UN human rights chief: Trump would be 'dangerous' if elected

[longknife]

If I wasn't already for Trump, this would sure make up my mind. If UN types are worried about him, it means his foreign policy is pointed where I want it. Story @ UN human rights chief: Trump would be 'dangerous' if elected | My Connection from Cox

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

Attached is a list of the current member states.

Current Membership of the HRC

Includes such gems as Saudi Arabia, where women are 3rd class citizens, Venezuela, where the government is trying to suppress a recall election and local elections, China, the largest of the last, grasping, Proto-Commie States on the planet, and Russia, where they want a republic, but it has to have a good Czar leading it.

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

The OP was about not supporting Trump. They pointed to valid concerns involving the Geneva Convention. I don't see that as being overbearing.
I do agree with you that, as much as other countries like to get their digs in, people look up to us as an example of how to do it right.

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

The OP was about not supporting Trump. They pointed to valid concerns involving the Geneva Convention. I don't see that as being overbearing.
I do agree with you that, as much as other countries like to get their digs in, people look up to us as an example of how to do it right.

My issue is still that they don't have a leg to stand on when they include States that are obvious violators of Human Rights issues, domestic or international.

And the Geneva conventions were never meant to allow certain groups to hide behind them while rules are not followed. The Idea of the conventions is that BOTH sides of a conflict follow the rules. When one side doesn't, the other isn't obligated either.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

He's married to a former model, I think he prefers the female form as uncovered as possible.

And for all his talk, he's not the one being accused of actual sexual misconduct, he just talks like a blowhard about it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

Sounds like american women will be covering something other than their heads and faces.

 

[martybegan]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

Sounds like american women will be covering something other than their heads and faces.

Like making sure Billy Boy doesn't bring a Cigar to a NOW event, right?

 

[Fenton Lum]

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

Sounds like american women will be covering something other than their heads and faces.

Like making sure Billy Boy doesn't bring a Cigar to a NOW event, right?

Sure, all of it, better keep your eyes peeled pard.

 

[Granny]

The UN is a prime example of why this utopian New World Order won't work - all these countries are looking out for their own interests and seldom fully agree on anything unless it's anti-American policy. If the US would pull out AND take our US finances with us when we leave, tell the UN to put it's headquarters in another country, the damned thing would collapse.

 

[martybegan]

If only we didn't provide them the ammunition.

Yes, because occasional issues with aggressive policing is far far worse than actually mandated aggressive policing, and other naughty behavior like jailing political dissidents, delaying elections, and forcing women to stay in their homes, or cover up, OR ELSE.

Now that Trump is out of his shackles, perhaps women HAD better stay in their homes or cover up.

Sounds like american women will be covering something other than their heads and faces.

Like making sure Billy Boy doesn't bring a Cigar to a NOW event, right?

Sure, all of it, better keep your eyes peeled pard.

Nice dodge there, bitch tits.

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

The OP was about not supporting Trump. They pointed to valid concerns involving the Geneva Convention. I don't see that as being overbearing.
I do agree with you that, as much as other countries like to get their digs in, people look up to us as an example of how to do it right.

My issue is still that they don't have a leg to stand on when they include States that are obvious violators of Human Rights issues, domestic or international.

And the Geneva conventions were never meant to allow certain groups to hide behind them while rules are not followed. The Idea of the conventions is that BOTH sides of a conflict follow the rules. When one side doesn't, the other isn't obligated either.

I guess on this one I'm too pessimistic to think that there would even BE a UN if the countries had to agree beforehand. I'm certainly no flag waver for governments that crush human rights, but in some of these countries it is as much cultural as it is legal mores that fuel their "unfairness." If we stop talking, things will only get worse, I think.

 

[martybegan]

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

The OP was about not supporting Trump. They pointed to valid concerns involving the Geneva Convention. I don't see that as being overbearing.
I do agree with you that, as much as other countries like to get their digs in, people look up to us as an example of how to do it right.

My issue is still that they don't have a leg to stand on when they include States that are obvious violators of Human Rights issues, domestic or international.

And the Geneva conventions were never meant to allow certain groups to hide behind them while rules are not followed. The Idea of the conventions is that BOTH sides of a conflict follow the rules. When one side doesn't, the other isn't obligated either.

I guess on this one I'm too pessimistic to think that there would even BE a UN if the countries had to agree beforehand. I'm certainly no flag waver for governments that crush human rights, but in some of these countries it is as much cultural as it is legal mores that fuel their "unfairness." If we stop talking, things will only get worse, I think.

The UN is a laudable goal, but it has become an exercise in cronyism and undeserved back-patting.

 

[OldLady]

Why don't you like the UN? Too many foreigners for you?
That was snarky, sorry. So why don't you like the UN?

The Human Rights Commission of the UN is a joke. Countries that are some of the worst abusers can get onto the committee, basically making it a "hey look at the US doing X" distraction board.

Yes, I can see that. A lot of things get said there that we don't like, no doubt. We say a lot of things other countries don't like, too. It doesn't seem that the UN has a hell of a lot of sway, one way or the other, but to me it is an awesome idea to have somewhere that all the prickly, pissed off countries in the world go and actually sit down and talk about stuff. May not always be what we want to hear, but they're actually talking. Without it, I think it would leave a big hole in the planet's hope.

The problem is the Rights commission is basically used as a propaganda conduit for countries that actually systematically abuse human rights on a day in, day out basis.

One can think that there is a Policing issue in the US, but in other countries the issues with overbearing Policing is not a a bug like here, it's a feature.

The OP was about not supporting Trump. They pointed to valid concerns involving the Geneva Convention. I don't see that as being overbearing.
I do agree with you that, as much as other countries like to get their digs in, people look up to us as an example of how to do it right.

My issue is still that they don't have a leg to stand on when they include States that are obvious violators of Human Rights issues, domestic or international.

And the Geneva conventions were never meant to allow certain groups to hide behind them while rules are not followed. The Idea of the conventions is that BOTH sides of a conflict follow the rules. When one side doesn't, the other isn't obligated either.

Marty, when one side doesn't follow the rules, they get lectured; the UN doesn't have real teeth, but it's a start. . It is not our place, as much as we may want to, tell other countries what their culture must be. 100 years ago we didn't allow women to vote and very few women were considered fit to drive, it was still perfectly

acceptable for a husband to beat the shit out of his spouse and a woman's swim suit still included stockings.

I somehow doubt if we would have appreciated Sweden or China coming in and telling us to get with the program. Sometimes being exposed to new ideas through diplomacy or the cocktail hour afterward does more good than finger wagging and criticism.

Sinking to the level of a member nation that is not following the rules does NOT actually solve the problem.