Trump's budget is SELFISH!!!

[healthmyths]

Trumps budget gives conservatives what they have been screaming for for ten years

Slashes taxes on the rich
Cuts environmental funding
Cuts Planned Parenthood, the arts, PBS
Cuts Medicaid
Cuts educational funding
Cuts food stamps
More money for the military and a useless wall

How Trump’s Budget Cuts Could Hurt Low-Income Americans” (CNN) and “If You’re a Poor Person in America, Trump’s Budget is Not For You” (Washington Post) were accompanied by a New York Times editorial describing the budget as a sadistic attempt to “impose pain for pain’s sake.”
Such headlines may lead people to wonder just how deeply President Trump’s budget proposal would cut federal anti-poverty spending below current levels: Ten percent? Twenty percent? More?
The answer is: zero.
In the (highly unlikely) event that every cut proposed by Trump is enacted, it would merely reduce next year’s spending level to approximately $798 billion. So instead of expanding 2.7 percent next year, the anti-poverty budget would expand by 1.9 percent.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/27/sorry-trumps-heartless-budget-doesnt-slash-the-safety-net/

The anti-poverty budget expands!​

 

[Markle]

A bit surprising really. That our far left Progressive good friends think nothing of us going from ten to TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT in a mere EIGHT YEARS and SCREAM when the budget is CUT. Their ignorance and overwhelming selfishness are stunning!

Shocking news to the far left. A safety net is intended to be a SAFETY NET, NOT A HAMMOCK!

 

[healthmyths]

A bit surprising really. That our far left Progressive good friends think nothing of us going from ten to TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT in a mere EIGHT YEARS and SCREAM when the budget is CUT. Their ignorance and overwhelming selfishness are stunning!

Shocking news to the far left. A safety net is intended to be a SAFETY NET, NOT A HAMMOCK!

But there are NO CUTS!
Such headlines may lead people to wonder just how deeply President Trump’s budget proposal would cut federal anti-poverty spending below current levels:
Ten percent? Twenty percent? More?
The answer is: zero.
In the (highly unlikely) event that every cut proposed by Trump is enacted, it would merely reduce next year’s spending level to approximately $798 billion.
So instead of expanding 2.7 percent next year, the anti-poverty budget would expand by 1.9 percent.
http://nypost.com/2017/03/27/sorry-trumps-heartless-budget-doesnt-slash-the-safety-net/
Where is the "cut"? Will anyone get LESS then what had been getting..except those nearly 4 million "able-bodied" with no dependents that are on food stamps!
These people will have to show why they should continue to get SNAP.
Plus more states will be able to control their budgets because this crap about no "drug-testing" for welfare recipients is going away! You do drugs why should we
fund your fun?
Wisconsin seeks to mandate drug tests for Medicaid recipients
Wisconsin seeks to mandate drug tests for Medicaid recipients - The Boston Globe

 

[Disir]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

How Americans Game the $200 Billion-a-Year 'Disability-Industrial Complex'

 

[healthmyths]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

WHAT is the problem in SHARING those STATS?
Now it was so easy to find the FACTS..
Does Social Security Disability Deny Everyone the First Time They Apply?
No, but Social Security denies about 70% of disability claimants after the initial application.
Does Social Security Disability Deny Everyone the First Time They Apply? | Disability Secrets
So please share your "stats" of 2% which is about 28% less then the FACTS!

 

[Wyatt earp]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Let me start by saying I believe in freedom of speech. I do not believe in the media knowingly telling a lie to fit their agenda. They continually claim this information or that information has come from a source. I can even see why a source should not be exposed by them but when the accusation has been proven beyond any doubt to be false the media should be fined very heavy. For all we know their source could be their barber or even some homeless person living under a bridge. The media should be responsible for their many misstatements. This might scare them into looking more deeply into a particular thing before they try to destroy someone or at least check out the validity of their sources.

Trump's budget does put the safety net at risk. You are engaging in demagoguery by using the stereotype that if you are on welfare, you are there because you do not want to work. Worthy of the con artist that Trump is.

This is the reality:
A) you are quite right about the budget figures and it proves that social programs are being cut. The money from social programs goes into military spending and other Trump favorites including a useless wall.
B) You have to recognize the fact that people may have problems finding a job. Trump refuses to accept this possibility.

Let's look at your facts.
1) You take the 60% that are working. Then you have people who are senior citizens and are living on fixed incomes. Then you have people who may be unable to work due to a disability or something along those lines.
It is also possible for unemployment rates to be low nationwide but high in certain states. It is also possible for unemployment to be low in a state and high in a region of the state. For example, unemployment can be low in Michigan and high in the Detroit area.

The fact is that you are putting the apple before the applecart. People have to have the skills for better paying jobs. They also have to be available. If Trump does that then the money spent on welfare programs then the costs will drop. You want to cut first. If those jobs are created then. that will be fine but if it does not work out then people will go hungry including children.

Also another fact is that it is hard for older workers to get jobs. There is a program that assists workers 55 or older in their job search but Trump wants to eliminate that. There needs to be some thought as to what can be done to help them get jobs. That would pay off big over time.

Your post lost credibility after you said the budget contains money for Trumps wall...because it doesn't


Just saying


.

 

[danielpalos]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Only the right wing is that, disingenuous. The selfish part is where a one percenter, gives himself a tax break.

 

[LaDexter]

When they SCREAM AND WHINE about budget cuts, just remember they did the SAME THING in the mid 1990s with the Gingrich budgets.... and now attempt to take credit for them... since they produced a booming economy and a budget surplus.

 

[Disir]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

No. In fact, one of the groups I work with are those that have severe mental illness often untreated, intellectual disabilities and some with physical disabilities that on top of all of that are freaking homeless. Obama was not the really great guy that just opened up the doors and welcomed all. The Democrats are not some really great life saving mofos. The changes occurred over several decades.

Look now, there is the Social Security Administration and then it shifts:
The field office is responsible for verifying non-medical eligibility requirements, which may include age, employment, marital status, or Social Security coverage information. The field office then sends the case to a DDS for evaluation of disability.

The DDSs, which are fully funded by the Federal Government, are State agencies responsible for developing medical evidence and making the initial determination on whether or not a claimant is disabled or blind under the law.

Usually, the DDS tries to obtain evidence from the claimant's own medical sources first. If that evidence is unavailable or insufficient to make a determination, the DDS will arrange for a consultative examination (CE) to obtain the additional information needed. The claimant's treating source is the preferred source for the CE, but the DDS may obtain the CE from an independent source. After completing its development of the evidence, trained staff at the DDS makes the initial disability determination.

Then, the DDS returns the case to the field office for appropriate action. If the DDS found that the claimant is disabled, SSA completes any outstanding non-disability development, computes the benefit amount, and begins paying benefits. If the claimant was found not to be disabled, the file is kept in the field office in case the claimant decides to appeal the determination.
Disability Determination Process

Depending on the state, what many of them did was shift the cost of TANF in which the states had to come up with the money to match to federal funds onto SSDI which is federally funded.

Like so:
PCG is a private company that states pay to comb their welfare rolls and move as many people as possible onto disability. "What we're offering is to work to identify those folks who have the highest likelihood of meeting disability criteria," Pat Coakley, who runs PCG's Social Security Advocacy Management team, told me.

The company has an office in eastern Washington state that's basically a call center, full of headsetted women in cubicles who make calls all day long to potentially disabled Americans, trying to help them discover and document their disabilities:

"The high blood pressure, how long have you been taking medications for that?" one PCG employee asked over the phone the day I visited the company. "Can you think of anything else that's been bothering you and disabling you and preventing you from working?"

The PCG agents help the potentially disabled fill out the Social Security disability application over the phone. And by help, I mean the agents actually do the filling out. When the potentially disabled don't have the right medical documentation to prove a disability, the agents at PCG help them get it. They call doctors' offices; they get records faxed. If the right medical records do not exist, PCG sets up doctors' appointments and calls applicants the day before to remind them of those appointments.

PCG also works very, very hard to make the people who work at the Social Security happy. Whenever the company wins a new contract, Coakley will personally introduce himself at the local Social Security Administration office, and see how he can make things as easy as possible for the administrators there.

"We go through even to the point, frankly, of do you like things to be stapled or paper-clipped?" he told me. "Paper clips wins out a lot of times because they need to make photocopies and they don't want to be taking staples out."

There's a reason PCG goes to all this trouble. The company gets paid by the state every time it moves someone off of welfare and onto disability. In recent contract negotiations with Missouri, PCG asked for $2,300 per person. For Missouri, that's a deal -- every time someone goes on disability, it means Missouri no longer has to send them cash payments every month. For the nation as a whole, it means one more person added to the disability rolls.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

If you aren't on that list of people receiving TANF, then what?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

No. In fact, one of the groups I work with are those that have severe mental illness often untreated, intellectual disabilities and some with physical disabilities that on top of all of that are freaking homeless. Obama was not the really great guy that just opened up the doors and welcomed all. The Democrats are not some really great life saving mofos. The changes occurred over several decades.

Look now, there is the Social Security Administration and then it shifts:
The field office is responsible for verifying non-medical eligibility requirements, which may include age, employment, marital status, or Social Security coverage information. The field office then sends the case to a DDS for evaluation of disability.

The DDSs, which are fully funded by the Federal Government, are State agencies responsible for developing medical evidence and making the initial determination on whether or not a claimant is disabled or blind under the law.

Usually, the DDS tries to obtain evidence from the claimant's own medical sources first. If that evidence is unavailable or insufficient to make a determination, the DDS will arrange for a consultative examination (CE) to obtain the additional information needed. The claimant's treating source is the preferred source for the CE, but the DDS may obtain the CE from an independent source. After completing its development of the evidence, trained staff at the DDS makes the initial disability determination.

Then, the DDS returns the case to the field office for appropriate action. If the DDS found that the claimant is disabled, SSA completes any outstanding non-disability development, computes the benefit amount, and begins paying benefits. If the claimant was found not to be disabled, the file is kept in the field office in case the claimant decides to appeal the determination.
Disability Determination Process

Depending on the state, what many of them did was shift the cost of TANF in which the states had to come up with the money to match to federal funds onto SSDI which is federally funded.

Like so:
PCG is a private company that states pay to comb their welfare rolls and move as many people as possible onto disability. "What we're offering is to work to identify those folks who have the highest likelihood of meeting disability criteria," Pat Coakley, who runs PCG's Social Security Advocacy Management team, told me.

The company has an office in eastern Washington state that's basically a call center, full of headsetted women in cubicles who make calls all day long to potentially disabled Americans, trying to help them discover and document their disabilities:

"The high blood pressure, how long have you been taking medications for that?" one PCG employee asked over the phone the day I visited the company. "Can you think of anything else that's been bothering you and disabling you and preventing you from working?"

The PCG agents help the potentially disabled fill out the Social Security disability application over the phone. And by help, I mean the agents actually do the filling out. When the potentially disabled don't have the right medical documentation to prove a disability, the agents at PCG help them get it. They call doctors' offices; they get records faxed. If the right medical records do not exist, PCG sets up doctors' appointments and calls applicants the day before to remind them of those appointments.

PCG also works very, very hard to make the people who work at the Social Security happy. Whenever the company wins a new contract, Coakley will personally introduce himself at the local Social Security Administration office, and see how he can make things as easy as possible for the administrators there.

"We go through even to the point, frankly, of do you like things to be stapled or paper-clipped?" he told me. "Paper clips wins out a lot of times because they need to make photocopies and they don't want to be taking staples out."

There's a reason PCG goes to all this trouble. The company gets paid by the state every time it moves someone off of welfare and onto disability. In recent contract negotiations with Missouri, PCG asked for $2,300 per person. For Missouri, that's a deal -- every time someone goes on disability, it means Missouri no longer has to send them cash payments every month. For the nation as a whole, it means one more person added to the disability rolls.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

If you aren't on that list of people receiving TANF, then what?

You are intentionally muddying the waters here. You post is a hodge-podge of unrelated programs in search of some relevance to your points.

I want to see your reply to the other poster who proved your stats are bogus.

 

[Disir]

Ok. Food stamps go to homeless people. You can work and still not afford rent. Food stamps go to people that are mentally and physically disabled.

In order to qualify for Social Security Disability there are usually 3 attempts and it is a long process. Knowing in advance they can't navigate this process and will stop applying. So............just thinking aloud here but what if........people thought this through.

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

No. In fact, one of the groups I work with are those that have severe mental illness often untreated, intellectual disabilities and some with physical disabilities that on top of all of that are freaking homeless. Obama was not the really great guy that just opened up the doors and welcomed all. The Democrats are not some really great life saving mofos. The changes occurred over several decades.

Look now, there is the Social Security Administration and then it shifts:
The field office is responsible for verifying non-medical eligibility requirements, which may include age, employment, marital status, or Social Security coverage information. The field office then sends the case to a DDS for evaluation of disability.

The DDSs, which are fully funded by the Federal Government, are State agencies responsible for developing medical evidence and making the initial determination on whether or not a claimant is disabled or blind under the law.

Usually, the DDS tries to obtain evidence from the claimant's own medical sources first. If that evidence is unavailable or insufficient to make a determination, the DDS will arrange for a consultative examination (CE) to obtain the additional information needed. The claimant's treating source is the preferred source for the CE, but the DDS may obtain the CE from an independent source. After completing its development of the evidence, trained staff at the DDS makes the initial disability determination.

Then, the DDS returns the case to the field office for appropriate action. If the DDS found that the claimant is disabled, SSA completes any outstanding non-disability development, computes the benefit amount, and begins paying benefits. If the claimant was found not to be disabled, the file is kept in the field office in case the claimant decides to appeal the determination.
Disability Determination Process

Depending on the state, what many of them did was shift the cost of TANF in which the states had to come up with the money to match to federal funds onto SSDI which is federally funded.

Like so:
PCG is a private company that states pay to comb their welfare rolls and move as many people as possible onto disability. "What we're offering is to work to identify those folks who have the highest likelihood of meeting disability criteria," Pat Coakley, who runs PCG's Social Security Advocacy Management team, told me.

The company has an office in eastern Washington state that's basically a call center, full of headsetted women in cubicles who make calls all day long to potentially disabled Americans, trying to help them discover and document their disabilities:

"The high blood pressure, how long have you been taking medications for that?" one PCG employee asked over the phone the day I visited the company. "Can you think of anything else that's been bothering you and disabling you and preventing you from working?"

The PCG agents help the potentially disabled fill out the Social Security disability application over the phone. And by help, I mean the agents actually do the filling out. When the potentially disabled don't have the right medical documentation to prove a disability, the agents at PCG help them get it. They call doctors' offices; they get records faxed. If the right medical records do not exist, PCG sets up doctors' appointments and calls applicants the day before to remind them of those appointments.

PCG also works very, very hard to make the people who work at the Social Security happy. Whenever the company wins a new contract, Coakley will personally introduce himself at the local Social Security Administration office, and see how he can make things as easy as possible for the administrators there.

"We go through even to the point, frankly, of do you like things to be stapled or paper-clipped?" he told me. "Paper clips wins out a lot of times because they need to make photocopies and they don't want to be taking staples out."

There's a reason PCG goes to all this trouble. The company gets paid by the state every time it moves someone off of welfare and onto disability. In recent contract negotiations with Missouri, PCG asked for $2,300 per person. For Missouri, that's a deal -- every time someone goes on disability, it means Missouri no longer has to send them cash payments every month. For the nation as a whole, it means one more person added to the disability rolls.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

If you aren't on that list of people receiving TANF, then what?

You are intentionally muddying the waters here. You post is a hodge-podge of unrelated programs in search of some relevance to your points.

I want to see your reply to the other poster who proved your stats are bogus.

No. I gave you where the increase came from.It shifted over 3 decades. It isn't a hodgepodge of programs.

The TANF/SSI Connection

You just don't like it. I'm looking for where I found the 2% stats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

As it is wont to do this CNN article is so biased so negative and so ignorant!
Starting with the headline: Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts
Several programs geared to helping low-income and disabled Americans would come under the knife in Trump's budget. It would reduce spending on programs like food stamps (or SNAP), Social Security disability insurance benefits, additional income for poor seniors, disabled adults and children (SSI), and public assistance for needy families (TANF).
Related: American's safety net is at risk under Trump's ax
Part of the reduction would result from Trump's proposal to tighten eligibility requirements for benefits in these programs and "encourage" work. White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney put it this way in a briefing with reporters: "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."

Trump's first budget: Trillions in cuts

Now for reality and why Trump's budget IS SELFISH!!!
A)It calls on Congress to spend $4.1 trillion next year, a little more than what is being spent this year.
WHERE in the hell then are the "Trillions in CUTS"??????
B) Now for the SELFISH part... "If you're on food stamps and able-bodied, we need you to go to work."
What is the difference between people working and people on food stamps and why is Trump Selfish?
1) First the FACTS..
but anywhere from about 42 to 58 percent is a reasonable summary of the report’s findings and more recent data available. We rate her statement Mostly True.
Barbara Lee says 60 percent of people on food assistance are working
So that means at least 40% on food stamps aren't working.
Today, 28 states continue to waive the work requirement altogether, despite an average unemployment rate of 6.72 percent. (The nationwide unemployment rate reached 10 percent during the fallout from the recession and now stands just below 6 percent.) An additional 13 states have waived the work requirement in some parts of their states, despite an average unemployment rate of just 4.58.
Food Stamps, without Work Requirements
let's them assume then of the 40% on food stamps 20% ARE able-bodied or 8 million.
Food Stamp (SNAP) Recipient Statistics - Statistic Brain
View attachment 128964
a) If of the 8 million able bodied 4 million became employed food stamp savings : almost $7 Billion.
b) But more importantly if these 4 million are employed at say $30,000 Just in Social security/Medicare payments BY employer and employee of 12%= $14.4 billion in just these two sources of Tax revenue.
c) Total difference between Trump's plan to have food stamp recipients show they can't work!
$21 billion a year in difference!

So where is Trump selfish in that?
Simple. Trump like millions of us are concerned for our children's future when government spending
versus government revenue continues to be larger. This can't be sustained.

So Trump's desire for people to have a fulfilling wage earning life for 4 million more people is wrong?

How much would Trump benefit personally if his budget were passed?

That will tell you how selfish he's being.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It must not be as difficult as you make it out to be since the number of people on SSI exploded during the Obama administration.

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

No. In fact, one of the groups I work with are those that have severe mental illness often untreated, intellectual disabilities and some with physical disabilities that on top of all of that are freaking homeless. Obama was not the really great guy that just opened up the doors and welcomed all. The Democrats are not some really great life saving mofos. The changes occurred over several decades.

Look now, there is the Social Security Administration and then it shifts:
The field office is responsible for verifying non-medical eligibility requirements, which may include age, employment, marital status, or Social Security coverage information. The field office then sends the case to a DDS for evaluation of disability.

The DDSs, which are fully funded by the Federal Government, are State agencies responsible for developing medical evidence and making the initial determination on whether or not a claimant is disabled or blind under the law.

Usually, the DDS tries to obtain evidence from the claimant's own medical sources first. If that evidence is unavailable or insufficient to make a determination, the DDS will arrange for a consultative examination (CE) to obtain the additional information needed. The claimant's treating source is the preferred source for the CE, but the DDS may obtain the CE from an independent source. After completing its development of the evidence, trained staff at the DDS makes the initial disability determination.

Then, the DDS returns the case to the field office for appropriate action. If the DDS found that the claimant is disabled, SSA completes any outstanding non-disability development, computes the benefit amount, and begins paying benefits. If the claimant was found not to be disabled, the file is kept in the field office in case the claimant decides to appeal the determination.
Disability Determination Process

Depending on the state, what many of them did was shift the cost of TANF in which the states had to come up with the money to match to federal funds onto SSDI which is federally funded.

Like so:
PCG is a private company that states pay to comb their welfare rolls and move as many people as possible onto disability. "What we're offering is to work to identify those folks who have the highest likelihood of meeting disability criteria," Pat Coakley, who runs PCG's Social Security Advocacy Management team, told me.

The company has an office in eastern Washington state that's basically a call center, full of headsetted women in cubicles who make calls all day long to potentially disabled Americans, trying to help them discover and document their disabilities:

"The high blood pressure, how long have you been taking medications for that?" one PCG employee asked over the phone the day I visited the company. "Can you think of anything else that's been bothering you and disabling you and preventing you from working?"

The PCG agents help the potentially disabled fill out the Social Security disability application over the phone. And by help, I mean the agents actually do the filling out. When the potentially disabled don't have the right medical documentation to prove a disability, the agents at PCG help them get it. They call doctors' offices; they get records faxed. If the right medical records do not exist, PCG sets up doctors' appointments and calls applicants the day before to remind them of those appointments.

PCG also works very, very hard to make the people who work at the Social Security happy. Whenever the company wins a new contract, Coakley will personally introduce himself at the local Social Security Administration office, and see how he can make things as easy as possible for the administrators there.

"We go through even to the point, frankly, of do you like things to be stapled or paper-clipped?" he told me. "Paper clips wins out a lot of times because they need to make photocopies and they don't want to be taking staples out."

There's a reason PCG goes to all this trouble. The company gets paid by the state every time it moves someone off of welfare and onto disability. In recent contract negotiations with Missouri, PCG asked for $2,300 per person. For Missouri, that's a deal -- every time someone goes on disability, it means Missouri no longer has to send them cash payments every month. For the nation as a whole, it means one more person added to the disability rolls.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

If you aren't on that list of people receiving TANF, then what?

You are intentionally muddying the waters here. You post is a hodge-podge of unrelated programs in search of some relevance to your points.

I want to see your reply to the other poster who proved your stats are bogus.

No. I gave you where the increase came from.It shifted over 3 decades. It isn't a hodgepodge of programs.

The TANF/SSI Connection

You just don't like it. I'm looking for where I found the 2% stats.

They should NOT be connected! THAT is the point!

 

[Disir]

It's really damn difficult. The stats I have seen are 2% on first try and they usually have an attorney going in. Even so, it takes 2 years before medical benefits kick in after you have been accepted. It's a maze so if you have a person that is mentally ill or intellectually disabled they aren't going to be able to navigate that.

That's utter bullshit, and you damn well know it!

If that were true, no one would have been able to get disability under Obama and the number of people on SSI disability literally exploded during his term in office. If you didn't want to work, all you had to do was file for some imagined disability and you were set!

No. In fact, one of the groups I work with are those that have severe mental illness often untreated, intellectual disabilities and some with physical disabilities that on top of all of that are freaking homeless. Obama was not the really great guy that just opened up the doors and welcomed all. The Democrats are not some really great life saving mofos. The changes occurred over several decades.

Look now, there is the Social Security Administration and then it shifts:
The field office is responsible for verifying non-medical eligibility requirements, which may include age, employment, marital status, or Social Security coverage information. The field office then sends the case to a DDS for evaluation of disability.

The DDSs, which are fully funded by the Federal Government, are State agencies responsible for developing medical evidence and making the initial determination on whether or not a claimant is disabled or blind under the law.

Usually, the DDS tries to obtain evidence from the claimant's own medical sources first. If that evidence is unavailable or insufficient to make a determination, the DDS will arrange for a consultative examination (CE) to obtain the additional information needed. The claimant's treating source is the preferred source for the CE, but the DDS may obtain the CE from an independent source. After completing its development of the evidence, trained staff at the DDS makes the initial disability determination.

Then, the DDS returns the case to the field office for appropriate action. If the DDS found that the claimant is disabled, SSA completes any outstanding non-disability development, computes the benefit amount, and begins paying benefits. If the claimant was found not to be disabled, the file is kept in the field office in case the claimant decides to appeal the determination.
Disability Determination Process

Depending on the state, what many of them did was shift the cost of TANF in which the states had to come up with the money to match to federal funds onto SSDI which is federally funded.

Like so:
PCG is a private company that states pay to comb their welfare rolls and move as many people as possible onto disability. "What we're offering is to work to identify those folks who have the highest likelihood of meeting disability criteria," Pat Coakley, who runs PCG's Social Security Advocacy Management team, told me.

The company has an office in eastern Washington state that's basically a call center, full of headsetted women in cubicles who make calls all day long to potentially disabled Americans, trying to help them discover and document their disabilities:

"The high blood pressure, how long have you been taking medications for that?" one PCG employee asked over the phone the day I visited the company. "Can you think of anything else that's been bothering you and disabling you and preventing you from working?"

The PCG agents help the potentially disabled fill out the Social Security disability application over the phone. And by help, I mean the agents actually do the filling out. When the potentially disabled don't have the right medical documentation to prove a disability, the agents at PCG help them get it. They call doctors' offices; they get records faxed. If the right medical records do not exist, PCG sets up doctors' appointments and calls applicants the day before to remind them of those appointments.

PCG also works very, very hard to make the people who work at the Social Security happy. Whenever the company wins a new contract, Coakley will personally introduce himself at the local Social Security Administration office, and see how he can make things as easy as possible for the administrators there.

"We go through even to the point, frankly, of do you like things to be stapled or paper-clipped?" he told me. "Paper clips wins out a lot of times because they need to make photocopies and they don't want to be taking staples out."

There's a reason PCG goes to all this trouble. The company gets paid by the state every time it moves someone off of welfare and onto disability. In recent contract negotiations with Missouri, PCG asked for $2,300 per person. For Missouri, that's a deal -- every time someone goes on disability, it means Missouri no longer has to send them cash payments every month. For the nation as a whole, it means one more person added to the disability rolls.
http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

If you aren't on that list of people receiving TANF, then what?

You are intentionally muddying the waters here. You post is a hodge-podge of unrelated programs in search of some relevance to your points.

I want to see your reply to the other poster who proved your stats are bogus.

No. I gave you where the increase came from.It shifted over 3 decades. It isn't a hodgepodge of programs.

The TANF/SSI Connection

You just don't like it. I'm looking for where I found the 2% stats.

They should NOT be connected! THAT is the point!

You no longer have a point. Stop being a dick. At the very least, be a dick with a purpose.

 

[healthmyths]

Learn the truth:

Who Receives 'Food Stamps'? And Why It Is Critical To Continue Their Support

I'm not the only one that has done this. Many people my age in the 70s have done jobs like the below growing up. That was expected of us. That's why SNAP wasn't needed for most of us because it would have been embarrassing!
When I was between the ages of 6 to 17 I did the following jobs:
1) mowed 6 lawns in the summer
2) Shoveled 5 sidewalks in the winter
3) Worked in 4 gardens my Dad had with neighbors that we shared the produce.
4) My family had a paper route started with older sister, then me, then my younger sister, then my brother.
5) One of the lawns we mowed was the dentist which was applied against our family dental bill.
6) My Dad was a factory worker. The average median salary at that time was $2,992 a year during the 1950s, when the U.S. population was half of what it is today. By that time the minimum wage had risen to $0.75 an hour. Wages: Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow | Bud Meyers
7) My mom canned vegetables. Repaired our clothes.
8) My Dad gleaned corn fields (look up the word "glean"!) and sold the bushels of corn to the local corn elevator. I helped.
9) We raised chickens and rabbits.
NOW at NO TIME GIVEN my Dad's gross income being less then $3,000 EVER EVER thought of us as "POOR" much less did he EVER consider "food stamps"...
(The first food stamp program started on May 16, 1939.)
WHY did my Dad and Mom never consider us poor and needing to go on "food stamps"?
It would be stupid! Because we WORKED! WE took care of ourselves.

So this crap that we need to provide able bodied people with no dependents (4 million now called "SNAP") has just got to stop!
We are fast becoming a nation that can't do the simplest thing like mowing a lawn, shoveling a walk.
Consequently we have this and we are paying for this not in DOLLARS but in the concept of "INDEPENDENCE". RESPONSIBILITY!