Two MARRIED MEN with 9 adopted kids go on trial for child molesting

[MisterBeale]

This is what gay marriage is all about. Adopting kids and molesting
them. And democrats support this.

Reminds me of the joke about the poisonous snake and the man dying of his bite and the snake says, "Don't blame me! When I lied to you about how I would not be not biting you if you let me run free, you full well knew I was a snake."

Our organizer socialized services have lost their frickin' brains by farming innocent children out to child molesters, but we knew what they were when we paid for them through Democrats in Congress telling us to let them run free with our money.

So, gays are compared with poisonous snakes now.....

Not gays, predators. All predators. Within the government establishment, among political elites, it is one of the reasons there is a big push for "gay marriage" or civil unions. Social workers don't really give a shit, they just need homes for kids. And they don't really give a good god damn if they are good homes. They just need shelter. Some one to feed, cloth, and provide a roof for kids. Don't you ever hear the radio ads, or see the TV spots in your area?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tr5Cp8AYhFU#!]Married Gay Couple Who Adopted Nine CHILDREN Is Accused Of Molesting Them!! - YouTube[/ame]

Hell, the STATE is PAYING people to look after these animals. And that is exactly how the political elites regard unwanted kids, animals. Once the state has a place for these kids, and someone to feed, cloth and house them, the STATE will condition and mold their minds in it's institutions and by it's controlled media. Any that don't fit it will discard into the military or make a profit off of in the prison industry.

Or pay to house the next batch of animals. With any amount of luck, they won't eat the wrong food, drink the wrong water, be around the wrong chemicals, and be so loaded with stress so if they have kids, those kids will be biologically ok.

The elites are eugenicists. They have long known that the way to create a smaller population is to purposely create a homosexual population. Homosexuality IS NOT a choice. But neither is it natural or sacred. There are things we can do to fight against the power of the elites and the scientific Eugenicists, to save our families and our society from it's scourge. If you have friends and family afflicted, treat them with love and kindness, there is nothing wrong with how a person loves. . . .

http://www.helium.com/items/2311729-chemical-pollution-linked-to-upsurge-in-homosexuality-transgenderism
Study: Chemical pollution linked to upsurge in homosexuality, transgenderism

The study found the characteristics shaping the preference for the same sex is governed by the chemistry taking place in the womb during fetal development.

Neurologist Ivanka Savic-Berglund, the study's author, explained, that the traits are steered towards heterosexual or homosexual tendencies during pregnancy and extend into early infancy.

. . . . .

Research finds links between environmental pollutants and abnormal brain development

Some toxic chemicals don't kill outright, instead they mutate cells, change DNA, or affect the physiology of sexual developoment.

As far back as 2000 a study conducted of fish exposed to pollution in the Potomoc River revealed a whopping eight out of 10 males had morphed into females. The scientists were not only stunned, they were horrified.

The biological dysfunctions were found to have come about through exposure to endocrine disruptor.

Bisphenol-A and other phthalates are endocrine disruptors and are part of the chemical composition of plastic bottles that contain water, fruit juices and carbonated drinks. The phthalates can leak out over time and poison the product resulting in abnormal fetal brain development if the fetus is esxposed to the toxins in the mother's blood.

The universe and all it's causation's behind our desires are really larger than we imagine. Be good to each other. Don't imagine those in control at the very top have anything but staying in control and safe guarding their families and their own social strata's future in mind. Neo-Feudalism, making a homosexual population works great for them, it's all part of reducing the population agenda.

 

[koshergrl]

That's what you say about everyone who comments on the facts.

All their material is well sourced.

"ARE MEN WHO MOLEST BOYS REALLY 'HOMOSEXUALS'? Gay Apologists Insist on a Simplistic Stereotype of Pedophilia
Central to the attempts to separate homosexuality from pedophilia is the claim that pedophiles cannot, by definition, be considered homosexuals. Relying upon a questionable methodology[23], the gay advocacy organization Human Rights Campaign published a "Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation and Child Abuse," that states: "A sexual abuser who molests a child of the same sex is usually not considered homosexual."[24]
The basis for this claim is the view that pedophiles who molest boys cannot be considered homosexual if that individual has at any time been married or sexually involved with women.
'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term
The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and "pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object.
A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually attracted to girls.[25]"

Here are the references. Tell me which of these you maintain isn't reputable:


1. Dawn Fisher, "Adult Sex Offenders: Who are They? Why and How Do They Do It?" in Tony Morrison, et al., eds., Sexual Offending Against Children (London: Routledge, 1994), p. 11.
2. Kee MacFarlane, et al., Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment (New York: The Guilford Press, 1986), p. 9.
3. John Briere, et al.,eds., The APSAC Handbook on Child Maltreatment (Thousand Oaks, California: Sage Publications, 1996), pp. 52, 53.
4. Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 198; See also Freund, K, and Watson, R. J., "The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Paedophiles among Sex Offenders against Children: an Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 18 (1992): 34.
5. Bill Watkins and Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 300.
6. MacFarlane, p. 9.
7. Kurt Freund, et al., "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (1984): 197. "The proportional prevalence of offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent." See also, Kurt Freund, et al., "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," "Approximately one-third of these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls. This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two earlier studies," p. 107.
8. Watkins and Bentovim, p. 315.
9. Robert L. Johnson, "Long-term Effects of Sexual Abuse in Boys," Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality (September 1988): 38.
10. "Understanding and Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation," (U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, 1997), p. 12.
11. Watkins and Bentovim, p. 302.
12. Dan Black, et al., "Demographics of the Gay and Lesbian Population in the United States: Evidence from Available Systematic Data Sources," Demography 37 (May 2000): 141.
13. John O. G. Billy, et al., "The Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States," Family Planning Perspectives 25 (March/April 1993): 58.
14. J. Gordon Muir, "Homosexuals and the 10 percent Fallacy," Wall Street Journal (March 31, 1993).
15. Milton Diamond, "Homosexuality and Bisexuality in Different Populations," Archives of Sexual Behavior 22 (1993):300.
16. Ibid. Significantly, a number of studies that were surveyed, and which skewed the overall percentages of homosexuals upwards, included such vague definers as those having had "any homosexual body contact." In contrast, one study that was limited to self-identifying homosexuals found that less than 2 percent of the male respondents considered their "sexual orientation" to be homosexual, p. 293.
17. Freund, "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," p. 107. In this and previous studies, Freund claims that homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to be attracted to children (p. 115). However, Silverthorn, et al., mentions the limitations of studies by Freund and others: "Studies of homosexual male preferences are also limited. . . . The Freund et al.(1973) study was possibly compromised because the homosexual men used in the study were selected to be sexually attracted to adults, but not teenaged, males. The Bailey et al. (1994) study was limited in that it did not present participants with objective stimuli but simply asked participants to report what age of sexual partner they preferred . . . the Jankowiak et al. (1992) study . . . was limited in two ways: the homosexual male participants had a limited age range of 'middle-aged professionals' and the stimuli presented to participants were also of a limited age range ('university to middle-aged')." Silverthorn attempted to correct these deficiencies, and in his study found that homosexuals "preferred younger partners than those who preferred female partners"--in cluding those as young as fifteen. Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (February 2000): 67-76.
18. Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.
19. Ibid., p. 471.
20. John M. W. Bradford, et al., "The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia," Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988): 225. Elsewhere the study notes: "Researchers have variously estimated the incidence of homosexual pedophilia between 19 percent and 33 percent of reported molestations," p. 218.
21. Freund, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," p. 197.
22. Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581.
23. The fact sheet discusses a study by Carole Jenny, et al., which claims that only 2 of 269 child molesters could be identified as gay or lesbian. Carole Jenny, et al., "Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?" Pediatrics 94 (July 1994): 41-44. However, the Jenny study utilized an atypical research technique: the reported child molesters themselves were not interviewed. Instead, the researchers relied upon the subjective opinions of "informants" who accompanied the child victim to the medical clinic. The qualifications for such "informants" to determine the sexual behavior of the accused molester were not established. However, once it is "determined" beforehand that pedophiles who molest boys cannot be considered gay or homosexual if they have had sexual relations with women, it is a foregone conclusion that few if any of the pedophiles -who often have girlfriends, are married, and have children - will be labeled homosexual. The Jenny study used this narrow profile despite the fact that the study itself found that 22 percent of the perpetrators were of the same sex as the victim. In these cases the molesters clearly engaged in homosexual sexual molestation.
24. "Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation and Child Abuse," Human Rights Campaign (2001):available at: http://hrc.grassroots.com/family/soandchildabusefact/. The fact sheet discusses a study by Carole Jenny, et al., which claims that only 2 of 269 child molesters could be identified as gay or lesbian. Carole Jenny, et al., "Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?" pp. 41-44. However, the Jenny study utilized an atypical research technique. The reported child molesters themselves were not interviewed; instead, the researchers relied upon the subjective opinions of "informants" who accompanied the child victim to the medical clinic.
25. Note that the well-accepted definition of "child" as someone between infancy and the age of maturation is employed here.
26. Bradford, p.218.
27. "[Pedophiles] can be of either sex or any [sexual] orientation, i.e., homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual." Paedophilia:Some Questions and Answers (London: Paedophilic Informational Exchange, 1978); quoted in Seth L. Goldstein, "Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation:Law Enforcement's Role," FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 53 (January 1984): 23.
28. W. L. Marshall, et al., "Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences," Behavior Research and Therapy 26 (March 1988): 390.
29. Freund, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," p.194.
30. Ibid., p. 197.
31. Bradford, et al., p. 217.
32. Ibid., pp. 218, 219.
33. Marshall, p. 390.
34. James Bickley and Anthony R. Beech, "Classifying Child Abusers: Its Relevance to Theory and Clinical Practice," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (2001): 56.
35. Krisin A. Danni, et al., "An Analysis of Predicators of Child Sex Offender Types Using Presentence Investigation Reports," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 44 (2000): 491.
36. Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p.73.
37. Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275
38. Marshall, "Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences," p. 383.
39. W. L. Marshall, et al., "Early Onset and Deviant Sexuality in Child Molesters," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 6 (1991): 323-336.
40. W. D. Erickson, "Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters," Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.
41. John F. Harvey, O.S.F.S., The Homosexual Person: New Thinking in Pastoral Care (San Francisco: Ignatius Press:1987): 221
42. Ibid., p. 219.
43. Elliott, p. 581.
44. Marshall, "Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences," p. 383.
45. Bradford, p. 219.
46. Bradford, p. 224.
47. "Understanding and Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation," p. 5.
48. Thorstad is co�'author, with John Lauritsen, of The early homosexual rights movement (1864�'1935) (New York: Times Change Press, 1974).
49. David Thorstad, "May/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement" Journal of Homosexuality 20 (1990): 252.
50. Ibid., p. 253.
51. Ibid., p. 258.
52. Ibid., p. 266.
53. George Archibald, "U.N. Group Keeps Ban on Gay Lobby," Washington Times (May 1, 2002).
54. Raymond-Jean Frontain, "The Works of Allen Ginsberg," Journal of Homosexuality 34 (1997): 109.
55. Mary Eberstadt, "'Pedophilia Chic' Reconsidered" The Weekly Standard 6 (January 8, 2001).
56. Ibid., p. 21.
57. Ibid., p. 22.
58. Ibid.
59. Ibid.
60. Ibid., p. 23.
61. Ibid. Emphasis added by Eberstadt.
62. Ibid., p. 23.
63. Ibid.
64. From the Gay Men's Press website: www.gmppubs.co.uk/cgi-bin/web_store/web_store.cgi
65. Tom O'Carroll, Paedophilia: The Radical Case (Boston:Alyson Publications, 1982).
66. Daniel Tsang, editor, The Age Taboo: Gay Male Sexuality, Power, and Consent (Boston: Alyson Publications ; London : Gay Men's Press, 1981), p. 144.
67. Helmut Graupner, "Love Versus Abuse: Crossgenerational Sexual Relations of Minors: A Gay Rights Issue?" Journal of Homosexuality 37 (1999): 23, 26.
68. Paula Martinac, "Mixed Messages on Pedophilia Need to be Clarified, Unified," Washington Blade (March 15, 2002).
69. Ibid.
70. Marie, E. Tomeo, et al., "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539.
71. Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501.
72. Watkins and Bentovim, p. 316.
73. Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, "Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001):6.
74. Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences," Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series:NIJ Research in Brief, (March 1995): 6.
75. Elliott, p. 582.
76. Watkins, p. 319. Watkins mentions several studies confirming that between 19 percent and 61 percent of male sex abusers had previously been sexually abused themselves.

Family Research Council

 

[Seawytch]

THE FACTS

According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

The Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

Some anti-gay ideologues cite the American College of Pediatricians' opposition to same-sex parenting as if the organization were a legitimate professional body. In fact, the so-called college is a tiny breakaway faction of the similarly named, 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatrics that requires, as a condition of membership, that joiners "hold true to the group's core beliefs ... [including] that the traditional family unit, headed by an opposite-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children." The group's 2010 publication Facts About Youth was described by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association as non-factual. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, was one of several legitimate researchers who said Facts misrepresented their findings. "It is disturbing to me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality," he wrote. "The information they present is misleading and incorrect."

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

 

[Glensather]

I love it when people start throwing opposing facts at each other.

 

[g5000]

This is what gay marriage is all about. Adopting kids and molesting
them. And democrats support this.

A classic bigot's confirmation bias at work here.

 

[g5000]

Hey, let's start a topic about the fact negroes commit more crimes than Whites and how Democrats support this!

I'm sure someone around here can scratch up a few articles about negroes raping white women to make some hay out of.

 

[Seawytch]

I love it when people start throwing opposing facts at each other.

One side is factual... Then there is the Family Research Council.

 

[koshergrl]

Hey, let's start a topic about the fact negroes commit more crimes than Whites and how Democrats support this!

I'm sure someone around here can scratch up a few articles about negroes raping white women to make some hay out of.

" Since the 1980s, the debate has centered around the causes of and contributing factors to the disproportional representation of racial minorities (primarily African Americans, hence "Black crime") at all stages of the criminal justice system, including arrests, prosecutions and incarcerations.[2] Minority defendants are charged with and convicted of violent crimes requiring a mandatory minimum prison sentence far more often, which contributes to the large racial disparities in incarceration.[3]"

Race and crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[aaronleland]

I love it when people start throwing opposing facts at each other.

One side is factual... Then there is the Family Research Council.

The same group labeled as an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center? The same group headed by Tony Perkins?

Family Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The FRC supports the requirement of a one-year waiting period before a married couple with children can legally get a divorce so that they can receive marital counseling, unless the marriage involves domestic violence.

In February 2010, the Family Research Council's Senior Researcher for Policy Studies, Peter Sprigg, stated on NBC's Hardball that gay behavior should be outlawed and that "criminal sanctions against homosexual behavior" should be enforced. In May that same year, Sprigg publicly suggested that repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy would encourage molestation of heterosexual service members.

Tony Perkins (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1996, while managing the U.S. Senate campaign of Woody Jenkins against Mary Landrieu, Perkins paid $82,500 to use the mailing list of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. The campaign was fined $3,000 for filing false disclosure forms in a bid to hide the payment to Duke. Perkins has stated he did not know about the mailing list's connection to Duke.

On May 17, 2001, Perkins gave a speech to the Louisiana chapter of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a white supremacist group that has described black people as a “retrograde species of humanity.” Perkins claimed not to know the group’s ideology at the time, but it had been widely publicized in Louisiana and the nation, just two years earlier. The Duke incident surfaced again in the local press in 2002, when Perkins ran for the Republican nomination for the Senate.

In 2010, the Family Research Council—under Perkins' leadership—was classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center which characterized the group as "a fount of anti-gay propaganda".

They sound reputable enough to me.

 

[koshergrl]

So which of their sources do you disagree with?

 

[koshergrl]

This is a favorite tactic of progressive propagandists. They cannot (or won't) address the actual information..instead they cast vague and un-substantiated aspersions against the people who report the information.

FRC just reported on the information, and they cited what they used. So which of the citations do you find to be fallacious?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

THE FACTS

According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

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The APA always supports the perverts. Their credibility is zero. The priest scandal proved that pervert men are nearly all child molesters.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

This is what gay marriage is all about. Adopting kids and molesting
them. And democrats support this.

A classic bigot's confirmation bias at work here.

The board notes all you have is namecalling. Thanks for admitting i'm right.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Hey, let's start a topic about the fact negroes commit more crimes than Whites and how Democrats support this!

I'm sure someone around here can scratch up a few articles about negroes raping white women to make some hay out of.

Pat Buchanan has quoted the FBI as saying most years we have several thousand black on whites rapes and ZERO white on black rapes.

 

[bodecea]

Hey, let's start a topic about the fact negroes commit more crimes than Whites and how Democrats support this!

I'm sure someone around here can scratch up a few articles about negroes raping white women to make some hay out of.

Pat Buchanan has quoted the FBI as saying most years we have several thousand black on whites rapes and ZERO white on black rapes.

Link to those reports?

 

[g5000]

This is what gay marriage is all about. Adopting kids and molesting
them. And democrats support this.

A classic bigot's confirmation bias at work here.

The board notes all you have is namecalling. Thanks for admitting i'm right.

You are a long, long, long way from right. You have a heavy confirmation bias. That is not name calling. That is fact.

 

[Yurt]

thats it

homosexuality needs to be outlawed because of these two people

wait

that means we must also ban heterosexuality because of the countless molestation done by heterosexuals

wait

???

 

[Glensather]

Hey, let's start a topic about the fact negroes commit more crimes than Whites and how Democrats support this!

I'm sure someone around here can scratch up a few articles about negroes raping white women to make some hay out of.

Pat Buchanan has quoted the FBI as saying most years we have several thousand black on whites rapes and ZERO white on black rapes.

I've got a better statistic for you. Most people are raped by someone they know personally.

Find all of it here (Linking the whole website because it's spread out):
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)

 

[beagle9]

thats it

homosexuality needs to be outlawed because of these two people

wait

that means we must also ban heterosexuality because of the countless molestation done by heterosexuals

wait

???

Wait

Just so I get this straight (ummm) so what you and others are saying here is this basically, "that anything that is bad now or is perceived to be bad now", and just because we can go out and find, and then cite here other stuff that is equally bad or rather is just as bad also (thinking about this case in particular), then we can never say something in specific is bad anymore right ?

So this is how you and others think now ?

Otherwise just because we can always find other stuff that is bad also, then by what you and others are saying in summary here is, is that we can never begin the trip back away from any of this bad, and so what is it then, is this all because of this new way of thinking now ? So are we now just doomed completely in America when it comes to knowing right from wrong anymore, I mean is this what you and others are basically saying here ?

The Lines between what is good and what is evil or bad as to be once found within our lives and within our minds, and was also found within our ways of thinking, can hardly be seen or drawn out anymore, and these are the final days to still yet come I guess, and you know what ? It seems to be going just as the Bible says that it would go in these days and times. People need to get themselves right in these latter times, as the writing is definitely on the walls now. Just an observation, and then an opinion given. People must pray for the answers to this stuff, because man has no idea what the answers are anymore to these things.

 

[gslack]

Posts like the OP, when they come from either side are sad.. It shows in a nutshell why we have the problems we do in society and government.. Keep this up and we will get the governance we deserve..