"Unalienable rights" Our rights Come From G-d Not Government

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The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government. What the government gives they can take away


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

The Declaration of Independence
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government.

I do not know and cannot speak for Liberals or Conservatives, either but I certainly DO NOT believe that we have rights thanks to GOD.

If that were true the Bill of Rights would be absolutely unnecessary.

If you are believer, you might believe that GOD wants you to have human rights, but GOD isn't really working all that hard to make sure you have them, is he?

Meanwhile our government is (sort of and not very well)
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government.

I do not know and cannot speak for Liberals or Conservatives, either but I certainly DO NOT believe that we have rights thanks to GOD.

If that were true the Bill of Rights would be absolutely unnecessary.

If you are believer, you might believe that GOD wants you to have human rights, but GOD isn't really working all that hard to make sure you have them, is he?

Meanwhile our government is (sort of and not very well)

I bet you wake up every morning praying to Big Brother, thanking him for looking over your well-being.

Do you believe in individual liberties?

Apparently not. So sad.:cool:
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXOEkj6Jz44]Positive Rights vs. Negative Rights - YouTube[/ame]
 
This is from Richard II, by Shakespeare...

King Richard is speaking to the people who are in rebellion against him:

KING RICHARD II

"We are amazed; and thus long have we stood
To watch the fearful bending of thy knee,

Because we thought ourself thy lawful king:

And if we be, how dare thy joints forget
To pay their awful duty to our presence?

If we be not, show us the hand of God
That hath dismissed us from our stewardship
..."

Richard is citing the belief in divine right, i.e., that the King had absolute power, given to him by God,

and Richard is saying if you're claiming otherwise,

show me where God said otherwise.

It's an excellent argument; unfortunately it didn't save him.

So...

I'll make the same sort of argument. If your claim is that God gave the People certain rights,

show us where, when, and how God did that.
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government.

I do not know and cannot speak for Liberals or Conservatives, either but I certainly DO NOT believe that we have rights thanks to GOD.

If that were true the Bill of Rights would be absolutely unnecessary.

If you are believer, you might believe that GOD wants you to have human rights, but GOD isn't really working all that hard to make sure you have them, is he?

Meanwhile our government is (sort of and not very well)

I bet you wake up every morning praying to Big Brother, thanking him for looking over your well-being.

Do you believe in individual liberties?

Apparently not. So sad.:cool:

When you seek remediation for what you believe has been a violation of your rights, do you go to Court,

or do you go to Church?
 
This is from Richard II, by Shakespeare...

King Richard is speaking to the people who are in rebellion against him:

KING RICHARD II

"We are amazed; and thus long have we stood
To watch the fearful bending of thy knee,

Because we thought ourself thy lawful king:

And if we be, how dare thy joints forget
To pay their awful duty to our presence?

If we be not, show us the hand of God
That hath dismissed us from our stewardship
..."

Richard is citing the belief in divine right, i.e., that the King had absolute power, given to him by God,

and Richard is saying if you're claiming otherwise,

show me where God said otherwise.

It's an excellent argument; unfortunately it didn't save him.

So...

I'll make the same sort of argument. If your claim is that God gave the People certain rights,

show us where, when, and how God did that.

If you'd read about the founding of the best, most free Country in the History of the Earth, you'd know that while some people claim these rights came from God, our Founders referred to them as "Natural Rights". And they stemmed from the theory of "Natural Law"

Rights that can not be taken by the hand of Man. Rights that are granted to us by the very fact that we are "Men" (and women).

We called them Natural Rights.

Here's a primer for you that I learned in the 8th Grade....

Natural and legal rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

John Locke: Natural Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education

Theory of Inalienable Rights
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government. What the government gives they can take away


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

The Declaration of Independence

So just so I'm clear on this....it's God that wants every man armed with guns?
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government. What the government gives they can take away


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

The Declaration of Independence

So just so I'm clear on this....it's God that wants every man armed with guns?

To protect themselves from a Progressive government, yes, correct
 
Did God give women the right to drive cars in Saudi Arabia? How about the right to pray at the Wall in Jerusalem? If God didn't want girls raped by their fathers to bear a brother-son, why didn't He make conception voluntary? What has the Big Guy got against eating pork anyway? Pope Frankie, factory authorized representative, says God didn't give Mitt Romney the right to a Cayman Islands bank account. All very confusing
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government.

I do not know and cannot speak for Liberals or Conservatives, either but I certainly DO NOT believe that we have rights thanks to GOD.

If that were true the Bill of Rights would be absolutely unnecessary.

If you are believer, you might believe that GOD wants you to have human rights, but GOD isn't really working all that hard to make sure you have them, is he?

Meanwhile our government is (sort of and not very well)

You're just another liberal turd who doesn't know what a right is. Here's a hint: It's not a guarantee that something won't happen to you.
 
I do not know and cannot speak for Liberals or Conservatives, either but I certainly DO NOT believe that we have rights thanks to GOD.

If that were true the Bill of Rights would be absolutely unnecessary.

If you are believer, you might believe that GOD wants you to have human rights, but GOD isn't really working all that hard to make sure you have them, is he?

Meanwhile our government is (sort of and not very well)

I bet you wake up every morning praying to Big Brother, thanking him for looking over your well-being.

Do you believe in individual liberties?

Apparently not. So sad.:cool:

When you seek remediation for what you believe has been a violation of your rights, do you go to Court,

or do you go to Church?

According to turds like you, true rights can't be violated.
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government. What the government gives they can take away


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

The Declaration of Independence

Inalienable rights from God? OK. Then where were those rights at Auschwitze? Our rights as citizens are the result of what we as citizens agree that they should be. The is no diety assuring those rights. Otherwise we would have had them throughout history. We did not, and only had them when wise and courageous men decided that society would function much better for all people were we to have them. That is what the American Revolution was all about. Depending on ourselves rather than some postulated diety in the sky.
 
I bet you wake up every morning praying to Big Brother, thanking him for looking over your well-being.

Do you believe in individual liberties?

Apparently not. So sad.:cool:

When you seek remediation for what you believe has been a violation of your rights, do you go to Court,

or do you go to Church?

According to turds like you, true rights can't be violated.

Well, if dipshits like you were to actually read history, you would know that rights are a human construct.
 
The difference between liberals and conservatives....Liberals believe our rights are granted us by the Government. What the government gives they can take away


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States

The Declaration of Independence

Inalienable rights from God? OK. Then where were those rights at Auschwitze? Our rights as citizens are the result of what we as citizens agree that they should be. The is no diety assuring those rights. Otherwise we would have had them throughout history. We did not, and only had them when wise and courageous men decided that society would function much better for all people were we to have them. That is what the American Revolution was all about. Depending on ourselves rather than some postulated diety in the sky.
Auschwitz was an example of a G-d less society man deciding other men needed to be eliminated for the "good" of a perfect fascist, socialist society. Men did that not G-d
 
When you seek remediation for what you believe has been a violation of your rights, do you go to Court,

or do you go to Church?

According to turds like you, true rights can't be violated.

Well, if dipshits like you were to actually read history, you would know that rights are a human construct.

the principle of unalienable rights are not rights granted to you from other people...you're an idiot:cuckoo:
 
The funny thing about this whole thread is that a true understanding of rights is often lost on many people. There are several types of rights. Some ARE granted and/or revoked by the government. Some are due to a person inherently. Perhaps the only thing that can be said of all rights is that they must always be fought for, in one way or another. Otherwise, they cease to exist.
 

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