."
AP Was There: Cult leader Charles Manson and followers convicted for brutal California killings

The definition of financial fraudster Bernie Madoff faced 11 counts

"...Madoff with eleven felony charges including securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false"
United States V. Bernard L. Madoff And Related Cases

A top contributor to the democrat Party Sam Bankman Fried faced 7 counts

"On Thursday, Bankman-Fried was found guilty of two counts of wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, one count of conspiracy to commit commodities fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud."
Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all counts at fraud trial over crypto exchange FTX

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors, which passed the statute of limitations, was a greater crime than Madoff or SBF?

The problem is that the crazy Democrat Cult is blinded by their fanatical hate.
They don't understand that the indictment of Trump is illegitimate and 100% political.
The greedy corrupt Democrat Politicians exploit the hate and ignorance of their crazy cult.

 

[Blaster]

Trump is being targeted by Democrats because they fear him.

 

[martybegan]

The problem is that the crazy Democrat Cult is blinded by their fanatical hate.
They don't understand that the indictment of Trump is illegitimate and 100% political.
The greedy corrupt Democrat Politicians exploit the hate and ignorance of their crazy cult.

And they don't see that it will probably backfire on them spectacularly.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Former President Donald J Trump faced 34 "Felony" Counts

Let's compare this to other dangerous criminals

The Manson Family: 27 counts (does this count as a sentence? asking for a friend)

"The defendants, who staged wild outbursts during their seven-month trial, sat passively as verdicts were returned on the 27 counts against them."
AP Was There: Cult leader Charles Manson and followers convicted for brutal California killings

The definition of financial fraudster Bernie Madoff faced 11 counts

"...Madoff with eleven felony charges including securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false"
United States V. Bernard L. Madoff And Related Cases

A top contributor to the democrat Party Sam Bankman Fried faced 7 counts

"On Thursday, Bankman-Fried was found guilty of two counts of wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, one count of conspiracy to commit commodities fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud."
Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all counts at fraud trial over crypto exchange FTX

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors, which passed the statute of limitations, was a greater crime than Madoff or SBF?

The statute of limitations didn't expire for falsifying business records in the first degree because that is a felony.

If he was charged with falsifying business records in the 2nd degree, a misdemeanor, then you and Dercshowitz would be correct.

Why do you think Trump and his team didn't bring it up pretrial?

Do you think they were too stupid to consider the statute of limitations?

Oh, I mean no disrespect, but the above in bold is is probably the most ridiculous false equivalence I have ever seen in a political thread.

 

[forkup]

So Hillary should face 33,000 felony counts one for each subpoenaed and deleted email, right Sparky?

Sparky? We aren't talking about Hillary Clinton. We are talking about you using a reductio ad absurdium, by using a strawman, and a false equivalency. Just like this reply is another false equivalency now coupled with an appeal to hypocrisy with some condescension sprinkled in for good measure.

That's an impressive array of fallacies to try to support a position. And it's NOT accidental.

When you don't have good arguments, fallacious ones will do, if you're intellectually dishonest.

 

[jc456]

Trump made the list of dirtbags. He might not be on the top, but never the less, he made it.

when one's hatred and control can just make shit up, Sure!

 

[forkup]

The statute of limitations didn't expire for falsifying business records in the first degree because that is a felony.

If he was charged with falsifying business records in the 2nd degree, a misdemeanor, then you and Dercshowitz would be correct.

Why do you think Trump and his team didn't bring it up pretrial?

Do you think they were too stupid to consider the statute of limitations?

Oh, I mean no disrespect, but the above in bold is is probably the most ridiculous false equivalence I have ever seen in a political thread.

Not even close to the most ridiculous false equivalency in the politics section. For my money not even in the OP. Since it's premise is that because Trump had more charges than Charles Manson, Democrats believe he's worse than him.

 

[leftwinger]

The statute of limitations didn't expire for falsifying business records in the first degree because that is a felony.

Not true you dumb Marxist cow. Yes, the misdemeanors had expired. Hence the creation of an enhanced charge, "to conceal a 2nd crime" from a smorgasbord (non-unanimous) of choices to rise to a Felony without expired statue of limitations.

Then 34 identical crimes (payment plan) charged individually to make all appear worse? Poppycock 100%, like all LibStain GOVT and USMB posts also.
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But lots of people believe, as the prosecution said, that no, those were hush money campaign expenses, not legal expenses, so they were false. Okay, that’s step one, because Trump was not charged only with falsification of a business record. He was charged with falsifying a business record to conceal a second crime that he had already committed. That’s how the charges become felony charges.

If you’re wondering, it’s because he spaced out the payments over 12 months, generating three business records each time—almost three, you get to 34 counts of false business records. You may have read there are 34 counts. That’s the 34 counts.

But then the question is, what second crime is the state saying that he was trying to conceal through these allegedly false business records? So, it’s a two-step crime: falsifying business records in order to conceal a second crime that he had already committed.

So, what was the second crime? Well, that’s where things get tricky because the indictment didn’t say. The indictment said that he falsified business records to conceal a second crime, but it never said what the second crime was. And to this day, a lot of people are unsure what the jury thought because what the state did was it did not commit itself to what the second crime might be.”

 

[Catsnmeters]

Not even close to the most ridiculous false equivalency in the politics section. For my money not even in the OP. Since it's premise is that because Trump had more charges than Charles Manson, Democrats believe he's worse than him.

Yeah. Sure. That's what it means.

I guess if Charles Manson had murdered more people and Trump falsified less business documents, then Manson would be worse.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Not true you dumb Marxist cow.

Yes, true.

Trump was charged with a felony, not a misdemeanor.

Yes, it expired. Hence the creation of "to conceal a 2nd crime" from a smorgasbord (non-unanimous) of choices to rise to a Felony.

Not a "smorgasbord". The prosecutors attempted 4 but Merchan only approved of three.

Trump knew this. He says he didn't, but he is lying.

Then 34 identical crimes (payment plan) charged individually to make all appear worse?

I think that is typical for prosecution.

One charge for each count of business records falsified.

Poppycock 100%, like all LibStain GOVT and USMB posts also.

Your denial of facts means nothing to the courts.

 

[JLW]

Comparing Trump's case to Manson, Madoff and Bankman-Freid is among the most vacuous comparisons I have ever read. They're not remotely in the same ballpark.

However, I will admit that Frank comparing Trump to Madoff and Bankman-Freid on a personal level has some merit because they are all fraudsters. But even I can not see the comparison of Trump to Manson. That connection is solely in Frank's brain.

 

[Dragonlady]

Former President Donald J Trump faced 34 "Felony" Counts

Let's compare this to other dangerous criminals

The Manson Family: 27 counts (does this count as a sentence? asking for a friend)

"The defendants, who staged wild outbursts during their seven-month trial, sat passively as verdicts were returned on the 27 counts against them."
AP Was There: Cult leader Charles Manson and followers convicted for brutal California killings

The definition of financial fraudster Bernie Madoff faced 11 counts

"...Madoff with eleven felony charges including securities fraud, investment adviser fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, false"
United States V. Bernard L. Madoff And Related Cases

A top contributor to the democrat Party Sam Bankman Fried faced 7 counts

"On Thursday, Bankman-Fried was found guilty of two counts of wire fraud conspiracy, two counts of wire fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, one count of conspiracy to commit commodities fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit securities fraud."
Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all counts at fraud trial over crypto exchange FTX

Do any sane people believe that Trump more dangerous that the Manson Family?

Do any sane people believe that Trump's alleged misdemeanors, which passed the statute of limitations, was a greater crime than Madoff or SBF?

The Manson Family killed fewer than 10 people. A half million Americans died because of Trump's failed covid response. And the economy was crashed. Trump is far more dangerous than the Manson Family.

Trump is also trying to overthrow the US Government.

I didn't realize that there was a score card, based on the number of charges, but is Trump more dangerous than the Manson Family - absolutely YES.

 

[forkup]

Yeah. Sure. That's what it means.

I guess if Charles Manson had murdered more people and Trump falsified less business documents, then Manson would be worse.

Yes exactly. Don't you know that you determine the severity of a crime by adding the charges like it's a football score? Whoever gets the most wins a trip to jail.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How many felonies did Joe Biden commit with decades of classified doc crimes?

Hundreds! Plus he failed to register as a Foreign Agent

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The statute of limitations didn't expire for falsifying business records in the first degree because that is a felony.

If he was charged with falsifying business records in the 2nd degree, a misdemeanor, then you and Dercshowitz would be correct.

Why do you think Trump and his team didn't bring it up pretrial?

Do you think they were too stupid to consider the statute of limitations?

Oh, I mean no disrespect, but the above in bold is is probably the most ridiculous false equivalence I have ever seen in a political thread.

I think Coangelo trumped up the charges against him and this will be overturned on appeal

Do you believe OJ was innocent of killing Nicole and Ron too?