Two Ways to Help Stop Mass Shootings

[Sunsettommy]

Both drugs and guns must be banned.

People who can not support themselves must be helped by Society.

Ha ha ha, Narcotic drugs are already illegal and constantly subject to seizure but they have long failed to stop it from flowing into America.

You never read the 2nd amendment?

 

[Man of Ethics]

You never read the 2nd amendment?

I know the Second Amendment -- I believe it is outdated and needs to be repealed.

 

[2aguy]

Table, p.6 says that gun self-defense is rare.

Perhaps there are studies claiming otherwise, but they seem to contradict Common Sense.

This research, including a study from the Centers for Disease Control, and then again in 2013, the CDC studied all gun research, and including a study from the Department of Justice......both during the Clinton, the rapists, administration looking to refute Gary Kleck's work...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[2aguy]

I know the Second Amendment -- I believe it is outdated and needs to be repealed.

And the Germans believed the same thing about their guns in the 1920s....by 1939 they were in the process of murdering 15 million people...

 

[2aguy]

Sad but true.

Yes....suicide is a mental health issue....

Meanwhile, left off that pie chart is the 1.1 million times a year Americans use their guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, and mass public shootings......civilians also use their legal guns to save the lives of police officers....

 

[M14 Shooter]

My argument is just fine.

Your arguments have been demontrated unsound.
Disagree?
Go back and meaninignfully address the posts you ran away from.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I know the Second Amendment -- I believe it is outdated and needs to be repealed.

Well, get to it.
Don't just sit there and whine about it -- get off your butt and do it.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Well, get to it.
Don't just sit there and whine about it -- get off your butt and do it.

I am not a person of influence. I can just feel sad for 572,000 people killed with guns in 1999-2016.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Yes....suicide is a mental health issue....

I also support helping all people in need. All people who have mental problems must be helped by Society.

 

[Vagabond63]

This research, including a study from the Centers for Disease Control, and then again in 2013, the CDC studied all gun research, and including a study from the Department of Justice......both during the Clinton, the rapists, administration looking to refute Gary Kleck's work...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
----
The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

...and he's off to the races again, regurgitating these BS opinion poll estimates, when in reality, no-one knows how many times these events occur, and for that matter how many of these alleged events the "defender" was actually acting illegally.

 

[Vagabond63]

Merry old England...

Oh good grief, you're quoting the "Daily Fail"! A source even Wikipedia won't allow as it's considered unreliable and prone to fake news. Even then the article is waay out of date and sensationalist. next?

 

[Vagabond63]

No, it can't.........those simply give you time to get to your gun.......

They are not rare in the U.K.....they happen more in the U.K. than the U.S.....our criminals know not to enter our homes when people are home....they can get shot...

In Britain, they enter at will, and torture the victims to get their belongings...

I guess this rich couple didn't have the magic doors and windows that keep criminals away...

In Merry old England....

Wealthy retired couple tortured by burglars who forced wife to walk on broken glass in £20,000 raid


wealthy couple were tortured by "Swat team" burglars who forced the wife to walk on broken glass before breaking one of her toes with a sledgehammer while stealing £20,000 of gold and jewels.

Professional burglars John McCarthy, 35, and Richard Leslie, 37, were branded "every householder's worst nightmare" after playing leading roles in the gang that terrorised the vulnerable pensioners for four hours during a night-time raid.

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During their ordeal, the couple, aged in their 70s, were bound with tape, beaten, threatened and locked in a utility room.

The burglars hit the 77-year-old man with a chair and forced his 75-year-old wife to walk barefoot on glass, having discarded her slippers.

One of the burglars threatened to cut off the wife's fingers and ear with a pair of shears if gold, cash and Rolex watches were not produced.

She also needed extensive dental treatment because of the beating to her face. Her husband was stuck with pins "many times" to extort more valuables, the court heard.

During the attack, one of the armed intruders boasted: "This is what we do for a living."

They made off with Chinese ornaments in 24 carat gold, jewellery, silver commemorative coins featuring Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, gold bars, a custom-made Seiko watch as well as thousands of pounds and Hong Kong dollars in cash.
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An Englishman's home is his dungeon

Various reassuring types, from police spokesmen to the Economist, described the stabbing of the Moncktons as a "burglary gone wrong". If only more burglaries could go right, they imply, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.


These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability.

Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up.

They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch.

"I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe


That led to a terrifying three-hour ordeal in which the attackers used waterboarding – a form of torture in which the victim is made to feel they are about to be drowned.


The men took underwear from Mrs Jansen’s bedroom and forced it into her mouth before dragging her into the en-suite bathroom. They pulled her head back over the bath and covered her face with a towel they kept flooded with water from the shower head.
‘They did this to me three times but I just couldn’t open the safe,’ she said. ‘I kept telling them it was empty but they didn’t believe me.’


Mrs Jansen, who lives on a private estate in Weybridge, Surrey, told the Mail: ‘I was absolutely terrified, I thought they were going to kill me.


‘They asked me if I had any grandchildren, I told them I had ten and they said “We are going to kill you, do you think your grandchildren will miss you?”


‘I was consumed by fear. It was sheer hell and all I can remember is praying.’
Her six-bedroomed house had been broken into several weeks before the attack last Friday and Surrey Police believe the raiders had located the two safes at that point.


Read more: Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe
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One incident in 2004 and one in 2016... Oooh be afraid, be very afraid...

 

[2aguy]

One incident in 2004 and one in 2016... Oooh be afraid, be very afraid...

You have to lie.......burglaries in Britain are dangerous and getting worse.......those are just the ones that made the news...........and your magic doors and windows didn't stop them....

 

[Blues Man]

I am not a person of influence. I can just feel sad for 572,000 people killed with guns in 1999-2016.

Most of those are suicides and suicide is a choice that every person has the absolute right to make

 

[Hollie]

I know the Second Amendment -- I believe it is outdated and needs to be repealed.

It seems a large percentage of the Democrat fascists want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Yeah, the party of slavery and Marxist socialism wants to disarm the population while keeping firearms available to themselves, of course.

Gee whiz. The 20th century has given us Stalin, Mao, Hitler etc., all of whom seem to be role models for democrats,

My relative sense of ethics tells me that allowing fascists to control my life is just a really bad idea.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I am not a person of influence.

Translation: You just want to complain.
That makes you as irrelevant as those complaints.

 

[maybelooking]

If educated thought were required to discuss this topic we could save everyone a lot of time and energy.

So many fucking clueless idiots chime in on something they have no knowledge of.

 

[Ralph Norton]

If educated thought were required to discuss this topic we could save everyone a lot of time and energy.

So many fucking clueless idiots chime in on something they have no knowledge of.

You're just noticing that now?

 

[Vagabond63]

You have to lie....

No, I leave the lies and disinformation to you, you are the expert here.

burglaries in Britain are dangerous and getting worse....

ROFL! From a high in 2002, when there were 890,099 recorded burglaries, the number has declined to 421,891 in 2019. I won't count the pandemic years as many people stayed at home, (including burglars it seems) but for reference there were 267,931. So you are talking BS as usual.

and your magic doors and windows didn't stop them....

Composite doors first entered the UK market in 1996 and as more houses were built with them and secure double glazed windows, the number of burglaries declined dramatically. Regarding your two instances, both lived in old houses, and probably relied on alarms, which the "professional" thieves probably disabled. I speculate, here, as I can't be bothered to read the Daily Fail, it too is full of BS.

 

[2aguy]

No, I leave the lies and disinformation to you, you are the expert here.

ROFL! From a high in 2002, when there were 890,099 recorded burglaries, the number has declined to 421,891 in 2019. I won't count the pandemic years as many people stayed at home, (including burglars it seems) but for reference there were 267,931. So you are talking BS as usual.

Composite doors first entered the UK market in 1996 and as more houses were built with them and secure double glazed windows, the number of burglaries declined dramatically. Regarding your two instances, both lived in old houses, and probably relied on alarms, which the "professional" thieves probably disabled. I speculate, here, as I can't be bothered to read the Daily Fail, it too is full of BS.

And they failed the two examples.......the people who were tortured in their own homes...

You really do believe in unicorns, pixie dust and magic doors....