WillowTree
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The Conservative Review isn't playing along. Good for them. Anyone who brings up Trump's exploding debt and flagging economy are immediately mocked by his obedient Trumpsters, but fortunately there are still some Conservatives who are not willing to lie and spin for him.
But I know, I know. The Trumpsters don't care.
Trump can’t be both the president of growth and the president of debt
Earlier today, the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced that the economy had grown just 2.1 percent during the second quarter of this year (ending June 30). It also revised Q4 of 2018 down to just 1.1 percent, which now means that growth during the 12 months ending Q4 of 2018 was only 2.5 percent, not 3 percent as previously thought. This means that the U.S. economy has now gone 14 years without a year-over-year growth of 3 percent. It’s been 19 years since we’ve hit 4 percent, which was during 1997-2000.
While the numbers don’t portend a coming recession, it is highly unusual for us to go for 16 consecutive months with unemployment below 4 percent and 43 months below 5 percent, yet never attain 3 or 4 percent annual GDP growth. In fact, that has never happened before. During the late 1990s, the unemployment rate ranged from 5.3 percent to 3.9 percent – not even as good as today’s 3.7 percent – yet GDP growth was over 4 percent. Ditto for the late 1960s, when we saw years of 6 percent growth. During the mid 1980s, we saw this growth even with higher unemployment rates.
The debt is not just a problem for future generations in terms of a fiscal cost that will be borne by taxpayers. The exclusive focus on the future is what has fostered the Louis XV mentality of “after me, the deluge.” Let’s face it, we are a nation that doesn’t care about the future of our children. What is missing from the discussion is that the debt is permanently weighing down economic growth now.
Let’s peek into the numbers behind today’s topline GDP report. GDP comprises personal consumption expenditures, gross private domestic investment, government spending, and net exports. Seventy percent of the equation is consumption, and the robust 4.3 percent growth in consumption this quarter is a big part of what is keeping us even at 2.1 percent growth. This is not artificial and is good news. Consumption is a sign of a healthy job market, with more people earning money, as well as the tax cuts putting more cash in people’s pockets to spend. No matter whether our economy is fully free market or quasi-socialist, whenever there is more money in people’s pockets, these numbers will go up. We are now in a boom period, and the numbers are good.
But what else is propping up the number? Government spending! Gross government spending, which accounts for about 17.5 percent of the GDP pie, spiked 5 percent. Non-defense spending rose by 15.9 percent!
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I guess I'm missing why you are trying to make this an all-Trump thing. Maybe you're not aware that economies are mainly the domain of Congress? Further, when pointing fingers at the debt, my first thought is the idiot Congress who in 2006 caused the spiraling banking crisis through the Dodd-Frank bill, then Obama coming in and rather than letting bad actors on Wall Street fail and reorganize, spent trillions bailing out the big boys too big to fail while letting the little guy twist in the wind.
We didn't get to 21-22 trillion overnight. When Obama took office in early 2009, we were only at about 9 trillion. It took Barack to put us at 19 trillion.
Now if you want to see that as a Trump deflection, knock yourself out, but the damage is already done.
Dodd Frank in 2006? Really?
I love it when you stupid fucks have to lie to blame Obama when anyone with a fucking brain knows Obama inherited a trillion plus deficit in the midst of the worst recession in 80 years.
BT, the debt was about 10.5 trillion when Obama took office - after your hero GW doubled the debt (after taking over a balanced budget).
All you assholes do is lie. Oh Obama did this & Obama did that.
The fact is Republicans nearly killed America under Bush, Obama brought us back, amd now Trump is taking us down .
Please, quit posting is get a fuickling education.
Look who’s calling us dumbasses! Fact is Bush went to the democrats and warned them the housing bubble was about to burst. Barney Frank laughed right in his face and Fannie and Freddie kept making loans they knew people could never pay back and guess what? Dummy! George Bush was right and the democrats were wrong. Obamallama did the same thing with college tuition.