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That's how many times people claim to have done that. There is no effort to verify it in any way. I suspect it is the result of a small number making multiple claims. Gun nuts like to pretend they are Rambo, and save the day on a regular basis.Wrong….guns save lives…..Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings…that number is from the Center for Disease Control……
So the fact that the UK has twice as many rapes doesn't count for you?Murder is the only crime that is comprable as there has to be a body. If we didnt count our poorest areas we wouldnt have any deaths either So stop pick and choosing to try and make your case. The stats dont lie. Guns make you less safe. Its not even a debate.
There are murders and there are deathsYour figures are wrong. Gun deaths are many times the figures you quote.
Bullshit.That's how many times people claim to have done that. There is no effort to verify it in any way. I suspect it is the result of a small number making multiple claims. Gun nuts like to pretend they are Rambo, and save the day on a regular basis.
You said it yourself. Ladders and staircases shot from guns.That is incorrect. I have proved no such thing.
How many times do you want him to do it before you acknowledge it?Feel free to cite a credible source that gun accident numbers are any higher than what I listed.
I'll take the US model, Alex.In Britain and the rest of Europe, their citizens have no Right to protect themselves from violent attack...and the best tool for self defense, guns....has been taken away from most of them, in particular the low income groups.
In the U.S. in most places Americans can opt to use guns for at a minimum home defense, and in a vast majority of the country over 19.4 million Americans can legally carry guns for self defense.
In Britain, in particular.....rapes, brutal beatings, brutal knifings (that result in death or life changing injuries), robberies and murder, essentially have to be endured......and almost any attempt at self defense can land the actual victim in jail and prison.
In the U.S.......Americans can use their legal guns...which they do 1.1 million times a year, to stop rapes, brutal beatings, knifings, robberies and murder.
In our country we had 10,235 gun murders.....of those murders over 70-80% of the victims were criminals murdered by other criminals...they were not normal citizens. Of the rest of the victims, the vast majority are the friends, family and associates of the criminals hit by mistake as the actual criminal was the target.
Guns, again, are used in the U.S. 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery, beatings, knifings and murder.........over 170,000 lives saved by some research..........not to include the crimes stopped that also saved lives....
In the U.K.......victims of crime are majority innocent people......who are preyed upon by the British criminals...
Which model do you prefer?
I agree. The vast majority of gun owners don't walk around brandishing their firearms, but they do want universal background checks, even for individual sellers. The vast amount of gun owners aren't gun nuts with a Rambo fetish.Bullshit.
The vast majority of gun owners are responsible citizens who would never commit any crime and don;t walk around brandishing their firearms
Ya' think?i dont think they are bothered by common sense arguments.
Yes, often lacking confidence in a certain appendage.They just like guns.
So I guess the fact that there are twice as many rapes per capita in the UK doesn;t count because women don't have bodies right?Thank you for that clarification but I'm afraid that the BS from that corner is unlimited and we'll have to endure it till the end of time.
I agree. The vast majority of gun owners don't walk around brandishing their firearms, but they do want universal background checks, even for individual sellers. The vast amount of gun owners aren't gun nuts with a Rambo fetish.
less than 1% of all murdersReally? Golly! So, all of those men, women and children who get blown to bits at kindergartens, primary schools, junior high schools, high schools, colleges, universities, post offices, churches, road rages and shopping malls are (sorry .... 'were') gang or drug cartel members?Hmmm, you learn something new every day!.
I said launched by ICBMs actually. ICBMs are not guns.You said it yourself. Ladders and staircases shot from guns.
He is welcome to provide as much evidence as he wants, but a journey starts with a step. Let's worry about the first time before we worry about the second.How many times do you want him to do it before you acknowledge it?
I realize that the gun control movement has no facts to support their position, but childish insults are still a poor substitute for factual arguments.Yes, often lacking confidence in a certain appendage.
You said ladders and staircases were just as dangerous as guns. I forced your bluff so you had to admit those are dangerous only if they are projected by a rocket which is the same as a gun.I said launched by ICBMs actually. ICBMs are not guns.
No. I said they were also dangerous. I have not looked up their exact level of danger to see how they compare with guns.You said ladders and staircases were just as dangerous as guns.
I don't bluff. I am just no good at it so I never even try. I'd be a poor poker player. But that's another thing that I don't even try.I forced your bluff
I have not had to admit any such thing. And I don't admit any such thing.so you had to admit those are dangerous only if they are projected by a rocket which is the same as a gun.
I don't debate serious subjects with chldren.No. I said they were also dangerous. I have not looked up their exact level of danger to see how they compare with guns.
I don't bluff. I am just no good at it so I never even try. I'd be a poor poker player. But that's another thing that I don't even try.
If I make a claim, I mean it in earnest. I may on rare occasions be mistaken, but I always believe my claims to be true when I make them.
I have not had to admit any such thing. And I don't admit any such thing.
Staircases and ladders are very much dangerous without being launched as a projectile. People can be killed if they fall down a flight of stairs or fall off a ladder.
Rockets are not the same thing as guns.
Like I said before, I realize that the gun control movement has no facts to support their position, but your insults are a poor substitute for factual arguments.I don't debate serious subjects with chldren.
That's how many times people claim to have done that. There is no effort to verify it in any way. I suspect it is the result of a small number making multiple claims. Gun nuts like to pretend they are Rambo, and save the day on a regular basis.
I agree. The vast majority of gun owners don't walk around brandishing their firearms, but they do want universal background checks, even for individual sellers. The vast amount of gun owners aren't gun nuts with a Rambo fetish.
An online, self included survey with no effort to verify claims is not a scientific study, dumb ass. If you aren't smart enough to know the difference, I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. There is no way to even imagine how much gun nuts exaggerate the use of their guns. Fantasies of saving the day by gun nuts on a self included survey are not the same as verified events.You mean besides the actual research? Over a period of decades?
A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)
2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.
CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
2021 national firearms survey..
The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
