Two bomb attacks take place in Dresden, Germany

[coldjoint]

Nice how you bolded the fact that there was a family inside. We know Islamic attacks never kill woman and children.

But we cannot play by there rules for some reason. Which brings up why would we tolerate a culture whose religions actually sanctions terror? Violence is one of Islams favorite answers. Maybe someone has decided to follow the Golden Rule and do unto to Islam what some have done to non-Muslims.

Also these new terrorists, if that is the case, will be just as popular as Muslim terrorists are to Muslims. They will be aided and hidden like resistence leaders in WWII. Heroes to some people for taking fight directly to the source. Multi culture will literally explode.

The Golden Rule doesn't tell you to target innocents.

There is no heroism there.

I didn't say there was. But heroes are heroes for different reasons to different people. And speaking of innocents, Islam does not consider non-Muslims as innocents. Dualism prevents that in Islam. Non- Muslims are afforded nothing in Islamic doctrine but the choice of submission or death. And Islam, because of that, is the only religion without a Golden Rule.

Untrue. Islam has a Golden Rule, expressed multiple times:

"Be kind to your neighbor and you will be a believer; love for the people what you love for yourself and you will be a Muslim"
“None of you has faith until he loves for his brother or his neighbor what he loves for himself.”
“None of you has faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself; and until he loves a person only for the sake of Allah the Exalted.”[
"The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself of goodness."

It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

You posted an interpretation. The verse does not include disbelievers this guy just throws them in. This comes from a commentary which is just an opinion. Nice try.

Now find me a verse that says non-Muslims are equal to Muslims.

While you are doing that here is the real hadith:

Hadith #13: "None of You [Truly} Believes Until..."

love for that brother what he loves for himself. If a person is not yet at that
stage, this means that he is not yet at the stage of true and complete faith.

Al-Sindi pointed out that at that stage one loves only for the sake of
Allah. All believers are equal to him, whether they be close relatives or distant
folk. He then says that very few people reach that state. However, if a person
cannot reach that state completely, he should reach the highest level he can
with respect to that goal. 1

If a believer sees his brother lacking in his religion, he strives his best to
improve the plight of his brother — as piety is the best that he can achieve
for himself and it is what he should wish for his brother also. One of the
early pious people said, "Those who love each other for the sake of Allah
look by the light of Allah. They, for the sake of Allah, have compassion for
those who commit sins. They hate their deeds but have compassion for
them. They try to change their ways by admonishing them to stop their
deeds and they show pity for them to keep their bodies away from the
Fire." 2

https://archive.org/stream/CommentaryOnTheFortyHadithOfAlNawawi/Commentary on the Forty Hadith o
These things are meant for Muslims only. There is no golden rule just apologies and diliberate mis- interpretations.

Here is a rebuttal: Islam has no Golden Rule?

One of the myths repeated continously by Islamophobes and their supporters is the idea that Islam does not have an equivalent to the golden rule any where in its sacred texts. This myth is transformed into talking points and repeated over and over again until it takes on the status of truth.

This is a well known method amongst those in the Islamophobic Industrial Complex, “Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes truth.” This method of propaganda was employed by the Nazis to devestating effect and today such wackos as JihadWatch, LGF, Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and other clones are using it to achieve similar ends: the dehumanization of Muslims (who ‘unlike’ everyone else have no golden rule and thus are barbarians) and the extermination of Islam.

The bone of contention lies in the hadith narrated in Bukhari and Muslim and also in Nawawi’s Forty Hadith which states that, “None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[1] Muslims believe that this applies generally to Bani Adam, or the Children of Adam (all humankind) as has been explained by such luminaries in this Ummah as Imam Ahmad(ra) and Imam Nawawi(ra) himself. The Islamophobes attempt to interpret Islamic scripture by telling Muslims that their belief in the wording of the hadith is wrong and that the true meaning of “brother” is restricted to Muslims only, whereas all non Muslims are excluded.

This re-interpretation flies in the face of classical scholarship and is supported by nothing. The re-interpretation exposes and highlights the pseudo-scholarship of these Islamophobes.

Lets for a second say that this illegitimate interpretation is allowed, it still does not explain the following hadith that also refers to the golden rule, (I tried to give it in Arabic but wasnt able to, but I provide the link and here it is in English):

It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abd Rabb al-Ka’ba who said: I entered the mosque when ‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As was sitting in the shade of the Ka’ba and the people had gathered around him. I betook myself to them and sat near him. (Now) Abdullah said: I accompanied the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on a journey. We halted at a place. Some of us began to set right their tents, others began to compete with one another in shooting, and others began to graze their beasts, when an announcer of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) announced that the people should gather together for prayer, so we gathered around the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: It was the duty of every Prophet that has gone before me to guide his followers to what he knew was good for them and warn them against what he knew was bad for them; but this Umma of yours has its days of peace and (security) in the beginning of its career, and in the last phase of its existence it will be afflicted with trials and with things disagreeable to you. (In this phase of the Umma), there will be tremendous trials one after the other, each making the previous one dwindle into insignificance. When they would be afflicted with a trial, the believer would say: This is going to bring about my destruction. When at (the trial) is over, they would be afflicted with another trial, and the believer would say: This surely is going to be my end. Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them. He who swears allegiance to a Caliph should give him the piedge of his hand and the sincerity of his heart (i.e. submit to him both outwardly as well as inwardly). He should obey him to the best of his capacity. It another man comes forward (as a claimant to Caliphate), disputing his authority, they (the Muslims) should behead the latter. The narrator says: I came close to him (‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As) and said to him: Can you say on oath that you heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? He pointed with his hands to his ears and his heart and said: My ears heard it and my mind retained it. I said to him: This cousin of yours, Mu’awiya, orders us to unjustly consume our wealth among ourselves and to kill one another, while Allah says: “O ye who believe, do not consume your wealth among yourselves unjustly, unless it be trade based on mutual agreement, and do not kill yourselves. Verily, God is Merciful to you” (iv. 29). The narrator says that (hearing this) Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-As kept quiet for a while and then said: Obey him in so far as he is obedient to God; and diqobey him in matters involving disobedience to God.[2]​

PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOLD! It states “whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be treated.” The statement is clear and obvious and there is no way around it for the pseudo-scholars of the Islamophobic Industrial Complex. Here the Prophet(pbuh) uses the Arabic word “Naas” which means PEOPLE, not “brother,” “Muslim brother” but ‘people’ which is as general as possible. ​

The only way you enter Paradise is to be a Muslim that is what your bolded part really says. Think guy.

Alswo using the word Islamophobe shows your are trying to stop this conversation by intimidating me. Homey don't play that game. Fear, really awreness, of Islam is not irrational.

 

[TNHarley]

Dresden mosque and congress centre hit by two bomb blasts

Police suspect a far-right motive after two improvised explosive devices detonated outside a mosque and congress centre in Dresden just before and after 10pm on Monday.


No one was injured during the two attacks in the eastern German city, but the mosque’s 46-year-old imam, his wife and their two children were inside the building when the first bomb went off.


Imam Hamza Turan told Sächsische Zeitung newspaper that six bottles filled with explosive gas had been found at the site of the attack. “They attacked us because they hate us, because we are Muslims”, Turan’s 10-year-old son told the local paper.


The second improvised device exploded on a terrace facing the river Elbe, between the International Congress Centre and the Maritim hotel. The hotel bar was evacuated as a result.


Horst Kretzschmar, the president of Dresden’s police force, said that even though no group had claimed responsibility it was assuming a “xenophobic motive” behind the attack. ​

whats your point with the bolded?

 

[Coyote]

Another interesting bit on the Golden Rule, and how it is often contradicted by other verses in religious texts in

One more article that also says that Islam is devoid of the Golden Rule.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/BrianMacker51014.htm

Please find what you disagree with. Good luck. Maybe find this made up hadith.

There is no such hadith. Please try to find it. What does (hadith 2 page 75) mean? This is not a correct reference.

Here is another one: Golden rule in Islam to love for humanity what you love for yourself

Many scholars interpreted “brother” in this and other traditions to mean universal brotherhood that includes all of humanity.


An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:


الأولى أن يحمل ذلك على عموم الأخوة حتى يشمل الكافر والمسلم فيحب لأخيه الكافر ما يحب لنفسه من دخوله في الإسلام كما يحب لأخيه المسلم دوامه على الإسلام ولهذا كان الدعاء بالهداية للكافر مستحبا والمراد بالمحبة إرادة الخير والمنفعة ثم المراد المحبة الدينية لا المحبة البشرية


This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.


Source: Sharḥ al-Arba’īn 13


And Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami writes:


والذي يظهر أن تعبيره بالأخ جري على الغالب لأنه ينبغي لكل مسلم أن يحب للكفار الإسلام وما يتفرع عليه من الكمالات … قوله يحب لنفسه أي من الخير فيكون معه كالنفس الواحدة


What is apparent is that the use of the word brother is based upon its widest meaning, such that it is befitting for every Muslim to love for the unbeliever to have Islam and the virtues that derive from it… His saying to love for himself means of what is good, so that he will be together with them as if they were one person.


Source: al-Fatḥ al-Mubīn 1/305


And Hamza Muhammad Qasim writes:


الأولى أن يحمل قوله حتى يحب لأخيه على عموم الأخوة حتى يشمل الكافر و المسلم فيحب لأخيه الكافر ما يحب لنفسه من الدخول في الإسلام ولذلك ندب الدعاء له بالهداية وقد كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يدعو لكفار قريش بالخير و يحبه لهم و يقول اللهم اهد قومي فإنهم لا يعلمون ومما يؤكد أن المراد محبة الخير للناس جميعاً لا فرق بين مسلم وكافر قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم أفضل الإيمان أن تحب للناس ما تحب لنفسك و تكره لهم ما تكره لنفسك


The Prophet’s saying to love for his brother what he loves for himself is interpreted as universal brotherhood, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim, and he should love for his brother the disbeliever what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam. For this reason it is recommended to supplicate for their guidance. The Prophet invited the unbelievers of the Quraish to goodness and he loved good for them. He would say: O Allah, guide my people for they do not know. This confirms that the meaning is to love good for all people. There is no difference between a Muslim and a disbeliever in his saying that the best faith is to love for people what you love for yourself and to hate for people what you hate for yourself.


Source: Manār al-Qārī 1/91​

 

[coldjoint]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

 

[theHawk]

The police are calling this likely the acts of xenophobes. It could be Muslims increasing their victim status. Being no one was hurt, I tend to believe the latter.

Germany bomb attacks: Mosque, conference center targeted - CNN.com

It will be interesting to see if there will be any follow up when those responsible are caught. If this story fades away then we know it was Muslims.

Funny when there is a terror attack, the government and media all say "don't jump to conclusions" and "wait for the facts", and even after a Muslim is caught, they are "searching for the motive". Now suddenly without any intel or witnesses, they declare it has to be "xenophobes" and they know the motive is "racism".

Progressives are the ultimate hypocrites.

 

[theHawk]

Another interesting bit on the Golden Rule, and how it is often contradicted by other verses in religious texts in

One more article that also says that Islam is devoid of the Golden Rule.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/BrianMacker51014.htm

Please find what you disagree with. Good luck. Maybe find this made up hadith.

There is no such hadith. Please try to find it. What does (hadith 2 page 75) mean? This is not a correct reference.

Here is another one: Golden rule in Islam to love for humanity what you love for yourself

Many scholars interpreted “brother” in this and other traditions to mean universal brotherhood that includes all of humanity.


An-Nawawi comments on this tradition, saying:


الأولى أن يحمل ذلك على عموم الأخوة حتى يشمل الكافر والمسلم فيحب لأخيه الكافر ما يحب لنفسه من دخوله في الإسلام كما يحب لأخيه المسلم دوامه على الإسلام ولهذا كان الدعاء بالهداية للكافر مستحبا والمراد بالمحبة إرادة الخير والمنفعة ثم المراد المحبة الدينية لا المحبة البشرية


This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.


Source: Sharḥ al-Arba’īn 13


And Ibn Hajar Al-Haytami writes:


والذي يظهر أن تعبيره بالأخ جري على الغالب لأنه ينبغي لكل مسلم أن يحب للكفار الإسلام وما يتفرع عليه من الكمالات … قوله يحب لنفسه أي من الخير فيكون معه كالنفس الواحدة


What is apparent is that the use of the word brother is based upon its widest meaning, such that it is befitting for every Muslim to love for the unbeliever to have Islam and the virtues that derive from it… His saying to love for himself means of what is good, so that he will be together with them as if they were one person.


Source: al-Fatḥ al-Mubīn 1/305


And Hamza Muhammad Qasim writes:


الأولى أن يحمل قوله حتى يحب لأخيه على عموم الأخوة حتى يشمل الكافر و المسلم فيحب لأخيه الكافر ما يحب لنفسه من الدخول في الإسلام ولذلك ندب الدعاء له بالهداية وقد كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يدعو لكفار قريش بالخير و يحبه لهم و يقول اللهم اهد قومي فإنهم لا يعلمون ومما يؤكد أن المراد محبة الخير للناس جميعاً لا فرق بين مسلم وكافر قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم أفضل الإيمان أن تحب للناس ما تحب لنفسك و تكره لهم ما تكره لنفسك


The Prophet’s saying to love for his brother what he loves for himself is interpreted as universal brotherhood, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim, and he should love for his brother the disbeliever what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam. For this reason it is recommended to supplicate for their guidance. The Prophet invited the unbelievers of the Quraish to goodness and he loved good for them. He would say: O Allah, guide my people for they do not know. This confirms that the meaning is to love good for all people. There is no difference between a Muslim and a disbeliever in his saying that the best faith is to love for people what you love for yourself and to hate for people what you hate for yourself.


Source: Manār al-Qārī 1/91​

You're a female right? Your opinion doesn't matter according to Islamists. Your father will marry you off for a few goats.

 

[Coyote]

The Golden Rule doesn't tell you to target innocents.

There is no heroism there.

I didn't say there was. But heroes are heroes for different reasons to different people. And speaking of innocents, Islam does not consider non-Muslims as innocents. Dualism prevents that in Islam. Non- Muslims are afforded nothing in Islamic doctrine but the choice of submission or death. And Islam, because of that, is the only religion without a Golden Rule.

Untrue. Islam has a Golden Rule, expressed multiple times:

"Be kind to your neighbor and you will be a believer; love for the people what you love for yourself and you will be a Muslim"
“None of you has faith until he loves for his brother or his neighbor what he loves for himself.”
“None of you has faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself; and until he loves a person only for the sake of Allah the Exalted.”[
"The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself of goodness."

It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

You posted an interpretation. The verse does not include disbelievers this guy just throws them in. This comes from a commentary which is just an opinion. Nice try.

Now find me a verse that says non-Muslims are equal to Muslims.

While you are doing that here is the real hadith:

Hadith #13: "None of You [Truly} Believes Until..."

love for that brother what he loves for himself. If a person is not yet at that
stage, this means that he is not yet at the stage of true and complete faith.

Al-Sindi pointed out that at that stage one loves only for the sake of
Allah. All believers are equal to him, whether they be close relatives or distant
folk. He then says that very few people reach that state. However, if a person
cannot reach that state completely, he should reach the highest level he can
with respect to that goal. 1

If a believer sees his brother lacking in his religion, he strives his best to
improve the plight of his brother — as piety is the best that he can achieve
for himself and it is what he should wish for his brother also. One of the
early pious people said, "Those who love each other for the sake of Allah
look by the light of Allah. They, for the sake of Allah, have compassion for
those who commit sins. They hate their deeds but have compassion for
them. They try to change their ways by admonishing them to stop their
deeds and they show pity for them to keep their bodies away from the
Fire." 2

https://archive.org/stream/CommentaryOnTheFortyHadithOfAlNawawi/Commentary on the Forty Hadith o
These things are meant for Muslims only. There is no golden rule just apologies and diliberate mis- interpretations.

Here is a rebuttal: Islam has no Golden Rule?

One of the myths repeated continously by Islamophobes and their supporters is the idea that Islam does not have an equivalent to the golden rule any where in its sacred texts. This myth is transformed into talking points and repeated over and over again until it takes on the status of truth.

This is a well known method amongst those in the Islamophobic Industrial Complex, “Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes truth.” This method of propaganda was employed by the Nazis to devestating effect and today such wackos as JihadWatch, LGF, Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and other clones are using it to achieve similar ends: the dehumanization of Muslims (who ‘unlike’ everyone else have no golden rule and thus are barbarians) and the extermination of Islam.

The bone of contention lies in the hadith narrated in Bukhari and Muslim and also in Nawawi’s Forty Hadith which states that, “None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[1] Muslims believe that this applies generally to Bani Adam, or the Children of Adam (all humankind) as has been explained by such luminaries in this Ummah as Imam Ahmad(ra) and Imam Nawawi(ra) himself. The Islamophobes attempt to interpret Islamic scripture by telling Muslims that their belief in the wording of the hadith is wrong and that the true meaning of “brother” is restricted to Muslims only, whereas all non Muslims are excluded.

This re-interpretation flies in the face of classical scholarship and is supported by nothing. The re-interpretation exposes and highlights the pseudo-scholarship of these Islamophobes.

Lets for a second say that this illegitimate interpretation is allowed, it still does not explain the following hadith that also refers to the golden rule, (I tried to give it in Arabic but wasnt able to, but I provide the link and here it is in English):

It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abd Rabb al-Ka’ba who said: I entered the mosque when ‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As was sitting in the shade of the Ka’ba and the people had gathered around him. I betook myself to them and sat near him. (Now) Abdullah said: I accompanied the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on a journey. We halted at a place. Some of us began to set right their tents, others began to compete with one another in shooting, and others began to graze their beasts, when an announcer of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) announced that the people should gather together for prayer, so we gathered around the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: It was the duty of every Prophet that has gone before me to guide his followers to what he knew was good for them and warn them against what he knew was bad for them; but this Umma of yours has its days of peace and (security) in the beginning of its career, and in the last phase of its existence it will be afflicted with trials and with things disagreeable to you. (In this phase of the Umma), there will be tremendous trials one after the other, each making the previous one dwindle into insignificance. When they would be afflicted with a trial, the believer would say: This is going to bring about my destruction. When at (the trial) is over, they would be afflicted with another trial, and the believer would say: This surely is going to be my end. Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them. He who swears allegiance to a Caliph should give him the piedge of his hand and the sincerity of his heart (i.e. submit to him both outwardly as well as inwardly). He should obey him to the best of his capacity. It another man comes forward (as a claimant to Caliphate), disputing his authority, they (the Muslims) should behead the latter. The narrator says: I came close to him (‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As) and said to him: Can you say on oath that you heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? He pointed with his hands to his ears and his heart and said: My ears heard it and my mind retained it. I said to him: This cousin of yours, Mu’awiya, orders us to unjustly consume our wealth among ourselves and to kill one another, while Allah says: “O ye who believe, do not consume your wealth among yourselves unjustly, unless it be trade based on mutual agreement, and do not kill yourselves. Verily, God is Merciful to you” (iv. 29). The narrator says that (hearing this) Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-As kept quiet for a while and then said: Obey him in so far as he is obedient to God; and diqobey him in matters involving disobedience to God.[2]​

PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOLD! It states “whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be treated.” The statement is clear and obvious and there is no way around it for the pseudo-scholars of the Islamophobic Industrial Complex. Here the Prophet(pbuh) uses the Arabic word “Naas” which means PEOPLE, not “brother,” “Muslim brother” but ‘people’ which is as general as possible. ​

The only way you enter Paradise is to be a Muslim that is what your bolded part really says. Think guy.

Alswo using the word Islamophobe shows your are trying to stop this conversation by intimidating me. Homey don't play that game. Fear, really awreness, of Islam is not irrational.

And the only way to enter Heaven is to be a Christian. That's the problem with these religions so it's a meaningless criticism.

 

[Coyote]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

 

[coldjoint]

I didn't say there was. But heroes are heroes for different reasons to different people. And speaking of innocents, Islam does not consider non-Muslims as innocents. Dualism prevents that in Islam. Non- Muslims are afforded nothing in Islamic doctrine but the choice of submission or death. And Islam, because of that, is the only religion without a Golden Rule.

Untrue. Islam has a Golden Rule, expressed multiple times:

"Be kind to your neighbor and you will be a believer; love for the people what you love for yourself and you will be a Muslim"
“None of you has faith until he loves for his brother or his neighbor what he loves for himself.”
“None of you has faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself; and until he loves a person only for the sake of Allah the Exalted.”[
"The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for the people what he loves for himself of goodness."

It is better to interpret this as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.” [Sharh Arba’een An-Nawawi, Hadith Number 13]

You posted an interpretation. The verse does not include disbelievers this guy just throws them in. This comes from a commentary which is just an opinion. Nice try.

Now find me a verse that says non-Muslims are equal to Muslims.

While you are doing that here is the real hadith:

Hadith #13: "None of You [Truly} Believes Until..."

love for that brother what he loves for himself. If a person is not yet at that
stage, this means that he is not yet at the stage of true and complete faith.

Al-Sindi pointed out that at that stage one loves only for the sake of
Allah. All believers are equal to him, whether they be close relatives or distant
folk. He then says that very few people reach that state. However, if a person
cannot reach that state completely, he should reach the highest level he can
with respect to that goal. 1

If a believer sees his brother lacking in his religion, he strives his best to
improve the plight of his brother — as piety is the best that he can achieve
for himself and it is what he should wish for his brother also. One of the
early pious people said, "Those who love each other for the sake of Allah
look by the light of Allah. They, for the sake of Allah, have compassion for
those who commit sins. They hate their deeds but have compassion for
them. They try to change their ways by admonishing them to stop their
deeds and they show pity for them to keep their bodies away from the
Fire." 2

https://archive.org/stream/CommentaryOnTheFortyHadithOfAlNawawi/Commentary on the Forty Hadith o
These things are meant for Muslims only. There is no golden rule just apologies and diliberate mis- interpretations.

Here is a rebuttal: Islam has no Golden Rule?

One of the myths repeated continously by Islamophobes and their supporters is the idea that Islam does not have an equivalent to the golden rule any where in its sacred texts. This myth is transformed into talking points and repeated over and over again until it takes on the status of truth.

This is a well known method amongst those in the Islamophobic Industrial Complex, “Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes truth.” This method of propaganda was employed by the Nazis to devestating effect and today such wackos as JihadWatch, LGF, Ali Sina’s FaithFreedom and other clones are using it to achieve similar ends: the dehumanization of Muslims (who ‘unlike’ everyone else have no golden rule and thus are barbarians) and the extermination of Islam.

The bone of contention lies in the hadith narrated in Bukhari and Muslim and also in Nawawi’s Forty Hadith which states that, “None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”[1] Muslims believe that this applies generally to Bani Adam, or the Children of Adam (all humankind) as has been explained by such luminaries in this Ummah as Imam Ahmad(ra) and Imam Nawawi(ra) himself. The Islamophobes attempt to interpret Islamic scripture by telling Muslims that their belief in the wording of the hadith is wrong and that the true meaning of “brother” is restricted to Muslims only, whereas all non Muslims are excluded.

This re-interpretation flies in the face of classical scholarship and is supported by nothing. The re-interpretation exposes and highlights the pseudo-scholarship of these Islamophobes.

Lets for a second say that this illegitimate interpretation is allowed, it still does not explain the following hadith that also refers to the golden rule, (I tried to give it in Arabic but wasnt able to, but I provide the link and here it is in English):

It has been narrated on the authority of ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abd Rabb al-Ka’ba who said: I entered the mosque when ‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As was sitting in the shade of the Ka’ba and the people had gathered around him. I betook myself to them and sat near him. (Now) Abdullah said: I accompanied the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on a journey. We halted at a place. Some of us began to set right their tents, others began to compete with one another in shooting, and others began to graze their beasts, when an announcer of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) announced that the people should gather together for prayer, so we gathered around the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He said: It was the duty of every Prophet that has gone before me to guide his followers to what he knew was good for them and warn them against what he knew was bad for them; but this Umma of yours has its days of peace and (security) in the beginning of its career, and in the last phase of its existence it will be afflicted with trials and with things disagreeable to you. (In this phase of the Umma), there will be tremendous trials one after the other, each making the previous one dwindle into insignificance. When they would be afflicted with a trial, the believer would say: This is going to bring about my destruction. When at (the trial) is over, they would be afflicted with another trial, and the believer would say: This surely is going to be my end. Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them. He who swears allegiance to a Caliph should give him the piedge of his hand and the sincerity of his heart (i.e. submit to him both outwardly as well as inwardly). He should obey him to the best of his capacity. It another man comes forward (as a claimant to Caliphate), disputing his authority, they (the Muslims) should behead the latter. The narrator says: I came close to him (‘Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-‘As) and said to him: Can you say on oath that you heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? He pointed with his hands to his ears and his heart and said: My ears heard it and my mind retained it. I said to him: This cousin of yours, Mu’awiya, orders us to unjustly consume our wealth among ourselves and to kill one another, while Allah says: “O ye who believe, do not consume your wealth among yourselves unjustly, unless it be trade based on mutual agreement, and do not kill yourselves. Verily, God is Merciful to you” (iv. 29). The narrator says that (hearing this) Abdullah b. ‘Amr b. al-As kept quiet for a while and then said: Obey him in so far as he is obedient to God; and diqobey him in matters involving disobedience to God.[2]​

PAY ATTENTION TO THE BOLD! It states “whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and to enter Paradise…should treat the people as he wishes to be treated.” The statement is clear and obvious and there is no way around it for the pseudo-scholars of the Islamophobic Industrial Complex. Here the Prophet(pbuh) uses the Arabic word “Naas” which means PEOPLE, not “brother,” “Muslim brother” but ‘people’ which is as general as possible. ​

The only way you enter Paradise is to be a Muslim that is what your bolded part really says. Think guy.

Alswo using the word Islamophobe shows your are trying to stop this conversation by intimidating me. Homey don't play that game. Fear, really awreness, of Islam is not irrational.

And the only way to enter Heaven is to be a Christian. That's the problem with these religions so it's a meaningless criticism.

We aren't talking about Christianity are we?

 

[coldjoint]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

 

[Coyote]

The police are calling this likely the acts of xenophobes. It could be Muslims increasing their victim status. Being no one was hurt, I tend to believe the latter.

Germany bomb attacks: Mosque, conference center targeted - CNN.com

It will be interesting to see if there will be any follow up when those responsible are caught. If this story fades away then we know it was Muslims.

Funny when there is a terror attack, the government and media all say "don't jump to conclusions" and "wait for the facts", and even after a Muslim is caught, they are "searching for the motive". Now suddenly without any intel or witnesses, they declare it has to be "xenophobes" and they know the motive is "racism".

Progressives are the ultimate hypocrites.

It was the police who said "xenophobe", in the OP - presumably they have access to more info then we messageboard posters.

 

[Coyote]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

 

[coldjoint]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

No it is not, the more we talk, the worse you look.

 

[Coyote]

So what happens if we apply–treat others, as you want to be treated–to political Islam? All of the hurtful, hateful and harmful duality and submission disappear. What is amazing is how much of the Islamic doctrine goes away. About 61% of the Koran disappears. The Sira loses 75% of its words and 20% of the Hadith vanishes.

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself

This is interpreted as brotherhood in general, such that it includes the disbeliever and the Muslim. So he should love for his brother, the disbeliever, what he loves for himself which is his entering Islam, just as he should love for his brother Muslim that he remains in Islam. For this reason, it is recommended to supplicate for the disbeliever to be guided. The meaning of love here is an intention for good and benefit, and this meaning is religious love, not human love.

I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

No it is not, the more we talk, the worse you look.

Believe what you want.

I provided quotes and sources, and they aren't sources with an ax to grind.

 

[coldjoint]

The police are calling this likely the acts of xenophobes. It could be Muslims increasing their victim status. Being no one was hurt, I tend to believe the latter.

Germany bomb attacks: Mosque, conference center targeted - CNN.com

It will be interesting to see if there will be any follow up when those responsible are caught. If this story fades away then we know it was Muslims.

Funny when there is a terror attack, the government and media all say "don't jump to conclusions" and "wait for the facts", and even after a Muslim is caught, they are "searching for the motive". Now suddenly without any intel or witnesses, they declare it has to be "xenophobes" and they know the motive is "racism".

Progressives are the ultimate hypocrites.

It was the police who said "xenophobe", in the OP - presumably they have access to more info then we messageboard posters.

Those are same police who look for a motive after someone yells "Allah Akbur" and kills multiple victims. Pleeease.

 

[Coyote]

The police are calling this likely the acts of xenophobes. It could be Muslims increasing their victim status. Being no one was hurt, I tend to believe the latter.

Germany bomb attacks: Mosque, conference center targeted - CNN.com

It will be interesting to see if there will be any follow up when those responsible are caught. If this story fades away then we know it was Muslims.

Funny when there is a terror attack, the government and media all say "don't jump to conclusions" and "wait for the facts", and even after a Muslim is caught, they are "searching for the motive". Now suddenly without any intel or witnesses, they declare it has to be "xenophobes" and they know the motive is "racism".

Progressives are the ultimate hypocrites.

It was the police who said "xenophobe", in the OP - presumably they have access to more info then we messageboard posters.

Those are same police who look for a motive after someone yells "Allah Akbur" and kills multiple victims. Pleeease.

Motive is more complicated then simply yelling "Allah Akbur".

 

[coldjoint]

Golden Rule Islam - Political Islam
You are losing. I am presenting facts and you are using lies, kitman, taqqiya.

And you are repeating yourself
I have already debunked that lie.

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

No it is not, the more we talk, the worse you look.

Believe what you want.

I provided quotes and sources, and they aren't sources with an ax to grind.

They are sources that sugar coat Islam, that is all. The religion is violent, preaches supremacy, treats women like shit. And it says so in its own literature. And it obligates adherents to fight until Islam dominates the world.

That is the reality.

 

[coldjoint]

The police are calling this likely the acts of xenophobes. It could be Muslims increasing their victim status. Being no one was hurt, I tend to believe the latter.

Germany bomb attacks: Mosque, conference center targeted - CNN.com

It will be interesting to see if there will be any follow up when those responsible are caught. If this story fades away then we know it was Muslims.

Funny when there is a terror attack, the government and media all say "don't jump to conclusions" and "wait for the facts", and even after a Muslim is caught, they are "searching for the motive". Now suddenly without any intel or witnesses, they declare it has to be "xenophobes" and they know the motive is "racism".

Progressives are the ultimate hypocrites.

It was the police who said "xenophobe", in the OP - presumably they have access to more info then we messageboard posters.

Those are same police who look for a motive after someone yells "Allah Akbur" and kills multiple victims. Pleeease.

Motive is more complicated then simply yelling "Allah Akbur".

Bullshit.

 

[Coyote]

You debunked nothing. You offered your opinion. Are you an Islamic scholar?

In fact - your use of "kitman" and "taqqiya" (both terms you are using incorrectly) - is no different than my using Islamophobe in an attempt to "intimmidate".

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

No it is not, the more we talk, the worse you look.

Believe what you want.

I provided quotes and sources, and they aren't sources with an ax to grind.

They are sources that sugar coat Islam, that is all. The religion is violent, preaches supremacy, treats women like shit. And it says so in its own literature. And it obligates adherents to fight until Islam dominates the world.

That is the reality.

The reality is ancient world religions - like Islam, like Christianity, are complex and evolving and frequently contradict themselves. That is why scholars spend time trying to understand them.

I don't think you're a scholar. (nor am I).

 

[coldjoint]

Islamophobe is nothing but a club to silence critics of Islam and you know that. A telling half truths(kitman) and lying(taqqiya) is exactly what you are doing.

That is nothing more than a means to silence your opponents, and a misuse of the terms.

No it is not, the more we talk, the worse you look.

Believe what you want.

I provided quotes and sources, and they aren't sources with an ax to grind.

They are sources that sugar coat Islam, that is all. The religion is violent, preaches supremacy, treats women like shit. And it says so in its own literature. And it obligates adherents to fight until Islam dominates the world.

That is the reality.

The reality is ancient world religions - like Islam, like Christianity, are complex and evolving and frequently contradict themselves. That is why scholars spend time trying to understand them.

I don't think you're a scholar. (nor am I).

Do you need a scholar to tell you what non-assimilation means? Do you need a scholar to tell you what a pile of dead bodies is? Islam is not a mystery it states plainly, and often, what it is about.