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Can we assume you are saying regression is not possible? If so, why?That was then, this is now. Unions have outlived their usefulness. Today they just represent another deduction on your paycheck. Just ask what have they done for you recently
To answer your question, my union has done a great deal for me -- even now although I've been retired since 1985. My union was responsible for my salary level. It is responsible for my pension level and benefits. More recently it enrolled me (free of charge) in a dental plan that pays 2/3 of any treatment cost, which can be considerable at my age.
If you presently earn a good wage, even if you are not a union member you can thank the union movement for elevating the wage levels of the entire American working class. Rest assured that in spite of the recent decline in union presence and activity your employer knows what unions are and he wants no part of them, so he doesn't give you a reason to develop interest in becoming a union shop.
Again, unions are far from perfect. While some of them are as wonderful today as they were in the 40s, some of them are completely corrupt and/or incompetent. But please keep in mind that unions are democracies, their leadership is elected and their policies are voted on. And the reason some unions go bad is the same reason our Nation is going bad -- the indolent, apathetic, ignorant voting public (membership).
unions hurt workers by driving 30 million jobs and our manufacturing base off-shore. Common sense would force us to make them illegal again!!
McDonalds is not unionized, has had record profits since the beginning of the Bush Recession, and still won't pay a decent wage.
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The following movies are educational, entertaining -- and important.
Harlan County USA
Norma Rae
The Molly McGuires
On The Waterfront
Metewan
Hoffa
I would add another: the little seen but excellent Charles Bronson movie "Act of Vengeance", in which he plays Joseph 'Jock' Yablonski, head of the United Mine Workers.
I know there has been some recent organizing activity by fast-food service workers but I don't think it has been strong enough -- yet. The union movement of the 30s and 40s succeeded at the cost of much blood, sweat, and tears. McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, et al, represent a substantial adversary which will not be easy to defeat.McDonalds is not unionized, has had record profits since the beginning of the Bush Recession, and still won't pay a decent wage.
McDonald's recently added 64,000 people to its payroll in the United States, but job prospects in Europe for those so inclined to work in the fast food industry are looking pretty grim right about now. That's because the fast food giant is poised to add touchscreen kiosks in more than 7,000 of its restaurants in Europe in effort to replace actual, human cashiers.
McDonalds is not unionized, has had record profits since the beginning of the Bush Recession, and still won't pay a decent wage.
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McDonald's is paying a massive wage for what those people do. I've worked there. Flipping a burger over is not a $50,000 a year income job. It requires no skill, no ability, no talent. Why you people think that merely existing, and sucking air, make you 'deserve' a middle class income, is beyond me... but you are wrong.
So, according to you, only union jobs were outsourced.
So, according to you, only union jobs were outsourced.
Dear, I didn't say only union jobs were outsourced. I said liberal unions outsourced 30 million jobs and much or our manufacturing base and that unions should be made illegal again.
Common sense will tell you that if BWM can make their cars here paying workers $15 and hour or in Germany paying workers $67 an hour their biggest production facility will be here.
Simple but still over a liberals head- right?
Yeah, unions did a lousy job of building the slum called Manhattan.too stupid of course!! lower wages and lower prices don't hurt at all but do give 30 million a chance to get their jobs back!!
Their low paying, crappy jobs back.
dear, unions jobs were far far better than the low paid service jobs they have now, if they have jobs at all
what?? Unions shipped 30 million jobs offshore and destroyed our middle class so should be made illegal and declared treasonous!!
it automatic under capitalism of course. Unless you offer the best products and jobs possible you go bankrupt! A childs would know this, just not a liberal.How else can workers close the gap between wages and productivity gains? .
So, according to you, only union jobs were outsourced.
Dear, I didn't say only union jobs were outsourced. I said liberal unions outsourced 30 million jobs and much or our manufacturing base and that unions should be made illegal again.
Common sense will tell you that if BWM can make their cars here paying workers $15 and hour or in Germany paying workers $67 an hour their biggest production facility will be here.
Simple but still over a liberals head- right?
This makes even less sense. A liberal union outsourced 30 million jobs? Any links?
So, according to you, only union jobs were outsourced.
Dear, I didn't say only union jobs were outsourced. I said liberal unions outsourced 30 million jobs and much or our manufacturing base and that unions should be made illegal again.
Common sense will tell you that if BWM can make their cars here paying workers $15 and hour or in Germany paying workers $67 an hour their biggest production facility will be here.
Simple but still over a liberals head- right?
This makes even less sense. A liberal union outsourced 30 million jobs? Any links?
The following movies are educational, entertaining -- and important.
Harlan County USA
Norma Rae
The Molly McGuires
On The Waterfront
Metewan
Hoffa
I would add another: the little seen but excellent Charles Bronson movie "Act of Vengeance", in which he plays Joseph 'Jock' Yablonski, head of the United Mine Workers.
This is how I know our country is doomed. We have an entire political party, that is actually taken seriously, whose ideological basis is dramatized movies. I've caught so many of these films in fabrications, it's ridiculous. But I wager neither have you, have even considered looking at these films with a critical eye? Have you fact checked anything in any of them? Educational.... amazing. We're not such a dumb society, that anything on film, is considered divinely inspired. No wonder our economy is screwed up. If Obama simply published a film instead of press conferences, he'd convince half the country of anything he wanted. No wonder "Yes we can" was enough to fool the country.
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and then you ask why people are outsourcing? Dude... look in the mirror! There's the reason right there.
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You confusing actions, and results. No Union openly tries to eliminate itself. Of course.
But by the fact they make themselves uncompetitive, they kill their own jobs.
Again, GM and Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Honda and Toyota did not. Which were unionized?
The only reason Ford didn't go bankruptcy, is because Ford, pushed for and got, concession from the Unions, back in 2006. You can go read about it.
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You confusing actions, and results. No Union openly tries to eliminate itself. Of course.
But by the fact they make themselves uncompetitive, they kill their own jobs.
Again, GM and Chrysler declared bankruptcy. Honda and Toyota did not. Which were unionized?
The only reason Ford didn't go bankruptcy, is because Ford, pushed for and got, concession from the Unions, back in 2006. You can go read about it.
The status of American labor unions is not a black or white issue. As I've previously mentioned, unions are not perfect. Some are moderately defective others have become as corrupted as the U.S. Government obviously is. And in both examples the causes of the defects and the corruption are the same -- failed democracy.
Unions are democratic organizations. Their membership votes and their leaders are elected. The reason we end up with Presidents like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama is a lazy, careless, ignorant electorate, which is why unions like the UAW go bad.
While your hostile position clearly is to toss the baby out with the bath-water, I submit it is critically important for the future of the American Middle Class to become educated about the union movement and for them to either support or to actively participate in it.
So, according to you, only union jobs were outsourced.
Dear, I didn't say only union jobs were outsourced. I said liberal unions outsourced 30 million jobs and much or our manufacturing base and that unions should be made illegal again.
Common sense will tell you that if BWM can make their cars here paying workers $15 and hour or in Germany paying workers $67 an hour their biggest production facility will be here.
Simple but still over a liberals head- right?
This makes even less sense. A liberal union outsourced 30 million jobs? Any links?
dear why do you think BMW just built its largest plant in the world in South Carolina rather than Detroit?
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get rid of the ridiculous union protection rules that add to inefficiencies, such as only certain people can do this task, or you need three trucks to accomplish what one truck could.
You have obviously never worked in IT in a private corporation.
This is EXACTLY how corporate America has dumbed down and exhibited their opinion of the worker bee.
I used to work in 10 people shops where each person did everything, projects were completed in under 6 months and team members were paid well.
Today, projects consists of dozens, if not over 100 people, each of whom has their "specialty" and gets crumbs.
It's a joke.
the beauty of capitalism is that you must offer the best jobs and best products just to survive!!
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The problem with the union issue is that it has become politicized. And when that happens, everything becomes dumbed down, simplified and binary. And when that happens, virtually nothing of substance can be accomplished.
Change the scope and approach of unions and you'll save them. Keep the collective bargaining for working wages and the ability to maintain and improve workplace safety. Jettison the long-term pension plans that massively increase costs for business and move to 401Ks; get rid of the ridiculous union protection rules that add to inefficiencies, such as only certain people can do this task, or you need three trucks to accomplish what one truck could.
But no, both sides would have to give in with this approach, and we can't have that. Instead, both "sides" continue to play politics as unions crumble and the middle class vanishes. Either unions remain exactly as they are or they disappear. Absurd.
The decay continues. A pox on both houses. Partisans need to find a new fucking hobby so the rest of us can try to improve things.
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dear, you don't really make less when your pay is less and prices are less too. Econ 101.
Less is less. Common sense 101.
too stupid of course!! lower wages and lower prices don't hurt at all but do give 30 million a chance to get their jobs back!!
