Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.
 
  1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
  2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
  3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
  4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare
 
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

They might get medical care, but they do not get healthcare.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.
How weak is your argument that you have to talk about Germany 80 years ago...
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.

I think the Germans are doing things a bit different to Hitler's time but thanks for bringing it up... How did the American system treat the Native Indians for smallpox...
 
  1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
  2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
  3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
  4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

Well you are right European will be treated for free... It is a scheme run by the EU to pick up the bill in the US...

Why doesn't the US treat its citizens with the same respect as EU?
Sorry there is no profit in that....Europeans get 'Get well soon' cards when sick and vulnerable, US a bill...
 
  1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
  2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
  3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
  4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare
It’s not free as you and I indirectly pay for it.
 
  1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
  2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
  3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
  4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.
Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost
Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

Well you are right European will be treated for free... It is a scheme run by the EU to pick up the bill in the US...

Why doesn't the US treat its citizens with the same respect as EU?
Sorry there is no profit in that....Europeans get 'Get well soon' cards when sick and vulnerable, US a bill...
Because our healthcare system is messed up and no such thing as “Europeans”. Each country has disparate healthcare policies. In Spain the income tax is 51%. So basically you’re working for the free for 6 mos.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.

I think the Germans are doing things a bit different to Hitler's time but thanks for bringing it up... How did the American system treat the Native Indians for smallpox...


There was no effective curative treatment for Smallpox at the time.
 
Our system sucks and repubs have nothing to offer. We will likely get universal healthcare eventually. Other countries have shown it can be much cheaper.

Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

Well you are right European will be treated for free... It is a scheme run by the EU to pick up the bill in the US...

Why doesn't the US treat its citizens with the same respect as EU?
Sorry there is no profit in that....Europeans get 'Get well soon' cards when sick and vulnerable, US a bill...
Because our healthcare system is messed up and no such thing as “Europeans”. Each country has disparate healthcare policies. In Spain the income tax is 51%. So basically you’re working for the free for 6 mos.

You mean 45% on over €60,0000 for a single person...

Tax in Spain for Expats

So for the average wage the Spanish guy pays less tax...
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.
How weak is your argument that you have to talk about Germany 80 years ago...

That's what we were fighting to stop during WWII.

We didn't want the Germans to bring National Socialism to America- and nazism 3 pillars of Government Healthcare, Gun control and Genocide.

A lot of guys are really heartbroken. They got conscripted into the military to stop Hitler at great personal sacrifice, and Hitler got his revenge as socialized medicine was still implemented here under the ACA banner
 
Correct but the richest nation in the world can bail out the big banks and make them bigger and more powerful, electronically print enormous amount of money via the Fed and give it to the richest 1%, spend a trillion dollars annually to fund imperialism and the war machine.

The richest nation in the world needs to rethink priorities...no?
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Our system sucks so bad people come from all over the world to get their treatment. Moron. Go to Cuba

So a rich foreigner can get treated but a US citizen can't and you go success...

Again and we keep on repeating this... This discussion is not about the quality of the treatment (which is a different issue), it is about access...

Any first world country can tomorrow morning have the best treatment centers in the world with close to 100% successful outcomes... Just don't treat sick people... Do you think taking out people with preexisting conditions is about treating sick people?
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

Well you are right European will be treated for free... It is a scheme run by the EU to pick up the bill in the US...

Why doesn't the US treat its citizens with the same respect as EU?
Sorry there is no profit in that....Europeans get 'Get well soon' cards when sick and vulnerable, US a bill...
Because our healthcare system is messed up and no such thing as “Europeans”. Each country has disparate healthcare policies. In Spain the income tax is 51%. So basically you’re working for the free for 6 mos.

You mean 45% on over €60,0000 for a single person...

Tax in Spain for Expats

So for the average wage the Spanish guy pays less tax...

Who said anything about Expats?
 
Illegals already get free US healthcare.

Homeless already get free US healthcare

People from foreign countries get off the plane at JFK, take an Uber to any City Hospital, and they get free healthcare

They might get medical care, but they do not get healthcare.

WTF are you babbling about? They don't get free tai chi and yoga?

I apologize. I forgot I cannot use such big words with you, they are too confusing for you.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?

Low unemployment: yes

Large surplus: yes, but remember, the budget must be balanced, this is to say, the government is not a private business trying to make profit. 1.8% is between accepted parameters for a budget. On the other hand, 4.6% deficit is considered unacceptable in other countries, and in the 70's banks used to force countries with such kind of deficits to increase their inflation in order to pay "on time" their debt.

Highly educated workforce (free third level education): yes, you can tell about it when you travel to Germany and talk with people, they show intellect and manners. (Well, as it is understood, this impression of mine is based solely in a certain area, I can't tell about the whole country)

Large immigrated population: You better read this: (I have removed the link address, but in the search engine copy and paste the following:) Angela Merkel "multiculturalism in Germany has utterly failed" This is a problem here in the US as well. When immigrants travel from country to country and settled on the new land, they are supposed to assimilate themselves to the society of the land. The main problem is when immigrants try to make "their own society" inside the native society of the land. In this case, the most appropriate word is "invasion" instead of "immigration". It is acceptable for immigrants to keep their customs as long as those won't interfere with the rest of the established customs of the country. I have encountered several immigrants who don't consider themselves as "Americans" but keep their nationality as their identity, even when they officially became US citizens. And worst, they teach their born US children to identify themselves as of the nationality of their parents. This is a problem in Germany as well, the great majority of Muslims reject to assimilate to their new place, and on the contrary, they try to make their zone as a small foreign "nation". Merkel just noticed the error made when they didn't care about this situation from the very beginning. The best was to split immigrants into several areas located at great distances from each other, and doing so, one immigrant or family "per town" should have speed their assimilation to the German society without problems. I just say.

Good Environmental Standards: yes. But I prefer to call it "cleanness environmental standards". You must be aware that they don't do it much because they want to but because they have to. If you don't have oil in your land, then of course you will look for other sources of energy. Simple. It happens that in Europe they have no other choice but look for alternative energy sources which must be manufactured in a convenient way for their economy. But here in the US, the most convenient way is using oil as the source of energy, here oil can be obtained just by drilling the floor. Even when "logic" is not accepted to validate a scientific argument, in this case, well, it is "logic" having the US exploiting oil like crazy because it does help to the economy... I don't say for the country in general, but for the "economy". (Someones are getting rich, not everybody)

Strong social safety net: I don't know what you mean kemo sabe.

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In my opinion, because this is not a topic for politics even when politics is what rules its whereabouts, universal health care must be funded not by income tax or salary deductions but by taxes on -lets say- gasoline.

You increase a 25% or much more tax to every gallon of gasoline and you have enough funds to cover universal health care for everybody -even tourists if they get sick or have an accident between the borders of the US- and perhaps you can add dental care, vision, and I guess will be leftover funds to vaccinate your pets... but not enough for your manicure, pedicure and similar. Don't push it.

In my opinion, I consider to exploit the main source of daily currency transaction, which is buying fuel for all kind of vehicles and trucks.

What you save paying every two weeks or monthly payments in health care, will be paid every time someone buys fuel. Even buses -from government- buy gasoline/diesel at the pump station.

I think this is how a Universal health Care could be accomplished in the US. I know you will find an error in my thoughts, but my intentions are guided to find a way to reach such a goal. That's all.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.
How weak is your argument that you have to talk about Germany 80 years ago...

That's what we were fighting to stop during WWII.

We didn't want the Germans to bring National Socialism to America- and nazism 3 pillars of Government Healthcare, Gun control and Genocide.

A lot of guys are really heartbroken. They got conscripted into the military to stop Hitler at great personal sacrifice, and Hitler got his revenge as socialized medicine was still implemented here under the ACA banner

Hitler is not and never was a "socialist" any more than Donald Trump is a Republican. Hitler co-opted the "National Socialist Party" and never changed the name, but Hitler was not a socialist. As soon as someone says "Hitler was a socialist", you betray your abject ignorance about Hitler and the German Nazis.

The bald fact is that Hitler was so opposed to socialism and communism, the rest of the European leaders thought he was a bullwark against the advances of communism in Europe. So with ANYONE who knows the slightest bit about WWII and Nazi Germany, you're an idiot.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?


If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.
How weak is your argument that you have to talk about Germany 80 years ago...

That's what we were fighting to stop during WWII.

We didn't want the Germans to bring National Socialism to America- and nazism 3 pillars of Government Healthcare, Gun control and Genocide.

A lot of guys are really heartbroken. They got conscripted into the military to stop Hitler at great personal sacrifice, and Hitler got his revenge as socialized medicine was still implemented here under the ACA banner

Hitler is not and never was a "socialist" any more than Donald Trump is a Republican. Hitler co-opted the "National Socialist Party" and never changed the name, but Hitler was not a socialist. As soon as someone says "Hitler was a socialist", you betray your abject ignorance about Hitler and the German Nazis.

The bald fact is that Hitler was so opposed to socialism and communism, the rest of the European leaders thought he was a bullwark against the advances of communism in Europe. So with ANYONE who knows the slightest bit about WWII and Nazi Germany, you're an idiot.



Of course you are absolutely wrong here. Hitler never repealed and replaced his risky socialized medical scheme, Hitlercare.

Further, Hitler and Stalin were BFF's for years. Thick as thieves, cooperating in a joint socialist invasion of Poland in the fall of 1939. War did break out between the two liberal regimes in June, 1941- however the dispute had nothing to do with ideological differences. Both the USSR and Germany were in agreement that Tyranny and Despotism was the way to go.
 
The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:
  • Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
  • A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
  • Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
  • Large immigrated population
  • Good Environmental Standards
  • Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?

As Paul Harvey would say, here is the "REST OF THE STORY"! Why you lie so much?

US income tax on $44,400.00 = $3,670.00
German Income tax on 40,000.00 Euros (current value) = 6,624.00

US Social Security on $44,400.00 = $2,752.80
US Medicare = $643.80
German SS on 40,000.00 Euros = 7,290.00

US Net Income = $37,333.00
German Net Income = €25,721.68


Somehow, you neglected to mention the VAT (Value Added Tax) on almost all purchases. Somewhat less on food. In Germany that tax is 19%

Buy a car in Germany for €40,000.00 VAT is €7,600,00
Buy a car in the US, in Florida 6% sales tax, $2,400.00

Buy a suit in Germany for €1,000.00 VAT is $190.00
Buy a suit in the US for $1,000.00 Sales tax is $60.00

German tax calculation
German Income Tax and Salary Calculator 2019/20

US tax calculation
https://us.icalculator.info/salary-illustration/44400.html

More?
 
Buy a suit in Germany for €1,000.00 VAT is $190.00
Buy a suit in the US for $1,000.00 Sales tax is $60.00

German tax calculation
German Income Tax and Salary Calculator 2019/20

US tax calculation
https://us.icalculator.info/salary-illustration/44400.html

More?


Here in Pennsylvania, clothing is exempt from sales tax. Huge attraction is the outlet mall here in Mercer County on I 79. Folks flock down from Canada- not terribly far away- as well as New York State even closer, to buy their wardrobes here. Canadians get schlonged with a massive VAT. They can get their medical services here in America while they are here.
 

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