Two Threats: School Vouchers & Homeschooling

[M.D. Rawlings]

To squeeze berry: It’s not impossible, but pubic school curriculums are controlled by Socialist teachers’ unions and the Department of Education; so non-Socialist teachers teach the crap irrespective of their personal beliefs. In addition, teachers are highly educated; so they know what they are doing.

Let’s not downplay the number of teachers who are Socialists. There must be a lot them based on all of the reported stories about teachers punishing children who unknowingly resist the party line. I’d say Socialists are in the majority because they do not organize against the Socialists/Communists running their unions.

And then there are colleges and universities that force young adults to take at least one class that teaches the joys of collectivism if they want to graduate, not to mention the well-known political beliefs of most professors in higher education.

Teaching Socialism has been a worldwide movement since the late 19th century. The movement gained tremendous momentum in the second half of the 20th century —— along with the drive to establish a global government. In fact, there is every reason to believe the NEA is the driving force behind global government. Sad to say, turning teachers into the most wonderful of human beings was all done with tax dollars, and a tax dollar funded entertainment industry.

Finally, Socialism is the only religion that has a grip on children from every home environment. Imagine the outcry if Catholics, or Muslims, or Buddhists, had the authority through taxation to force their religion on every child in the public schools.

What's the name of the course that teaches the joys of collectivism? Do you have any statistics as to the percentage of teachers who are socialists?

Flanders, I asked this question a few months ago and you never answered. Just more crap about socialism and you're still pushing your nonsense. The name of the course that teaches collectivism, course #, schools where taught including info on how this is course is forced on students please.

Anyone who would ask your question, as if there were any doubt about what's afoot in the pubic schools today, is not worth the time it would take to answer it. Take off the blinders.

 

[Howey]

Those who want to hammer away at teachers should go teach and change it then. So if you don't like teachers, then go and be one yourself. This is your chance. Give up a ton of earning potential and teach. I find those who love to bash teachers so hypocritical. They preach don't be envious of others. You have your chance to make your millions because in America anything is possible. So again here is YOUR chance. Step up. All this socialism rhetoric is mumbo jumbo. A talking point some people actually buy into. If you are really interested in changing the system, you had better change how parenting is conducted. If this doesn't change I don't care WHAT you do. It isn't going to change. The evacuation of the family structure is clearly evident and until this gets fixed forget about it.

Amen. When I see loaded threads like this there's the inevitable quote from religious institutions, for-profit organizations, libertarian groups, and flat-out conspiracy theorists about home schooling and it's benefits/lack of benefits.

Quite honestly, the truth about home schooling, and public education is somewhere in the middle of all the declarations.

Home schooling at it's best is educating children with highly educated and paid teachers, a wide range of proven educational materials and technologically superior teaching materials dedicated solely to the child's level of learning*.

Public schooling at it's best is educating children with highly educated and paid teachers, a wide range of proven educational materials and technologically superior teaching materials dedicated solely to the child's level of learning*.

Both, of course, require interaction and extracurricular activities with other students.

Both fail miserably when they fall victim to the agenda of others, be they governmental or religious.

In other words, take those two entities out of the equation, hire well-qualified, well-educated, well-paid and dedicated teachers or find willing parents with these attributes (barring the well-paid part, obviously) and our children will excel.

*It's no doubt the American school system is lacking when compared with other nations. The above is why.

My education was provided by the DoD in Europe; consequently one might say it's a type of socialized education. It's also one that works.

Read:

The Department of Defense Education Activity schools provide a comprehensive pre-kindergarten through 12th grade curriculum for children of service members and Department of Defense civilians competitive with any school system in the United States. This organization operates 194 schools in twelve foreign countries, seven states, Guam and Puerto Rico, serving over 86,000 students. Each DoDEA school is committed to helping military-connected children reach their full potential enriching their lives and the surrounding communities.

Successful student-centered programs

The teachers, administrators and staff are trained and experienced to recognize and address the needs of military-connected students and their challenges, including frequent moves, transitions and separations from parents. This system tailored to military-connected students proves successful since students in DoDEA schools consistently earn high scores in the National Assessment of Educational Progress and exceed the national average on standardized tests.

Service members place a high value on quality education and the opportunities it affords, including admissions to competitive colleges and universities and rewarding careers. Parents can rely on DoDEA to be a partner in providing their child with every opportunity to succeed and reap the rewards of a first-class education.

 

[Howey]

For more on the horrors of some home teaching, a good read:

Home-schooled and illiterate - Salon.com

Also, refer to the No Longer Quivering Blog for real-life stories.

 

[bripat9643]

"People become teachers mostly because they just don't have what it takes to make the big money. They just want a nice safe easy government job with a government pension and healthcare benefits."

Yes you are right my wife who taught 3rd grade for 34 years was only in it to have a cushy job with benefits. She didn't help her students at all. Let me go tell her this. Let me tell her she went into teaching because she wasn't smart enough to do anything else.

That's probably exactly why she went into teaching and why she married you: she just isn't that bright. If she didn't go into it for the pay, then tell her to shut up and quit whining about it.

 

[bripat9643]

For more on the horrors of some home teaching, a good read:

Home-schooled and illiterate - Salon.com

Also, refer to the No Longer Quivering Blog for real-life stories.

But you have no problem with government schools that crank out illiterates by the millions?

 

[Flanders]

Those who want to hammer away at teachers should go teach and change it then. So if you don't like teachers, then go and be one yourself. This is your chance. Give up a ton of earning potential and teach. I find those who love to bash teachers so hypocritical. They preach don't be envious of others. You have your chance to make your millions because in America anything is possible. So again here is YOUR chance. Step up. All this socialism rhetoric is mumbo jumbo. A talking point some people actually buy into. If you are really interested in changing the system, you had better change how parenting is conducted. If this doesn't change I don't care WHAT you do. It isn't going to change. The evacuation of the family structure is clearly evident and until this gets fixed forget about it.

To initforme: Get real. The only way to change the system is to shutdown the Department of Education, and prohibit teachers from joining unions. Conservatives have been trying to do the former for decades, and the latter is impossible without taking labor unions away from every government employee and return to the way it used to be.

Just for the record, individual teachers may or may not be hardcore Socialists/Communists, but they all take full advantage of every foul thing their Communist union leaders get for them beyond wages.

 

[jasonnfree]

Those who want to hammer away at teachers should go teach and change it then. So if you don't like teachers, then go and be one yourself. This is your chance. Give up a ton of earning potential and teach. I find those who love to bash teachers so hypocritical. They preach don't be envious of others. You have your chance to make your millions because in America anything is possible. So again here is YOUR chance. Step up. All this socialism rhetoric is mumbo jumbo. A talking point some people actually buy into. If you are really interested in changing the system, you had better change how parenting is conducted. If this doesn't change I don't care WHAT you do. It isn't going to change. The evacuation of the family structure is clearly evident and until this gets fixed forget about it.

To initforme: Get real. The only way to change the system is to shutdown the Department of Education, and prohibit teachers from joining unions. Conservatives have trying to do the former for decades, and the latter is impossible without taking labor unions away from every government employee and return to the way it used to be.

Just for the record, individual teachers may or may not be hardcore Socialists/Communists, but they all take full advantage of every foul thing their Communist union leaders get for them beyond wages.

Flanders: You said: "And then there are colleges and universities that force young adults to take at least one class that teaches the joys of collectivism if they want to graduate"
I asked you for any proof of what you said? Course description, course name, name of school. Anything but just throwing out these wild statements. It was post #4 in this thread.

 

[Howey]

For more on the horrors of some home teaching, a good read:

Home-schooled and illiterate - Salon.com

Also, refer to the No Longer Quivering Blog for real-life stories.

But you have no problem with government schools that crank out illiterates by the millions?

You must be one of the illiterate. I didn't say that, nor did I refer to it. Go back and read my post, and links, r e a l s l o w.


If you need someone to read it to you, climb up the basement stairs and ask your Mommy.

 

[jasonnfree]

Those who want to hammer away at teachers should go teach and change it then. So if you don't like teachers, then go and be one yourself. This is your chance. Give up a ton of earning potential and teach. I find those who love to bash teachers so hypocritical. They preach don't be envious of others. You have your chance to make your millions because in America anything is possible. So again here is YOUR chance. Step up. All this socialism rhetoric is mumbo jumbo. A talking point some people actually buy into. If you are really interested in changing the system, you had better change how parenting is conducted. If this doesn't change I don't care WHAT you do. It isn't going to change. The evacuation of the family structure is clearly evident and until this gets fixed forget about it.

Then you're really going to hate me, for I know from personal experience that a vast number of public school teachers are imbeciles whom I wouldn't trust to walk my dog, let alone educate my children.

I say we effectively abolish the public education system via the dynamics of universal school choice and put parents back in control entirely. That's the only effective remedy to both problems: the one you can't see and the one you think you understand. The fact of the matter is that the public education system is mostly hostile to the indispensable bedrock of our society, the biologically family, and is responsible above all other institutions in this country for actively working to undermine parental consent and authority, and thereby destabilize the indispensable bedrock of our society.

How ya like me now?

Tell us how you come to know about how vast numbers of public school teachers are imbeciles. Is there information available about this that you could post? Or are you pulling a Flanders, who can't back up what he says, either? I myself don't think you guys know too many teachers. Maybe none is probably closer to the truth.

 

[jasonnfree]

What's the name of the course that teaches the joys of collectivism? Do you have any statistics as to the percentage of teachers who are socialists?

Flanders, I asked this question a few months ago and you never answered. Just more crap about socialism and you're still pushing your nonsense. The name of the course that teaches collectivism, course #, schools where taught including info on how this is course is forced on students please.

Anyone who would ask your question, as if there were any doubt about what's afoot in the pubic schools today, is not worth the time it would take to answer it. Take off the blinders.

You don't take the time to answer because you can't. These are outlandish statements you guys are posting with no backup.

 

[jillian]

but what if you are a teacher and not a socialist?

or is that impossible?

To squeeze berry: It’s not impossible, but pubic school curriculums are controlled by Socialist teachers’ unions and the Department of Education; so non-Socialist teachers teach the crap irrespective of their personal beliefs. In addition, teachers are highly educated; so they know what they are doing.

Let’s not downplay the number of teachers who are Socialists. There must be a lot them based on all of the reported stories about teachers punishing children who unknowingly resist the party line. I’d say Socialists are in the majority because they do not organize against the Socialists/Communists running their unions.

And then there are colleges and universities that force young adults to take at least one class that teaches the joys of collectivism if they want to graduate, not to mention the well-known political beliefs of most professors in higher education.

Teaching Socialism has been a worldwide movement since the late 19th century. The movement gained tremendous momentum in the second half of the 20th century —— along with the drive to establish a global government. In fact, there is every reason to believe the NEA is the driving force behind global government. Sad to say, turning teachers into the most wonderful of human beings was all done with tax dollars, and a tax dollar funded entertainment industry.

Finally, Socialism is the only religion that has a grip on children from every home environment. Imagine the outcry if Catholics, or Muslims, or Buddhists, had the authority through taxation to force their religion on every child in the public schools.

not a word of truth or actual reality in the above.

 

[bripat9643]

For more on the horrors of some home teaching, a good read:

Home-schooled and illiterate - Salon.com

Also, refer to the No Longer Quivering Blog for real-life stories.

But you have no problem with government schools that crank out illiterates by the millions?

You must be one of the illiterate. I didn't say that, nor did I refer to it. Go back and read my post, and links, r e a l s l o w.


If you need someone to read it to you, climb up the basement stairs and ask your Mommy.

Why are you harping on home schoolers if you're actually concerned about the millions of illiterates that government schools pump out every year? Of all the different schooling types, home schoolers perform the best. Illiteracy among homeschoolers is not a big social problem.

 

[Howey]

But you have no problem with government schools that crank out illiterates by the millions?

You must be one of the illiterate. I didn't say that, nor did I refer to it. Go back and read my post, and links, r e a l s l o w.


If you need someone to read it to you, climb up the basement stairs and ask your Mommy.

Why are you harping on home schoolers if you're actually concerned about the millions of illiterates that government schools pump out every year? Of all the different schooling types, home schoolers perform the best. Illiteracy among homeschoolers is not a big social problem.

You still didn't read my links, did you?

 

[dblack]

But you have no problem with government schools that crank out illiterates by the millions?

You must be one of the illiterate. I didn't say that, nor did I refer to it. Go back and read my post, and links, r e a l s l o w.


If you need someone to read it to you, climb up the basement stairs and ask your Mommy.

Why are you harping on home schoolers if you're actually concerned about the millions of illiterates that government schools pump out every year? Of all the different schooling types, home schoolers perform the best. Illiteracy among homeschoolers is not a big social problem.

Because they're not as controlled by the state.

 

[Flanders]

but what if you are a teacher and not a socialist?

or is that impossible?

To squeeze berry: It’s not impossible, but pubic school curriculums are controlled by Socialist teachers’ unions and the Department of Education; so non-Socialist teachers teach the crap irrespective of their personal beliefs. In addition, teachers are highly educated; so they know what they are doing.

Let’s not downplay the number of teachers who are Socialists. There must be a lot them based on all of the reported stories about teachers punishing children who unknowingly resist the party line. I’d say Socialists are in the majority because they do not organize against the Socialists/Communists running their unions.

And then there are colleges and universities that force young adults to take at least one class that teaches the joys of collectivism if they want to graduate, not to mention the well-known political beliefs of most professors in higher education.

Teaching Socialism has been a worldwide movement since the late 19th century. The movement gained tremendous momentum in the second half of the 20th century —— along with the drive to establish a global government. In fact, there is every reason to believe the NEA is the driving force behind global government. Sad to say, turning teachers into the most wonderful of human beings was all done with tax dollars, and a tax dollar funded entertainment industry.

Finally, Socialism is the only religion that has a grip on children from every home environment. Imagine the outcry if Catholics, or Muslims, or Buddhists, had the authority through taxation to force their religion on every child in the public schools.

not a word of truth or actual reality in the above.

To jillian: Read the catalogues from most colleges and universities. In addition to classes specifically teaching Socialist ideology there are Socialist professors teaching other disciplines who inject Socialism into their classes. And let’s not forget “required reading”:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVP4--PJKa0&feature=player_embedded]Terrorist writing textbooks? Students SHOCKED when they find out about Bill Ayers! - YouTube[/ame]​

Marquette lists Ayers book “To Teach The Journey, In Comics” as required reading for the course EDUC 1210: Introduction to Schooling in a Diverse Society.

Marquette University Textbook On Race Written By Former Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers - Students Appalled
by Debra Heine 2 Dec 2013

Marquette University Textbook On Race Written By Former Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers - Students Appalled​

In every case where coercion is employed in any form a passing grade is needed to graduate.

If nothing else I’ve said in this thread makes a dent, the objection comes down to tax dollars subsidizing higher education. I, along with most Americans, do not want to pay for teaching an ideology we do not subscribe to. Stop giving tax dollars to colleges and universities. That means no student loan guarantees, no direct payments, NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. No tax dollars and they can teach anything they please.

Let me close with a reminder:

Common Core Roots Lie in Ties Between Barack Obama, Bill Ayers
by Dr. Susan Berry 5 Dec 2013

Common Core Roots Lie in Ties Between Barack Obama, Bill Ayers

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Texas House Makes It Clear: NO Common Core HERE!
Filed in Common Core State Standards, Education at State Level by Shane Vander Hart on May 7, 2013

Texas House Makes It Clear: NO Common Core HERE! | Truth in American Education

The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in education on any level. Common Core reaffirms it:

Many states cannot dream of fleeing Common Core because they won Race to the Top grant funds and if they were to withdraw from Common Core now, they’d have to return the money –a virtual impossibility for most states. Fortunately, Utah received no Race to the Top grant money directly, so if we dump Common Core, as we should, we’ll receive nothing but name-calling from Sec. Arne Duncan. Hooray!

Is Common Core a Socialist Program?

Is Common Core a Socialist Program? | COMMON CORE​

 

[Flanders]

Incidentally, if a major corporation in the petroleum industry provided the government with the number of bureaucrats and officials Harvard sends over the Left would have turned to violent revolution decades ago; yet the rest of us are expected to accept the wealthiest corporation in the education industry dominating the government, the law, and political thought in this country.

NOTE: It was Harvard thinking that replaced coma with “brain dead.” Kill someone in a coma and you run the risk of being charged with murder. Murder someone who is defined as brain dead and you get away with it.

Any move against Harvard’s revenues is good thinking:

House Republicans are plotting a $1.7 billion tax increase aimed at America’s most elite colleges and universities.

The tax increase is buried on page 879 of Congressman Dave Camp’s 979-page tax reform bill. The bill is considered unlikely to become law, but Mr. Camp is chairman of the powerful, tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, and his draft legislation is likely to provide a road map for tax reformers in years ahead.

Think of it as the education industry and you’ll see why it would be better if institutions of higher learning never got a tax dollar in the first place. They should all be taxed like every other business which is what they are.

If policy consistency were the only motive, after all, Republicans would be trying to reduce taxes rather than dreaming up new ones.

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I’d prefer the politicians in Washington spend their time figuring out taxes to repeal, rather than inventing new ones to impose.

Big Move Against Harvard
Being Plotted in Congress
By House Republicans
By IRA STOLL, Special to the Sun | March 10, 2014

Big Move Against Harvard Being Plotted in Congress By House Republicans - The New York Sun​

See this thread for the primary reason for Congressman Dave Camp’s 979-page tax reform bill:

Flatten The Flat-taxers - US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[initforme]

"To initforme: Get real. The only way to change the system is to shutdown the Department of Education, and prohibit teachers from joining unions. Conservatives have been trying to do the former for decades, and the latter is impossible without taking labor unions away from every government employee and return to the way it used to be.

Just for the record, individual teachers may or may not be hardcore Socialists/Communists, but they all take full advantage of every foul thing their Communist union leaders get for them beyond wages"

Yes lets get rid of decent wages for teachers. That will surely attract good ones. Then lets let corporations run education. They will surely do a good job. Perhaps they will move their operation overseas and let people who work for slave wages teach. Great idea.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

What's the name of the course that teaches the joys of collectivism? Do you have any statistics as to the percentage of teachers who are socialists?

How about required reading for the entire university? No, not collectivist or socialist, but certainly extreme leftist.

South Carolina House votes to cut funds for universities over gay-themed books | Fox News

 

[JakeStarkey]

Flanders is off the meds again.

Nurse, over there! Under the tinfoil.

 

[jasonnfree]

What's the name of the course that teaches the joys of collectivism? Do you have any statistics as to the percentage of teachers who are socialists?

How about required reading for the entire university? No, not collectivist or socialist, but certainly extreme leftist.

South Carolina House votes to cut funds for universities over gay-themed books | Fox News

Depends what you call extreme leftist. Ex navy or still serving? I did a hitch in the 60's.