Tulsa police officer charged with manslaughter

[Carl in Michigan]

He reaches for the handle, the officers hear a metallic "click"

That's all ANYBODY needs to know. Dumb as fuck.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Federalizing the police is what Trump wants.

That has been the goal, and the actual policy of the obummer admin so you might want to walk that one back a bit cause you're flat out wrong.

So what, westwall. Trump wants to federalize the police. There is no small government limited government conservatism about this guy. Own it.

I agree. I always said you guys gave us this choice. Communist or National Socialist. One will win. I won't vote for your Ill communist.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Like I said, the rabble wants blood.

Some think that our laws provide that we are innocent until proven guilty, dirt bag angel. That police are not judge and jury, douchette, but apprehenders of suspects and protectors of citizens. Comprende, dumbass?

Always makes me smile when I piss off the rabble. Apparently you've decided she's guilty. Apparently, blacks can just do whatever the hell they want when a cop gives orders.

I sware, blacks act like feral animals. I'm sure they comprehend the words if a cop, but they just choose to ignore them.

Don't worry, she gets to keep her death head ring. She's a member for life now.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Shelby was a "drug expert."

She knew how to "recognize" a problem then.

Why did she not notice the door was closed and the window rolled up.

Yeah, she will be tried.

She was at rear of car and might not have been able to tell or fixated on him to point she never factored it in

Good reasons for not shooting.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

There obviously was sufficient probable cause to warrant charges. I'm glad they didn't drag this out.

There is a liberal media lynch mob.

There's a prosecutor who determined pretty easily and quickly that charges were appropriate in this case.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

From the article:

"There was no weapon found in the car."

Watch how scumbags try to change this fact over the next 48 hours...

So what? The Cop didn't know that. The fact that she's been charged Is a miscarriage of justice. It's clear the perp was reaching into his car before getting shot. This officer will be found not guilty.

How was he reaching into a car with the windows closed?

How's she supposed to see that from BEHIND the car? She did what was right....coon should have stopped and got on ground and NONE of this would have happened.

Why are you lying? Through her attorney, she said she saw him reaching into the vehicle's window.

I'm not lying. I am explaining things from MY point of view. From MY point of view she can't see if the window is up or down. Again its his fault.Listen to the instructions and don't get shot!

If she can't see then she shouldn't shoot.
She did say he was reaching through the window that later was shown to be up.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How's she supposed to see that from BEHIND the car? She did what was right....coon should have stopped and got on ground and NONE of this would have happened.

Why are you lying? Through her attorney, she said she saw him reaching into the vehicle's window.

I'm not lying. I am explaining things from MY point of view. From MY point of view she can't see if the window is up or down. Again its his fault.Listen to the instructions and don't get shot!

Your point of view is meaningless. Her's will be the one on trial, not yours. And her claim is she shot him because he was reaching into the window of the vehicle.

That's gonna be a yuge hurdle for her to overcome.

The window was up.

It's down. The windows are tinted. I see leather tan seats.

Yep. Look at the back window...see how dark it is....the front one is NOT like that.

Factory tint. Front side windows are never tinted.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

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Is that officer Betty's conviction after party?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

From the article:

"There was no weapon found in the car."

Watch how scumbags try to change this fact over the next 48 hours...

I got a dollar says she walks ... she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Of course they charged her .... that was more politics than law.

she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Obviously there is dope as there was no weapon found and she is charged.

 

[Bush92]

Why are you lying? Through her attorney, she said she saw him reaching into the vehicle's window.

I'm not lying. I am explaining things from MY point of view. From MY point of view she can't see if the window is up or down. Again its his fault.Listen to the instructions and don't get shot!

Your point of view is meaningless. Her's will be the one on trial, not yours. And her claim is she shot him because he was reaching into the window of the vehicle.

That's gonna be a yuge hurdle for her to overcome.

The window was up.

It's down. The windows are tinted. I see leather tan seats.

Yep. Look at the back window...see how dark it is....the front one is NOT like that.

Factory tint. Front side windows are never tinted.

Now your an expert on cars. Sure.

 

[Bush92]

From the article:

"There was no weapon found in the car."

Watch how scumbags try to change this fact over the next 48 hours...

I got a dollar says she walks ... she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Of course they charged her .... that was more politics than law.

she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Obviously there is dope as there was no weapon found and she is charged.

Why didn't he comply to commands? Now he's dead. Fuck him.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You think it was a mistake? What led you to believe that? White benefit of the doubt?

Sure, why would any relatively young woman murder someone on purpose and throw their own life away for the "pleasure" of murdering someone? When I say mistake, its just my opinion, she was probably afraid because he wasn't responding when she repeatedly told him to get down on his knees, then she mistook some motion as a threat, its hard because its not exactly a clear picture from the angle I can see

White benefit of doubt? what would you call it if the officer was black? i dont think white has anything to do with it.

She would do it for a variety of reasons. First she probably thought she would never get caught on camera. Secondly she may have been attempting to pass initiation.

I would call it a crime and i certainly wouldnt be making excuses and trying to smooth over what a Black officer had done.

Absolutely fucking ridiculous --- initiation???

Are you serious???

Obviously you have never played sports or been part of any elite organization in your life.

Obviously not .... unless, of course, you count college baseball teams, military units, and elite paramilitary organizations.

elite paramilitary organizations.

 

[Sundance508]

For all you Trump supporters out there who are saying that this police officer was justified.................hate to tell you....................but even your fearless leader Trump says that this woman choked.

Like I said a few posts before..................

The dude was driving down the road when he had car trouble (probably electrical), and he ended up in the middle of the road. He either (a) knows that he doesn't have road flares or (b) checks the trunk an sees that he has nothing to signal drivers about the hazard in the road. So, noticing that it's twilight, he goes back 100 feet so as to be able to signal other drivers about the hazard like he learned in drivers education (as did I).

Meanwhile, while he's dealing with the car, someone sees his car in the road and calls 911 to report it. The cops are already edgy because of the recent bombings and attacks, so they send several units, as well as a helo, to check out what is going on.

When the cops get there, they see a black man behind a stopped vehicle. They tell him to show his hands (which he does by raising them above his head), and then probably asked him for ID. Well, since he left it in his vehicle, he starts walking back towards the car to get it. He gets to the side of the vehicle, and one cop has a taser drawn, the other has a gun.

He reaches for the handle, the officers hear a metallic "click", and thinking there might be something bad happening one hits him with the taser. Now, when you have 50,000 volts traveling through your body, your muscles tend to go stiff and lock up, and you twitch. Most people's reaction is to reach straight down between their legs, because that is how their arm muscles lock up.

Officer rookie (the woman with the gun) sees him twitching with his hands between his legs thinks he's going for a gun and shoots him dead.

He was already tasered. And, if you're hit with a police taser, until they either disconnect the wires, or pull the darts out of your skin, all they have to do to lock you up again is to pull the trigger. There have been instances where it's been proven that people have been tasered multiple times by the police.

If I was the lawyer for this family, I'd get a mechanic to go over the vehicle to see if it was malfunctioning, and also would ask that if the guy already has taser darts in him, why was it necessary for the other cop to shoot?

She should get manslaughter at the very least and serve at least 2 years IMHO.

The problem with your 'fantasy' is that a witness says something quite different.

 

[martybegan]

Shelby was a "drug expert."

She knew how to "recognize" a problem then.

Why did she not notice the door was closed and the window rolled up.

Yeah, she will be tried.

And probably put on probation. The bar for prosecuting a police officer is very, very high. And the policemen's unions will be all over this, and they have very good lawyers.

That's part of the problem...............the police unions protect the bad ones even when they know they're guilty.

And yeah.................exactly what was the threat when he had his hands up, the car door was closed, and the window was up? Was he some sort of wizard who could reach through solid matter to grab a non existent gun?

She's being charged for manslaughter instead of murder (a lesser charge). If found guilty, she should be fired permanently from her duties.

I mean..................if you get a Less Than Honorable discharge from the military for screwing up, you never get to enlist again. The consequences for her should be the same because she's shown that she doesn't have the judgement or temperament to be a police officer, because she panics too easy.

That's actually a problem with most unions. Look at the Teachers Union in NYC and famed rubber rooms. The problem is helping the worst of the worst retain their jobs is "low hanging fruit" for union leadership, it makes them look like they are doing something, for minimal effort.

As for your 2nd point, that rule should be in effect even before something like this happens. If a cop has too many violations of service rules, they should be found another job in government, something without access to a gun or the ability to arrest people. I say do that instead of firing them to get over the "what about my pension" hump the union would put up.

You can go mow grass in the park, but you can't be a cop.

 

[Sundance508]

From the article:

"There was no weapon found in the car."

Watch how scumbags try to change this fact over the next 48 hours...

I got a dollar says she walks ... she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Of course they charged her .... that was more politics than law.

she had reason to believe there was a weapon in the car. There is no other practicable rationale for his actions.

Obviously there is dope as there was no weapon found and she is charged.

Why didn't he comply to commands? Now he's dead. Fuck him.

Still too many like him out there....but wait...they are trying to turn their lives around....whilst hauling dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

She would do it for a variety of reasons. First she probably thought she would never get caught on camera. Secondly she may have been attempting to pass initiation.

I would call it a crime and i certainly wouldnt be making excuses and trying to smooth over what a Black officer had done.

Put down the pipe homes' there were other Cops there. She did not think she was going to get away with anything. If anything SHE panicked and shot when maybe could have waited. She should have been home mopping floors. Leftist want 90lb women in special forces..............pssst.....it won't work.

She did us all a favor. did you see the rap sheet? did you see how crazy perp was acting? pow! right in the kisser. save some paperwork.

The other cops wouldnt have turned her in. Most likely they were racists as well.

You know --- it's interesting.

You run around here bitching and moaning about how everybody profiles blacks ....

... but you have no problem whatsoever profiling cops, do you?

What goes around, comes around.

Profiling?
She's charged!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sure, why would any relatively young woman murder someone on purpose and throw their own life away for the "pleasure" of murdering someone? When I say mistake, its just my opinion, she was probably afraid because he wasn't responding when she repeatedly told him to get down on his knees, then she mistook some motion as a threat, its hard because its not exactly a clear picture from the angle I can see

White benefit of doubt? what would you call it if the officer was black? i dont think white has anything to do with it.

She would do it for a variety of reasons. First she probably thought she would never get caught on camera. Secondly she may have been attempting to pass initiation.

I would call it a crime and i certainly wouldnt be making excuses and trying to smooth over what a Black officer had done.

I didn't say she should be found innocent of manslaugter. But wait, you say she Probably thought she wouldn't get caught on camera??? everyone knows everything is video'd now, thats just a ridiculous statement. Not trying to smooth over someone's responsibility, just looking at reasons she would have been jumpy. Unfortunantly for this guy, he also put himself in a dangerous position by refusing to listen to the officer. Now why would someone do that? Pride? I'm not trying to make excuses, just trying to look at what might have happened.

what would your other variety of reasons be? She just hated black people? really just wanted to shoot someone today? It just couldnt be that she was nervous and let that get the best of her could it? oh no, cause she was a WHITE.

I never claimed you said she should be found innocent. I said you were trying to smooth it over as if it was all just some tragic accident for her.

Yes cops do crooked stuff all the time when they dont think they are going to be caught. Like the cop that put a gun to my head for walking home at the age of 9.

Blaming the guy for her lack of professionalism is exactly what I was talking about. She shot him after or while he was being tazed. What exactly was she panicking about?

He didnt make very much of a move, and did not appear to be much of a threat with all those cops around, which is why I believe she should still be found responsible. An innocent man lost his life. He did no crime. But you ask why would she be nervous? because, previous to the video, he was also refusing to follow orders to remove his hands from his pockets and later when guns are drawn on him he refuses to stop. Not saying that makes him a bad guy at all, but to a COP, they have no idea at that point whether this guy is a sweet father or brother, only that hes refusing orders while guns are drawn on him, which will make a cop nervous every time. Doesnt matter if your black, white or yellow, there gonna think your up to something no good.

But you dont shoot someone for not following orders. i wonder where the disconnect is with the apologists?

The disconnect has to be that a white woman is going down over a black man.

 

[Sundance508]

(CNN) Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby has been charged with felony manslaughter in the first degree, Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler told reporters Thursday.

Shelby fatally shot 40-year-old Terence Crutcher after his SUV stopped in a roadway last week.

Tulsa police officer Betty Shelby charged with manslaughter - CNN.com

Why?

What the fuck do you mean, "why?" BECAUSE SHE SHOT AND KILLED HIM, IDIOT.

He made a sudden action in light of commands from her. She has a right to defend her own life.

Her life was never threatened.

What was the reason for her to have ever drawn her weapon in the first place?

Hindsight is always 20/20....the officer of the court did not have that benefit unfortunately.

You are just another example of morons who come on a thread and are not up to speed...try reading a few posts before you come on here and put your ignorance on here for everyone to see.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

How's she supposed to see that from BEHIND the car? She did what was right....coon should have stopped and got on ground and NONE of this would have happened.

Why are you lying? Through her attorney, she said she saw him reaching into the vehicle's window.

I'm not lying. I am explaining things from MY point of view. From MY point of view she can't see if the window is up or down. Again its his fault.Listen to the instructions and don't get shot!

Your point of view is meaningless. Her's will be the one on trial, not yours. And her claim is she shot him because he was reaching into the window of the vehicle.

That's gonna be a yuge hurdle for her to overcome.

The window was up.

It's down. The windows are tinted. I see leather tan seats.

Have you ever seen a vehicle with clear front windows and tinted rear windows?

Every SUV and minivan ever made?

 

[Sundance508]

She would do it for a variety of reasons. First she probably thought she would never get caught on camera. Secondly she may have been attempting to pass initiation.

I would call it a crime and i certainly wouldnt be making excuses and trying to smooth over what a Black officer had done.

I didn't say she should be found innocent of manslaugter. But wait, you say she Probably thought she wouldn't get caught on camera??? everyone knows everything is video'd now, thats just a ridiculous statement. Not trying to smooth over someone's responsibility, just looking at reasons she would have been jumpy. Unfortunantly for this guy, he also put himself in a dangerous position by refusing to listen to the officer. Now why would someone do that? Pride? I'm not trying to make excuses, just trying to look at what might have happened.

what would your other variety of reasons be? She just hated black people? really just wanted to shoot someone today? It just couldnt be that she was nervous and let that get the best of her could it? oh no, cause she was a WHITE.

I never claimed you said she should be found innocent. I said you were trying to smooth it over as if it was all just some tragic accident for her.

Yes cops do crooked stuff all the time when they dont think they are going to be caught. Like the cop that put a gun to my head for walking home at the age of 9.

Blaming the guy for her lack of professionalism is exactly what I was talking about. She shot him after or while he was being tazed. What exactly was she panicking about?

He didnt make very much of a move, and did not appear to be much of a threat with all those cops around, which is why I believe she should still be found responsible. An innocent man lost his life. He did no crime. But you ask why would she be nervous? because, previous to the video, he was also refusing to follow orders to remove his hands from his pockets and later when guns are drawn on him he refuses to stop. Not saying that makes him a bad guy at all, but to a COP, they have no idea at that point whether this guy is a sweet father or brother, only that hes refusing orders while guns are drawn on him, which will make a cop nervous every time. Doesnt matter if your black, white or yellow, there gonna think your up to something no good.

But you dont shoot someone for not following orders. i wonder where the disconnect is with the apologists?

The disconnect has to be that a white woman is going down over a black man.

She will not serve any time....she will not be convicted of anything...the grand jury will investigate and all the facts will come out...they will wait a lil while...to let the savages calm down so there will be little risk of riots, looting and burning...just common sense to throw a bone to the savages.