Trumpsters, please don't read this

[Mac1958]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

The problem is we the people. Only way to reduce debt is to get the budget under control and the only way to do that is to reduce entitlements that neither the Democrat nor the Republican voters want to do. Zero to do with Trump or Clinton or anyone else. Most people will not vote for a candidate who will increase the retirement age, lower Medicare or attack Medicaid. This is a huge mistake but the issue is us.

The obedient sheep in both parties are afraid, TERRIFIED, of holding their tribe accountable with fundamental intellectual honesty.

As long as this continues, so does the decay. Our wingers are killing us.
.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

You and Gator Breath are far left hacks who pretend to be centrists ‘and above it all’.

Pure BS.

BTW- being a centrist today is like being a centrist in 1863. Pure scum as Jesus said about wafflers.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

The problem is we the people. Only way to reduce debt is to get the budget under control and the only way to do that is to reduce entitlements that neither the Democrat nor the Republican voters want to do. Zero to do with Trump or Clinton or anyone else. Most people will not vote for a candidate who will increase the retirement age, lower Medicare or attack Medicaid. This is a huge mistake but the issue is us.

Both parties are afraid, TERRIFIED, of holding their tribe accountable with fundamental intellectual honesty.

As long as this continues, so does the decay. Our wingers are killing us.
.

Both parties do not have the decency to be honest with the people in this country.

 

[Mac1958]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

It would be interesting to see how a second term Trump would act. Right now his focus is on his base, and that wouldn't be necessary.
.

 

[Correll]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

I addressed the article. Post 54. You let it pass without comment.


Maybe you just missed it.


Maybe you WANT to see the thread turn into a partisan bitch fest, to reinforce your already held convictions.

 

[Mac1958]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

You and Gator Breath are far left hacks who pretend to be centrists ‘and above it all’.

Pure BS.

BTW- being a centrist today is like being a centrist in 1863. Pure scum as Jesus said about wafflers.

More about me and not the article in the OP, thanks.
.

 

[Correll]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

The problem is we the people. Only way to reduce debt is to get the budget under control and the only way to do that is to reduce entitlements that neither the Democrat nor the Republican voters want to do. Zero to do with Trump or Clinton or anyone else. Most people will not vote for a candidate who will increase the retirement age, lower Medicare or attack Medicaid. This is a huge mistake but the issue is us.

The obedient sheep in both parties are afraid, TERRIFIED, of holding their tribe accountable with fundamental intellectual honesty.

As long as this continues, so does the decay. Our wingers are killing us.
.

It is hard to have a serious discussion, when a good third of the population is just screaming "racist" all the time.


I wonder what we would find, in a conservative only site.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

It would be interesting to see how a second term Trump would act. Right now his focus is on his base, and that wouldn't be necessary.
.

IMO the Democrats are alienating the Independents like myself with their antisemitic, pro illegal immigration, pro more free stuff rhetoric and that allows Trump to just concentrate on his base. No sane person IMO would vote Democrat now after they all raised their hands to give illegals free healthcare. We need fewer entitlements not more.

 

[Mac1958]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

I addressed the article. Post 54. You let it pass without comment.


Maybe you just missed it.


Maybe you WANT to see the thread turn into a partisan bitch fest, to reinforce your already held convictions.

Hey, I'll give you credit. While you still defended Trump, while you avoided fully agreeing with the piece in the OP, you toned it down.

Well done, thanks!

Is that better?
.

 

[Mac1958]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

It would be interesting to see how a second term Trump would act. Right now his focus is on his base, and that wouldn't be necessary.
.

IMO the Democrats are alienating the Independents like myself with their antisemitic, pro illegal immigration, pro more free stuff rhetoric and that allows Trump to just concentrate on his base. No sane person IMO would vote Democrat now after they all raised their hands to give illegals free healthcare. We need fewer entitlements not more.

Yeah, the gap between the two parties keeps growing. I'll hold out hope for a decent third party candidate.
.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

It would be interesting to see how a second term Trump would act. Right now his focus is on his base, and that wouldn't be necessary.
.

IMO the Democrats are alienating the Independents like myself with their antisemitic, pro illegal immigration, pro more free stuff rhetoric and that allows Trump to just concentrate on his base. No sane person IMO would vote Democrat now after they all raised their hands to give illegals free healthcare. We need fewer entitlements not more.

Yeah, the gap between the two parties keeps growing. I'll hold out hope for a decent third party candidate.
.

Your choice will be Biden or Trump. I recommend voting for Trump as he at least has a smidgeon of a chance to attack entitlements. Uncle Joe will just raise taxes and cross his fingers.

 

[Mac1958]

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

How about leaning toward logic and not being tied to a political party one way or another? I hope if Trump
Wins in 2020 he will attack entitlements as he cannot run in 2024 and will have nothing to lose. But I am not holding my breath.

It would be interesting to see how a second term Trump would act. Right now his focus is on his base, and that wouldn't be necessary.
.

IMO the Democrats are alienating the Independents like myself with their antisemitic, pro illegal immigration, pro more free stuff rhetoric and that allows Trump to just concentrate on his base. No sane person IMO would vote Democrat now after they all raised their hands to give illegals free healthcare. We need fewer entitlements not more.

Yeah, the gap between the two parties keeps growing. I'll hold out hope for a decent third party candidate.
.

Your choice will be Biden or Trump. I recommend voting for Trump as he at least has a smidgeon of a chance to attack entitlements. Uncle Joe will just raise taxes and cross his fingers.

It'll be third party, most likely. My vote won't hold any less influence than that of anyone who obediently votes party line.
.

 

[Vastator]

Ole Mac's veil slipped down...he's a TDS suffering hack

He admitted awhile back he voted Hillary.

Sure, I've said that many times. My stands on the issues are in the link at the end of the second line of my sig. I can't make it much more clear. I definitely lean Left.

But you folks aren't very good at hiding the fact that you're avoiding the article in the OP, from a conservative site.

Since you can't refute what the article says, you go after me personally. Wingers are very consistent.
.

Nonsense. I already told you the debt is irrecoverable.

 

[Theowl32]

So how does this relate to your hardcore partisanship and TDS affliction? Please explain

I can understand the clumsy attempt at deflection.

Two pretty weak shots here so far.

Anyone else?
.

It isn't deflection you stupid buttfuck. You love to point out ironies and you are the most ironic, most duplicitous, moronic, hypocritical, race baiting sack of socialist shit there is. It is YOOOOOUUUUU that fucking deflects you buttfuck.

What you see is how hard it is (when I say hard, mean impossible politically) to end PROGRAMS once they have been established. Trump, who was not a politician is finding that out. In order to deal with this opposition party in the House, whose entire scheme is identity politics, he has to make compromises.

The same fucking democrats that YOOOOOOUUU vote for who have become extreme socialists and yet you fucking deny you are fucking socialist.

You are such a fucking idiot. Keep sticking with your identity politics and then be critical of it at the same time.

Deflect some more too and then tell others they are deflecting when they make poignant statements about your dreck.

 

[Mac1958]

So how does this relate to your hardcore partisanship and TDS affliction? Please explain

I can understand the clumsy attempt at deflection.

Two pretty weak shots here so far.

Anyone else?
.

It isn't deflection you stupid buttfuck. You love to point out ironies and you are the most ironic, most duplicitous, moronic, hypocritical, race baiting sack of socialist shit there is. It is YOOOOOUUUUU that fucking deflects you buttfuck.

What you see is how hard it is (when I say hard, mean impossible politically) to end PROGRAMS once they have been established. Trump, who was not a politician is finding that out. In order to deal with this opposition party in the House, whose entire scheme is identity politics, he has to make compromises.

The same fucking democrats that YOOOOOOUUU vote for who have become extreme socialists and yet you fucking deny you are fucking socialist.

You are such a fucking idiot. Keep sticking with your identity politics and then be critical of it at the same time.

Deflect some more too and then tell others they are deflecting when they make poignant statements about your dreck.

Awww. Poor Trump.

Okay, I'll file this under "It's all the Dems' fault", thanks.
.

 

[Theowl32]

So how does this relate to your hardcore partisanship and TDS affliction? Please explain

I can understand the clumsy attempt at deflection.

Two pretty weak shots here so far.

Anyone else?
.

It isn't deflection you stupid buttfuck. You love to point out ironies and you are the most ironic, most duplicitous, moronic, hypocritical, race baiting sack of socialist shit there is. It is YOOOOOUUUUU that fucking deflects you buttfuck.

What you see is how hard it is (when I say hard, mean impossible politically) to end PROGRAMS once they have been established. Trump, who was not a politician is finding that out. In order to deal with this opposition party in the House, whose entire scheme is identity politics, he has to make compromises.

The same fucking democrats that YOOOOOOUUU vote for who have become extreme socialists and yet you fucking deny you are fucking socialist.

You are such a fucking idiot. Keep sticking with your identity politics and then be critical of it at the same time.

Deflect some more too and then tell others they are deflecting when they make poignant statements about your dreck.

Awww. Poor Trump.

Okay, I'll file this under "It's all the Dems' fault", thanks.
.

If stupid were stink you would be an 80 year old fart passing through a rotten onion.

 

[toobfreak]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Dodd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in early 2009, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

Dodd Frank in 2006? Really?

I love it when you stupid fucks have to lie to blame Obama when anyone with a fucking brain knows Obama inherited a trillion plus deficit in the midst of the worst recession in 80 years.

BT, the debt was about 10.5 trillion when Obama took office - after your hero GW doubled the debt (after taking over a balanced budget).

All you assholes do is lie. Oh Obama did this & Obama did that.

The fact is Republicans nearly killed America under Bush, Obama brought us back, amd now Trump is taking us down .

Please, quit posting is get a fuickling education.

FO you raving loon and wipe the spittle from your face.

FDR: raving socialist. Added 1048% to the debt with his social programs.
Reagan: added 186% to the debt defeating the Soviet Union and reuniting Germany.
GW Bush: added 101% to the debt fighting terrorism in the Middle East
Obama: added 74% to the debt bailing out all of his Wall Street cronies and fixing the SNL crisis he helped create.
HW Bush: added 54% to the debt for what I'm not sure except after believing the Dems and getting hornswaggled.
Ford: added 47%
Jimmy Carter: added 43%
Nixon: added 34%
Clinton: added 32%
Trump: projected to add 30%
LBJ & JFK: added only 13 and 8% putting a man on the Moon.
Eisenhower: 9%.
Truman: 3%.

Which President Increased U.S. Debt the Most?

 

[RealDave]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
,

I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Dodd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in early 2009, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

Dodd Frank in 2006? Really?

I love it when you stupid fucks have to lie to blame Obama when anyone with a fucking brain knows Obama inherited a trillion plus deficit in the midst of the worst recession in 80 years.

BT, the debt was about 10.5 trillion when Obama took office - after your hero GW doubled the debt (after taking over a balanced budget).

All you assholes do is lie. Oh Obama did this & Obama did that.

The fact is Republicans nearly killed America under Bush, Obama brought us back, amd now Trump is taking us down .

Please, quit posting is get a fuickling education.

FO you raving loon and wipe the spittle from your face.

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FDR: raving socialist. Added 1048% to the debt with his social programs.
Reagan: added 186% to the debt defeating the Soviet Union and reuniting Germany.
GW Bush: added 101% to the debt fighting terrorism in the Middle East
Obama: added 74% to the debt bailing out all of his Wall Street cronies and fixing the SNL crisis he helped create.
HW Bush: added 54% to the debt for what I'm not sure except after believing the Dems and getting hornswaggled.
Ford: added 47%
Jimmy Carter: added 43%
Nixon: added 34%
Clinton: added 32%
Trump: projected to add 30%
LBJ & JFK: added only 13 and 8% putting a man on the Moon.
Eisenhower: 9%.
Truman: 3%.

Which President Increased U.S. Debt the Most?

Keep blaming Obama for the effects of the Bush recession.

When Obama walked into the Oval Office, the deficit was already forecast at a trilliopn plus & the economy was shrinking at a rate over 6%.

 

[RealDave]

The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.

But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.

Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt

Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.

While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.

The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.

Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.

But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
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I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Dodd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.

We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in early 2009, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.

Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.

Dodd Frank in 2006? Really?

I love it when you stupid fucks have to lie to blame Obama when anyone with a fucking brain knows Obama inherited a trillion plus deficit in the midst of the worst recession in 80 years.

BT, the debt was about 10.5 trillion when Obama took office - after your hero GW doubled the debt (after taking over a balanced budget).

All you assholes do is lie. Oh Obama did this & Obama did that.

The fact is Republicans nearly killed America under Bush, Obama brought us back, amd now Trump is taking us down .

Please, quit posting is get a fuickling education.

FO you raving loon and wipe the spittle from your face.

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FDR: raving socialist. Added 1048% to the debt with his social programs.
Reagan: added 186% to the debt defeating the Soviet Union and reuniting Germany.
GW Bush: added 101% to the debt fighting terrorism in the Middle East
Obama: added 74% to the debt bailing out all of his Wall Street cronies and fixing the SNL crisis he helped create.
HW Bush: added 54% to the debt for what I'm not sure except after believing the Dems and getting hornswaggled.
Ford: added 47%
Jimmy Carter: added 43%
Nixon: added 34%
Clinton: added 32%
Trump: projected to add 30%
LBJ & JFK: added only 13 and 8% putting a man on the Moon.
Eisenhower: 9%.
Truman: 3%.

Which President Increased U.S. Debt the Most?

BTW, dumbass, the bailing out of Wall Street was done under George W Bush.

Are you stupid or just a liar? Seriously. I want an answer