Two Ways to Help Stop Mass Shootings

[Man of Ethics]

It seems a large percentage of the Democrat fascists want to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Yeah, the party of slavery and Marxist socialism wants to disarm the population while keeping firearms available to themselves, of course.

I disagree with Democrats on some issues.
I disagree with Republicans on some issues.

Democrats are right about guns and Welfare. I also have a Disability.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Most of those are suicides and suicide is a choice that every person has the absolute right to make

Suicide is a crime, which may carry longer punishment then murder.

 

[Vagabond63]

And they failed the two examples.......the people who were tortured in their own homes...

Oh, you have evidence they had composite doors and secure windows fitted to their homes then? Link please.

Interesting comparison of your mentality,

"but, but, there have only been 6 mass shootings in America this year... that's no reason to have gun control!!"

"Two horrific instances of aggrevated burglary in a decade... quick, everyone needs guns for self defence!"

 

[Vagabond63]

And the Germans believed the same thing about their guns in the 1920s....by 1939 they were in the process of murdering 15 million people...

Utter drivel.

 

[2aguy]

Oh, you have evidence they had composite doors and secure windows fitted to their homes then? Link please.

Interesting comparison of your mentality,

"but, but, there have only been 6 mass shootings in America this year... that's no reason to have gun control!!"

"Two horrific instances of aggrevated burglary in a decade... quick, everyone needs guns for self defence!"

Compared to 15 million murdered in 6 years by the governments that confiscated guns? What about that horror that happened over 6 years fails to inform your opinion on gun control and trusting governments?

And why is it that 6 criminals out of 330 million doesn’t show to you that your irrational opinions are stupid?

 

[2aguy]

Utter drivel.

It’s actual history..it happened…..in that time frame….and because it shows your gun control agenda is dumb….because of actual human history and actual human nature, you dismiss it…..

You are willing to give up your Rights now without understanding the long term consequences

 

[2aguy]

Oh, you have evidence they had composite doors and secure windows fitted to their homes then? Link please.

Interesting comparison of your mentality,

"but, but, there have only been 6 mass shootings in America this year... that's no reason to have gun control!!"

"Two horrific instances of aggrevated burglary in a decade... quick, everyone needs guns for self defence!"

No…two that made the story..they are not rare in Britain…..

 

[2aguy]

Oh, you have evidence they had composite doors and secure windows fitted to their homes then? Link please.

Interesting comparison of your mentality,

"but, but, there have only been 6 mass shootings in America this year... that's no reason to have gun control!!"

"Two horrific instances of aggrevated burglary in a decade... quick, everyone needs guns for self defence!"

The one story stated that 59% of burglaries turn violent……that isn’t two stories…

 

[2aguy]

Oh, you have evidence they had composite doors and secure windows fitted to their homes then? Link please.

Interesting comparison of your mentality,

"but, but, there have only been 6 mass shootings in America this year... that's no reason to have gun control!!"

"Two horrific instances of aggrevated burglary in a decade... quick, everyone needs guns for self defence!"

Moron...

Burglary victims attacked in their own home once every 30 minutes
A householder is attacked by a violent burglar every 30 minutes.

The shocking statistic exposes for the first time the epidemic of terrifying intruder confrontations taking place in Britain.

It will intensify demands for householders to be given greater protection if they use force to protect themselves and their family against a burglar.

In the wake of the case of Munir Hussain, who was jailed and later freed for beating a raider, ministers insisted it was extremely rare for a person to find themselves in trouble with the police for fighting back against a burglar.

But with householders suffering violence on 23,000 occasions last year, campaigners say the case for a change to the law is growing ever stronger.

The Tories, who compiled the figures, have given a manifesto commitment to review the law, which currently allows a householder to respond with 'reasonable force'.

Under one option being considered, a burglary victim who took on an intruder could only be prosecuted if they used 'grossly disproportionate force'.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'These figures are an alarming indication of the culture of violence that has built up in our society.

'It just goes to show how important it is that we change the law to give proper protection to householders who defend themselves and their families against a violent intruder in their homes.

'The Government promised to change the law, but then didn't. We will.'

The figures emerged in an analysis of official crime statistics. Last year, the number of domestic burglaries recorded by police in England and Wales rose for the first time in six years, from 280,694 in 2007-08 to 284,427.

The British Crime Survey provides more information on the nature of burglaries than those recorded in police crime figures.

According to the BCS, householders came face-to-face with burglars in 20 per cent of domestic burglaries last year. That translates one every ten minutes. In other cases, either no one was at home or the victim was at home but unaware they were being burgled and did not see the offender.

Of the burglaries in which the victim came face-to-face with the intruder, violence was either used or threatened in 59 per cent of crimes.

 

[Blues Man]

Suicide is a crime, which may carry longer punishment then murder.

No it isn't.

Suicide

www.law.cornell.edu

Suicide is no longer considered a crime in the United States

 

[Vagabond63]

The one story stated that 59% of burglaries turn violent……that isn’t two stories…

No surprise there, if I caught a burglar in my home, I'd turn violent! Turning violent doesn't necesarily mean the burglars turn violent, the householder can turn violent too you know.

 

[2aguy]

No surprise there, if I caught a burglar in my home, I'd turn violent! Turning violent doesn't necesarily mean the burglars turn violent, the householder can turn violent too you know.

Yeah...no....but good try.......

 

[Vagabond63]

No…two that made the story..they are not rare in Britain…..

Yes that type of attack is.

 

[2aguy]

Yes that type of attack is.

The 59% number....which is more than half......shows that violence in burglaries is not rare.......basic math......59% is more than 50%.....which means it is more than half.......

 

[Vagabond63]

Moron...

Burglary victims attacked in their own home once every 30 minutes
A householder is attacked by a violent burglar every 30 minutes.

The shocking statistic exposes for the first time the epidemic of terrifying intruder confrontations taking place in Britain.

It will intensify demands for householders to be given greater protection if they use force to protect themselves and their family against a burglar.

In the wake of the case of Munir Hussain, who was jailed and later freed for beating a raider, ministers insisted it was extremely rare for a person to find themselves in trouble with the police for fighting back against a burglar.

But with householders suffering violence on 23,000 occasions last year, campaigners say the case for a change to the law is growing ever stronger.

The Tories, who compiled the figures, have given a manifesto commitment to review the law, which currently allows a householder to respond with 'reasonable force'.

Under one option being considered, a burglary victim who took on an intruder could only be prosecuted if they used 'grossly disproportionate force'.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'These figures are an alarming indication of the culture of violence that has built up in our society.

'It just goes to show how important it is that we change the law to give proper protection to householders who defend themselves and their families against a violent intruder in their homes.

'The Government promised to change the law, but then didn't. We will.'

The figures emerged in an analysis of official crime statistics. Last year, the number of domestic burglaries recorded by police in England and Wales rose for the first time in six years, from 280,694 in 2007-08 to 284,427.

The British Crime Survey provides more information on the nature of burglaries than those recorded in police crime figures.

According to the BCS, householders came face-to-face with burglars in 20 per cent of domestic burglaries last year. That translates one every ten minutes. In other cases, either no one was at home or the victim was at home but unaware they were being burgled and did not see the offender.

Of the burglaries in which the victim came face-to-face with the intruder, violence was either used or threatened in 59 per cent of crimes.

Quoting the daily fail again, oh please! The violence can be threatened on both sides.

 

[2aguy]

Quoting the daily fail again, oh please! The violence can be threatened on both sides.

Nope....when you enter someone's home illegally, you are the only one responsible for any and all violence that occurs...

But the fact is...the violence is by the burglars, which they initiate to intimidate and control the victims....

but thanks for showing us how you are willing to soft pedal the actions of violent criminals by blaming the victims...

 

[Vagabond63]

shows that violence in burglaries is not rare.

Oh good grief! Assuming the Daily fail is actualy quoting accurate data for a change, and not just making things up to sensationalise the story, that's still 59% of cases where the householder is present. Most burglaries in the UK happen when the house is empty.

 

[Vagabond63]

Nope....when you enter someone's home illegally, you are the only one responsible for any and all violence that occurs...

But the fact is...the violence is by the burglars, which they initiate to intimidate and control the victims....

but thanks for showing us how you are willing to soft pedal the actions of violent criminals by blaming the victims...

Utter drivel from you, as usual.

 

[Vagabond63]

Nope....when you enter someone's home illegally, you are the only one responsible for any and all violence that occurs...

But the fact is...the violence is by the burglars, which they initiate to intimidate and control the victims....

but thanks for showing us how you are willing to soft pedal the actions of violent criminals by blaming the victims...

Here's just one example, from a right wing newspaper. Piers Morgan hails 'hero' homeowner who fought off four armed raiders to protect wife upstairs as he says 'he would have taken on 100'

 

[2aguy]

Oh good grief! Assuming the Daily fail is actualy quoting accurate data for a change, and not just making things up to sensationalise the story, that's still 59% of cases where the householder is present. Most burglaries in the UK happen when the house is empty.

More burglaries in the U.K. happen when the victims are at home than they do in the U.S....

An Englishman's home is his dungeon

But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term.


Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present.

But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.

These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability. Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.