Universal Background Checks do nothing to stop criminals from getting guns....

[2aguy]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

 

[White 6]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

 

[White 6]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

BS. They have drugs for paranoia now, you know? Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group. Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons. Perhaps your idea of effective gun control for that problem is Charles Bronson.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

BS. They have drugs for paranoia now, you know? Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group. Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons. Perhaps your idea of effective gun control for that problem is Charles Bronson.
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You don't know what you are talking about. You make it up. Actual criminals, the ones doing all of the killing in democrat party controlled cities ignore all background checks......

The only reason the anti-gunners push them and dupes like you support them is to get gun registration.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

 

[2aguy]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

Well, I believe you can have background checks without gun registration. They're completely separate issues...

 

[White 6]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

BS. They have drugs for paranoia now, you know? Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group. Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons. Perhaps your idea of effective gun control for that problem is Charles Bronson.
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You don't know what you are talking about. You make it up. Actual criminals, the ones doing all of the killing in democrat party controlled cities ignore all background checks......

The only reason the anti-gunners push them and dupes like you support them is to get gun registration.

Which part of what I said, when I stated " Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons.", did you not understand? My brother-in-law found a real fairly new, smith & sesson 9mm pitched out at a county railroad crossing, recently fired and not cleaned with half a magazine of personal defense ammo in the magazine. Turned it in to see if it was linked to recent crime in TN. It was reported stolen in Texas during a burglary, 9 months before. Won't help that, but might help on some of the psychos, and dumbasses that have had their legal rights to bear arms revoked for stupidity and lack of self control. I don't see many obvious hoods at the gun ranges. Not sure they like to show ID and sign in to practice at ranges. Ever notice in the papers how many rounds fired at some of the shootings in the big city ant hills compared to the number of people hit? Normal gun owners on average probably have better skills, not to mention discipline.

 

[2aguy]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

Well, I believe you can have background checks without gun registration. They're completely separate issues...

You can't.....because they will use Universal Background checks to get gun registraton...

Let's say they convince people to give them Universal Background checks...this is what happens...

Criminals still get guns using straw buyers or they steal them...... Universal Background checks only cover private sales...which criminals rarely use to get their guns since they are afraid that private sellers are police officers working under cover....so they use baby momma's, mothers and grandmothers to go to gun stores to get their guns...since they can pass any background check. Or, they steal them.....Dennis Prager spent a day with the L.A. Police and they told them that the gangs have dedicated robbery crews who do nothing but look for homes with guns...

So.....they pass Universal background checks....gun crime in democrat party controlled cities doesn't go down, since it is democrat party crime policies and not guns that drive the crime, and mass public shooters still get their guns since they can also pass any background check..or they too steal their guns..

So...nothing really changes.....and then the anti-gunners come back and lie and say...see...the reason UBCs didn't work? We need to know where all the guns are....and then they use people like you who don't understand the issue, and they start the push for gun registration..the same way they pushed for universal background checks....

The goal is gun registration, they don't care about gun crime.

 

[2aguy]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

BS. They have drugs for paranoia now, you know? Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group. Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons. Perhaps your idea of effective gun control for that problem is Charles Bronson.
View attachment 355395

You don't know what you are talking about. You make it up. Actual criminals, the ones doing all of the killing in democrat party controlled cities ignore all background checks......

The only reason the anti-gunners push them and dupes like you support them is to get gun registration.

Which part of what I said, when I stated " Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons.", did you not understand? My brother-in-law found a real fairly new, smith & sesson 9mm pitched out at a county railroad crossing, recently fired and not cleaned with half a magazine of personal defense ammo in the magazine. Turned it in to see if it was linked to recent crime in TN. It was reported stolen in Texas during a burglary, 9 months before. Won't help that, but might help on some of the psychos, and dumbasses that have had their legal rights to bear arms revoked for stupidity and lack of self control. I don't see many obvious hoods at the gun ranges. Not sure they like to show ID and sign in to practice at ranges. Ever notice in the papers how many rounds fired at some of the shootings in the big city ant hills compared to the number of people hit? Normal gun owners on average probably have better skills, not to mention discipline.

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Number killed?

73

Number of people murdered by gun in 2018? ( most recent FBI homicide data)

10,265


So no...it doesn't merit Universal Background Checks and the legal peril they create for normal gun owners....sorry, you are just wrong.

They want gun registration......also, they want to punish normal gun owners for owning guns.......as you can see by the laws they want to pass and the attack on normal gun owners..

When you see the bait and switch.....how they claim to want to stop criminals, but instead turn normal people into criminals then you might understand why they want universal background checks.....and it has nothing to do with stopping crime..

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.


If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.
And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
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The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
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HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
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Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

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Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.
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Gun Control Won't Stop Crime

“Universal” Background Checks


Part of the genius of the Bloomberg gun control system is how it creates prohibitions indirectly.

Bloomberg’s so-called “universal” background check scheme is a prime example

These bills are never just about having background checks on the private sales of firearms. That aspect is the part that the public is told about. Yet when you read the Bloomberg laws, you find that checks on private sales are the tip of a very large iceberg of gun prohibition.



First, the bills criminalize a vast amount of innocent activity.

Suppose you are an nra Certified Instructor teaching an introductory safety class. Under your supervision, students will handle a variety of unloaded firearms. They will learn how different guns have different safeties, and they will learn the safe way to hand a firearm to another person. But thanks to Bloomberg, these classroom firearm lessons are now illegal in Washington state, unless the class takes place at a shooting range.

It’s now also illegal to lend a gun to your friend, so that you can shoot together at a range on your own property. Or to lend a firearm for a week to your neighbor who is being stalked.

Under the Bloomberg system, gun loans are generally forbidden, unless the gun owner and the borrower both go to a gun store first. The store must process the loan as if the store were selling the gun out of its inventory.

Then, when your friend wants to return your gun to you, both of you must go to the gun store again. This time, the store will process that transaction as if you were buying the gun from the store’s inventory. For both the loan and the return of the gun, you will have to pay whatever fees the store charges, and whatever fees the government might charge.

The gun store will have to keep a permanent record of you, your friend and the gun, including the gun’s serial number. Depending on the state or city, the government might also keep a permanent record.

In other words, the “background check” law is really a law to expand gun registration—and registration lists are used for confiscation. Consider New York City. In 1967, violent crime in the city was out of control. So the City Council and Mayor John Lindsay required registration of all long guns. The criminals, obviously, did not comply. Thanks to the 1911 Sullivan Act, New York City already had established registration lists for handgun owners.

Then, in 1991, the City Council decided that many lawfully registered firearms were now illegal “assault weapons.” The New York Police Department used the registration lists to ensure that the guns were either surrendered to the government or moved out of the city. When he was mayor of New York City, Bloomberg did the same, after the “assault weapon” law was expanded to cover any rifle or shotgun with an ammunition capacity greater than five rounds.

In Australia and Great Britain—which are often cited as models for the U.S. to follow—registration lists were used for gun confiscation. In Great Britain, this included all handguns; in Australia, handguns over .38 caliber. Both countries banned all semi-automatic or pump-action long guns.

Most American jurisdictions don’t have a comprehensive gun registration system. But even if your state legislature has outlawed gun registration, firearm stores must keep records. Those records could be harvested for future confiscations. Under the Bloomberg system, the store’s list would include not just the guns that the store actually sold, but all the guns (and their owners) that the store processed, for friends or relatives borrowing guns.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

Well, I believe you can have background checks without gun registration. They're completely separate issues...

You can't.....because they will use Universal Background checks to get gun registraton...

Let's say they convince people to give them Universal Background checks...this is what happens...

Criminals still get guns using straw buyers or they steal them...... Universal Background checks only cover private sales...which criminals rarely use to get their guns since they are afraid that private sellers are police officers working under cover....so they use baby momma's, mothers and grandmothers to go to gun stores to get their guns...since they can pass any background check. Or, they steal them.....Dennis Prager spent a day with the L.A. Police and they told them that the gangs have dedicated robbery crews who do nothing but look for homes with guns...

So.....they pass Universal background checks....gun crime in democrat party controlled cities doesn't go down, since it is democrat party crime policies and not guns that drive the crime, and mass public shooters still get their guns since they can also pass any background check..or they too steal their guns..

So...nothing really changes.....and then the anti-gunners come back and lie and say...see...the reason UBCs didn't work? We need to know where all the guns are....and then they use people like you who don't understand the issue, and they start the push for gun registration..the same way they pushed for universal background checks....

The goal is gun registration, they don't care about gun crime.

Well, we need to agree that nothing will ever keep criminals from getting guns.

You haven't shown the connection between background checks and registration. You're simply insisting that, because background checks won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals that the next logical step is registration. I disagree with that and, I can assure you, I understand the issue completely.

If I want to buy a gun, I have no problem with having a background check (although, as a CCW holder, it's not required for me). Florida requires a background check, but they don't require registration. It's been this way for a long time...

 

[2aguy]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

Well, I believe you can have background checks without gun registration. They're completely separate issues...

You can't.....because they will use Universal Background checks to get gun registraton...

Let's say they convince people to give them Universal Background checks...this is what happens...

Criminals still get guns using straw buyers or they steal them...... Universal Background checks only cover private sales...which criminals rarely use to get their guns since they are afraid that private sellers are police officers working under cover....so they use baby momma's, mothers and grandmothers to go to gun stores to get their guns...since they can pass any background check. Or, they steal them.....Dennis Prager spent a day with the L.A. Police and they told them that the gangs have dedicated robbery crews who do nothing but look for homes with guns...

So.....they pass Universal background checks....gun crime in democrat party controlled cities doesn't go down, since it is democrat party crime policies and not guns that drive the crime, and mass public shooters still get their guns since they can also pass any background check..or they too steal their guns..

So...nothing really changes.....and then the anti-gunners come back and lie and say...see...the reason UBCs didn't work? We need to know where all the guns are....and then they use people like you who don't understand the issue, and they start the push for gun registration..the same way they pushed for universal background checks....

The goal is gun registration, they don't care about gun crime.

Well, we need to agree that nothing will ever keep criminals from getting guns.

You haven't shown the connection between background checks and registration. You're simply insisting that, because background checks won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals that the next logical step is registration. I disagree with that and, I can assure you, I understand the issue completely.

If I want to buy a gun, I have no problem with having a background check (although, as a CCW holder, it's not required for me). Florida requires a background check, but they don't require registration. It's been this way for a long time...

No, you don't....the anti-gun extremists will claim the only reason the criminals keep getting illegal guns after they pass universal gun registration is that we don't know who originally had the guns...so can't know if the background checks are actually being done.....so...the media push will begin, demanding gun registration...just like all of their other nonsense gun control pushes.

You don't understand the anti-gun agenda and their ultimate goals.

 

[White 6]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

And you don't care about the real reason for the demand for Universal Background Checks. The only reason the anti-gunners want them is to demand gun registration. There is no other reason to have them.....no reason at all.

You can't explain how they do anything you feel they do........

We already have background checks for guns at gun stores...and the criminals ignore them by using straw buyers or stealing their guns......

Criminals will ignore universal background checks by using straw buyers or stealing their guns.......

The only reason they want Universal Background checks is to get gun registration.......it is a side benefit that they can use UBCs to put normal gun owners in prison....they do like that aspect too...

BS. They have drugs for paranoia now, you know? Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group. Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons. Perhaps your idea of effective gun control for that problem is Charles Bronson.
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You don't know what you are talking about. You make it up. Actual criminals, the ones doing all of the killing in democrat party controlled cities ignore all background checks......

The only reason the anti-gunners push them and dupes like you support them is to get gun registration.

Which part of what I said, when I stated " Never said it would keep the boys-in-tha-hood from getting weapons.", did you not understand? My brother-in-law found a real fairly new, smith & sesson 9mm pitched out at a county railroad crossing, recently fired and not cleaned with half a magazine of personal defense ammo in the magazine. Turned it in to see if it was linked to recent crime in TN. It was reported stolen in Texas during a burglary, 9 months before. Won't help that, but might help on some of the psychos, and dumbasses that have had their legal rights to bear arms revoked for stupidity and lack of self control. I don't see many obvious hoods at the gun ranges. Not sure they like to show ID and sign in to practice at ranges. Ever notice in the papers how many rounds fired at some of the shootings in the big city ant hills compared to the number of people hit? Normal gun owners on average probably have better skills, not to mention discipline.

Mass public shootings in 2019?

10

Number killed?

73

Number of people murdered by gun in 2018? ( most recent FBI homicide data)

10,265


So no...it doesn't merit Universal Background Checks and the legal peril they create for normal gun owners....sorry, you are just wrong.

They want gun registration......also, they want to punish normal gun owners for owning guns.......as you can see by the laws they want to pass and the attack on normal gun owners..

When you see the bait and switch.....how they claim to want to stop criminals, but instead turn normal people into criminals then you might understand why they want universal background checks.....and it has nothing to do with stopping crime..

Textual analysis of HR8, bill to "To require a background check for every firearm sale"

Summary

HR8 requires that loans, gifts, and sales of firearms be processed by a gun store. The same fees, paperwork, and permanent record-keeping apply as to buying a new gun from the store.


If you loan a gun to a friend without going to the gun store, the penalty is the same as for knowingly selling a gun to a convicted violent felon.

Likewise, when the friend returns the gun, another trip to the gun store is necessary, upon pain of felony.

A clever trick in HR8 effectively bans handguns for persons 18-to20.

The bill has some narrow exemptions. The minuscule exemption for self-defense does not cover stalking victims. None of the exemptions cover farming and ranching, sharing guns on almost all public and private lands, or storing guns with friends while on vacation. The limited exemption for family excludes first cousins and in-laws.
And this......they love this...

The bill authorizes unlimited fees to be imposed by
regulation.
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The narrowness of the self-defense exemption endangers domestic violence victims. For example, a former domestic partner threatens a woman and her children. An attack might come in the next hour, or the next month, or never. The victim and her children cannot know. Because the attack is uncertain—and is certainly not "immediate"—the woman cannot borrow a handgun from a neighbor for her defense. Many domestic violence victims do not have several hundred spare dollars so that they can buy their own gun. Sometimes, threats are manifested at night, when gun stores are not open.
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HR8 requires almost all firearms sales and loans to be conducted by a federally-licensed dealer. Because federal law prohibits licensed dealers from transferring handguns to persons under 21 years, HR8 prevents young adults from acquiring handguns. This is a clever way to enact a handgun ban indirectly.

HR8 would prohibit a 20-year-old woman who lives on her own from acquiring a handgun for self-defense in her home, such as by buying it from a relative or borrowing it from a friend.
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Exorbitant fees may be imposed by regulation

"(3)(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Attorney General may implement this sub-section with regulations."

"(D) Regulations promulgated under this paragraph may not include any provision placing a cap on the fee licensees may charge to facilitate transfers in accordance with paragraph (1)."

Regulators may set a minimum fee, but not "a cap on a fee." The Attorney General is allowed to require that every gun store charge a fee of $30, $50, $150, or more. Even a $20 fee can be a hard burden to a poor person.

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Family members

You can make a "a loan or bona fide gift" to some family members. In-laws and cousins are excluded.

The family exemption vanishes if one family member pays the other in any way. If a brother trades an extra shotgun to his sister in exchange for her extra television, both of them have to go to a gun store. Their exchange will have all the fees and paperwork as if she were buying a gun from the store.
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Gun Control Won't Stop Crime

“Universal” Background Checks


Part of the genius of the Bloomberg gun control system is how it creates prohibitions indirectly.

Bloomberg’s so-called “universal” background check scheme is a prime example

These bills are never just about having background checks on the private sales of firearms. That aspect is the part that the public is told about. Yet when you read the Bloomberg laws, you find that checks on private sales are the tip of a very large iceberg of gun prohibition.



First, the bills criminalize a vast amount of innocent activity.

Suppose you are an nra Certified Instructor teaching an introductory safety class. Under your supervision, students will handle a variety of unloaded firearms. They will learn how different guns have different safeties, and they will learn the safe way to hand a firearm to another person. But thanks to Bloomberg, these classroom firearm lessons are now illegal in Washington state, unless the class takes place at a shooting range.

It’s now also illegal to lend a gun to your friend, so that you can shoot together at a range on your own property. Or to lend a firearm for a week to your neighbor who is being stalked.

Under the Bloomberg system, gun loans are generally forbidden, unless the gun owner and the borrower both go to a gun store first. The store must process the loan as if the store were selling the gun out of its inventory.

Then, when your friend wants to return your gun to you, both of you must go to the gun store again. This time, the store will process that transaction as if you were buying the gun from the store’s inventory. For both the loan and the return of the gun, you will have to pay whatever fees the store charges, and whatever fees the government might charge.

The gun store will have to keep a permanent record of you, your friend and the gun, including the gun’s serial number. Depending on the state or city, the government might also keep a permanent record.

In other words, the “background check” law is really a law to expand gun registration—and registration lists are used for confiscation. Consider New York City. In 1967, violent crime in the city was out of control. So the City Council and Mayor John Lindsay required registration of all long guns. The criminals, obviously, did not comply. Thanks to the 1911 Sullivan Act, New York City already had established registration lists for handgun owners.

Then, in 1991, the City Council decided that many lawfully registered firearms were now illegal “assault weapons.” The New York Police Department used the registration lists to ensure that the guns were either surrendered to the government or moved out of the city. When he was mayor of New York City, Bloomberg did the same, after the “assault weapon” law was expanded to cover any rifle or shotgun with an ammunition capacity greater than five rounds.

In Australia and Great Britain—which are often cited as models for the U.S. to follow—registration lists were used for gun confiscation. In Great Britain, this included all handguns; in Australia, handguns over .38 caliber. Both countries banned all semi-automatic or pump-action long guns.

Most American jurisdictions don’t have a comprehensive gun registration system. But even if your state legislature has outlawed gun registration, firearm stores must keep records. Those records could be harvested for future confiscations. Under the Bloomberg system, the store’s list would include not just the guns that the store actually sold, but all the guns (and their owners) that the store processed, for friends or relatives borrowing guns.

What in the world does anything you said reflect in any possible way of what I said. You are like a scratched phonograph record going back to the same, as all you you guys are. Paid by the new Russian backed NRA of just not to bright?

 

[justinacolmena]

what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks...

They're working Democrats. They file cocked-up charges for stupid shit against Republicans in Democrat District Court in order to disqualify them from the Democrat labor union workforce, and impoverish them into dependency on Democrat social assistance.

..get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

That "sovereign citizen" guy wasn't on drugs and never did anything to hurt anyone, but he was convicted of multiple counts of "unlawful" possession "illegal" weapons by a feloniously minded or allegedly "mentally ill" person. That's what all the Democrat gun charges are all about in Democrat court, when the Democrat cops go on their rounds to seize Republican weapons.

 

[night_son]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Tell me about it. Right now, here in Maryland, the state firearm background check system is down due to a "bug" or glitch which just happened to hit at a time when many citizens most need to defend themselves. Coincidence? We don't think so.

Citing a ‘catastrophic hardware failure,’ Maryland State Police report delays in gun background checks and licenses

Maryland State Police warned this week of delays to background checks for those purchasing firearms because of a “catastrophic hardware failure” to a state data system. The hardware fai…

www.baltimoresun.com

 

[justinacolmena]

state firearm background check system is down due to a "bug" or glitch which just happened to hit at a time when many citizens most need to defend themselves. Coincidence? We don't think so.

Of course it's no coincidence. For one thing, it's not state, it's federal. It's the feds who revoked our rights and blamed it on state courts.

The Communist Party gun control "system" was made dependent on a national computer database by federal law.

Firearms Checks (NICS) | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) conducts background checks on people who want to own a firearm or explosive, as required by law.

www.fbi.gov

 

[Mytwocents]

I don't have a problem with background checks. That addresses gun safety. I don't want some guy with a history of, say, mental instability coupled with violence to have a Colt Python.

Gun registration? Ya'll can kiss my entire white ass...

The only reason they want universal background checks is to come back and demand gun registration.

Well, I believe you can have background checks without gun registration. They're completely separate issues...

You can't.....because they will use Universal Background checks to get gun registraton...

Let's say they convince people to give them Universal Background checks...this is what happens...

Criminals still get guns using straw buyers or they steal them...... Universal Background checks only cover private sales...which criminals rarely use to get their guns since they are afraid that private sellers are police officers working under cover....so they use baby momma's, mothers and grandmothers to go to gun stores to get their guns...since they can pass any background check. Or, they steal them.....Dennis Prager spent a day with the L.A. Police and they told them that the gangs have dedicated robbery crews who do nothing but look for homes with guns...

So.....they pass Universal background checks....gun crime in democrat party controlled cities doesn't go down, since it is democrat party crime policies and not guns that drive the crime, and mass public shooters still get their guns since they can also pass any background check..or they too steal their guns..

So...nothing really changes.....and then the anti-gunners come back and lie and say...see...the reason UBCs didn't work? We need to know where all the guns are....and then they use people like you who don't understand the issue, and they start the push for gun registration..the same way they pushed for universal background checks....

The goal is gun registration, they don't care about gun crime.

Well, we need to agree that nothing will ever keep criminals from getting guns.

You haven't shown the connection between background checks and registration. You're simply insisting that, because background checks won't keep guns out of the hands of criminals that the next logical step is registration. I disagree with that and, I can assure you, I understand the issue completely.

If I want to buy a gun, I have no problem with having a background check (although, as a CCW holder, it's not required for me). Florida requires a background check, but they don't require registration. It's been this way for a long time...

No, you don't....the anti-gun extremists will claim the only reason the criminals keep getting illegal guns after they pass universal gun registration is that we don't know who originally had the guns...so can't know if the background checks are actually being done.....so...the media push will begin, demanding gun registration...just like all of their other nonsense gun control pushes.

You don't understand the anti-gun agenda and their ultimate goals.

Another issue to address, regarding gun control, is the fact that as kids are going through the public school system, they're having mental health assessments, which will now follow them their entire life. So, take example, little Bobby, at age 5 or 6, is simply having a temper tantrum, may be pulled into the counselor's office, have a "talking to" about his behavior, and at the same time, have a mental evaluation performed. Little Bobby's parents could be going through some difficulties, such as all parents do, or maybe Little Bobby is just having a "bad day". Could be the next "mass shooter"? Who knows? But let's say he threw a few tantrums, like most of us did when we were kids, yet he grows up to be a responsible, respectful man, maybe with a family, forgetting about those "childish times ", UNTIL he decides to purchase a firearm. Due to the mental health assessments he received years ago in school, which were performed by a licensed therapist, he now cannot own a firearm. Do you see where this is going and the problems that may arise from it? So, the gun control advocates start with future generations, using the "mental health " card, for situations that are common and everyday,(everything now has a diagnosis/label) in order to prevent the sales of firearms to future law-abiding citizens...(yes, I'm sure this tactic will possibly weed out some mentally unstable people, but it will also damage the credibility of others...so where is the line drawn?...)

 

[justinacolmena]

mental health assessment

Instant lifetime gun ban. No defense. No appeal. No recourse in this life. That's the law as they enforce it.

 

[Indeependent]

Yep....but what they do do is make it easier for anti-gunners to persecute normal gun owners, and it also allows them to demand gun registration...which is the real goal behind the demand for Universal Background checks....

If you really want to stop criminals with guns.....get the democrats to stop releasing violent, repeat gun offenders into our inner city neighborhoods........

The state of California has had a comprehensive background check law on the books for 10 years. Researchers at UC Davis School of Medicine have studied gun violence in CA during that period and found there was no change in the number of gun homicides or gun suicides. The researchers use the term “comprehensive background check” instead of universal background check. And another study by the same authors found that the repeal of comprehensive background check laws in Tennessee and Indiana had no effect on gun homicides or suicide rates in either state.

Johns Hopkins School of Public Health looked at comprehensive background check laws in large, urban counties in the U.S. and found they were actually associated with an increase in firearm homicides in those counties. That study found “no benefit” of a CBC law without an accompanying permit-to-purchase law.

Do Universal Background Checks Prevent Gun Violence?

Are they even effective?

wamu.org

Pretty good at weeding out some of the lesser dumbasses, criminals, wife beaters, and people of less than normal self control that do not need to get their weapons through normal supply chains. I am a gun owner, carry permit holder and have had access to legal firearms all my life. I support universal background checks and think everyone should. Even the NRA supported background checks at one time, back when they were about training, safety and sportsmanship, before they found out there is better money in being an advocacy group.

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Shotgun or rifle?
My front corridor is only wide enough to allow for one intruder at a time.