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Russia took it's land by force. Under the Czars..........The Bolshviks took land by force after Lenin took power and slaughtered his own people. Took Ukraine by force who resisted Communism............and LOST TO POLAND who were the WARSAW PACT OF THE TIME.Wrong.
NATO is totally and completely corrupt.
It is the last of the historic colonial imperialists, like Spain, France, England, and the US.
It is corrupt because it does not use the rule of law, blind justice, codified laws or constitutional protections.
It is just greed and desire.
I guess those Russian tanks rolling through the Eastern Bloc countries were just a figment of our imaginations along with their decades of threats to destroy the west and their attempts to do so in proxy wars.NATO pretending the Soviet Union was some sort of threat after WWII, was disgusting.
An arsenal of nukes left by the Russians when the Soviet Union collapsed because they could not afford to move or maintain them.LIAR
Ukraine Gave Up a Giant Nuclear Arsenal 30 Years Ago. Today There Are Regrets. (Published 2022)
When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine turned over thousands of atomic weapons in exchange for security guarantees from Russia, the United States and other countries.www.nytimes.com
Sending in Human waves with outdated battle tactics kinda does that to you. Emptying the MASSIVE GULAGS of prisoners who didn't want to be communitst and sending them in HUMAN WAVES into machine gun nests so Germany would run out of bullets is another reason.Wrong.
The intent of NATO is to ensure colonial imperialism, as it did by murdering Qaddafi and Saddam, deposing Morsi, and trying to murder Assad.
The main NATO players are the ones who started all the illegal European wars, like WWI and WWII.
NATO is about the worst organization in the world.
NATO pretending the Soviet Union was some sort of threat after WWII, was disgusting.
Russia had lost over half of its male population in WWII.
In contrast, the US lost only a quarter million out of 150 million.
The US had the very smallest death losses in WWII of all, and had a bigger population than any other country involved except China.
They were part of the Soviet Union. They have as much right to them as Moscow did. It's all Hype.An arsenal of nukes left by the Russians when the Soviet Union collapsed because they could not afford to move or maintain them.
Ukraine didn't want the expense of maintaining them either hence the Minsk agreement five years later.
During the Soviet Era much of their production and research on nukes was done in Ukraine along with bunch of the launch capability.
That's how Ukraine ended up with a pile of nukes it didn't want or need.
NATO has stabilized Europe and turned long term adversaries into long term alliesWrong.
The intent of NATO is to ensure colonial imperialism, as it did by murdering Qaddafi and Saddam, deposing Morsi, and trying to murder Assad.
The main NATO players are the ones who started all the illegal European wars, like WWI and WWII.
NATO is about the worst organization in the world.
NATO pretending the Soviet Union was some sort of threat after WWII, was disgusting.
Russia had lost over half of its male population in WWII.
In contrast, the US lost only a quarter million out of 150 million.
The US had the very smallest death losses in WWII of all, and had a bigger population than any other country involved except China.
And at the same time the U.S. promised they wouldn't expand NATO membership to any more countries. Then proceeded over the next few years to allow several countries that bordered Russia to join NATO.
Don't forget the Ukraine's betrayal of the Minsk agreement and thir continous waging of war in the Donbass since 2014 and even before!
No, Russia never did intend to invade the Ukraine. Russia had to have known that it was getting into a losing proposition, but couldn't not finally take a stand.
And of course Russia acted with the confidence of their nuclear arsenal. Both from the POV that they wouldn't/couldn't be attacked by the US and also that the US couldn't ever defeat Russia.
Now the mutually agreed upon limitations are proving that out. If either America or Russia push the envelope on the agreed upon limitations, world war 3 will begin.
If the limitations are adhered to then nobody really knows how it will end. We can only know that Russia is never going to accept defeat.
Anybody still thinking that Nato is important now is engaged in wishful thinking!
Obviously, the provocation for Finland and Sweden expressing their wish, as independent states, to join the defensive coalition of democratic nations is Russia, unprovoked, unilaterally invading Ukraine.NATO has stabilized Europe and turned long term adversaries into long term allies
NATO is a defensive alliance, there is no corruption, duh.Wrong.
NATO is totally and completely corrupt.
It is the last of the historic colonial imperialists, like Spain, France, England, and the US.
It is corrupt because it does not use the rule of law, blind justice, codified laws or constitutional protections.
It is just greed and desire.
Obviously, the provocation for Finland and Sweden expressing their wish, as independent states, to join the defensive coalition of democratic nations is Russia, unprovoked, unilaterally invading Ukraine.
Since they already coordinate military exercises with NATO and Great Britain has confirmed it would come to their assistance militarily, their indicating their solidarity with the community of allied democratic nations in that manner may be of more import than actual membership. ("Obsolete" NATO is quite the going concern these days, thanks to the Rooskie despot.)
The "savvy genius" has proved himself neither, but his desire to weaken NATO so egregiously backfiring via the further NATO-ization of Europe, might only send him over the edge, the threat of Finland and Sweden being a warning and negotiating tool more than an actual deterrent in its fulfillment.
The Ukes had their own weapons, like ships. I remember that there was almost an earlier war when the USSR broke up and the Ukraine wanted their weapons and ships and Russia wanted them too. The USSR breakup was a mess, that's why there was a Budapest Memorandum in the first place. The Ukraine gave up "their" nukes. Russia didn't just remove "their" nukes.The Ukraine never had any of their own nukes,
The Soviet nukes stationed in the Ukraine were controlled entirely by Moscow, and only Russians had launch codes.
Since Kyiv was constantly stealing oil, violating treaties, massacring ethnic Russians, trying to join NATO, etc., the ONLY possible "off ramp" now is a totally change of those in power in Kyiv.
But your suggestions might work.
I don't know what Moscow would accept?
We are about to witness Russia, already punching far above its economic weight, now consigned to pariah status by Putin, being further impoverished. The oligarch flotilla will have to be scrapped to keep the borscht flowing.Putin has only strengthened the global alliance against Russia
Not only that but he has exposed the military and economic weakness of his country that will be exploited in future conflicts
Putin has an economy built on oilWe are about to witness Russia, already punching far above its economic weight, now consigned to pariah status by Putin, being further impoverished. The oligarch flotilla will have to be scrapped to keep the borscht flowing.
Eschewing globalist realities is not profitable.
Oleaginous Arab nations have seen the inevitable progress in the offing and have been diversifying for years.Putin has an economy built on oil
At a time the world is moving to alternative fuels and ending their economic relationship with Russia
Turkey is in a Currency and Debt crisis, Erdogan is starting to loose control... Turkey know that he will be gone in a few years and they have to make the choice of East or West... Money is in the West, EU membership is in the west, NATO is in the west....
Turkey's leader opposes letting Finland, Sweden join NATO
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says his country is “not favorable” toward Finland and Sweden joining NATOabcnews.go.com
NATOs 2nd largest army and America's largest. most important ally will veto Finland and Sweden if they apply for NATO membership.
Doesn't look like NATO alliance has become brittle over the decades when one of the most important members is defying the US and NATO.
The Americans once shit themselves when Turkey bought the S-400s from Russia, lets see the US reaction when a vital ally defies them yet again.
I say Turkey are puffing the chest but when it comes down to it they will back down... There is no Trump to bully around in the White House, Turkey are in a financial mess and pissing off your rich neighbours is not the thing to do...I can't name one instance when Turkey was good for anything. Turkey just sounds like something I should be hunting right now. Damn, I need to buy a shotgun.
Thanks asshole, now I want to eat fried turkey.
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Hopefully
Trump forced jack shit... He compromised himself when he dropped his trousers when meeting Putin and undermining US Intelligence agencies...NATO is a defensive alliance, there is no corruption, duh.
Only freeloader countries who don't meet spending commitments, until Trump forced the issue.
Trump forced jack shit... He compromised himself when he dropped his trousers when meeting Putin and undermining US Intelligence agencies...
He then bitched about NATO spending targets which were meant to be met until 2022.. (it was 2020)...
Trump was considered a liability in NATO and his advisors said he would have probably left NATO if he won a second term
