Universal Healthcare - will not work in the US

[Markle]

Hitler is not and never was a "socialist" any more than Donald Trump is a Republican. Hitler co-opted the "National Socialist Party" and never changed the name, but Hitler was not a socialist. As soon as someone says "Hitler was a socialist", you betray your abject ignorance about Hitler and the German Nazis.

The bald fact is that Hitler was so opposed to socialism and communism, the rest of the European leaders thought he was a bullwark against the advances of communism in Europe. So with ANYONE who knows the slightest bit about WWII and Nazi Germany, you're an idiot.

By the very definition of Socialism, how was Adolph Hitler NOT a Socialist?

Did, or did not, Adolph Hitler control every aspect of the German economy?

What part is not clear to you?

socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN

1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · social democracy · laborism · Marxism · Leninism · Marxism–Leninism · neo-Marxism · Trotskyism · Maoism
   antonyms:
   conservatism
2. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
   synonyms:
   leftism · Fabianism · syndicalism · consumer socialism · utopian socialism · welfarism · communism · Bolshevism · radicalism · militancy · progressivism · social democracy · laborism · Marxism · Leninism · Marxism–Leninism · neo-Marxism · Trotskyism · Maoism
   antonyms:
   conservatism
3. (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

QED

 

[Markle]

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

A slightly different thing. In my opinion, every world leader of significant countries should have their own physician. It has nothing to do with what is provided to the citizens.

Dr. Ted Morrell pumped Adolph Hitler with various drugs including Methamphetamines. Hitler was working extreme hours. Dr. Morrell treated him with crystal meth and Hitler felt great and could work even longer. The side effects of crystal meth were not well known. The effects on him became obvious by the end of the war.

Blitzkrieg was made possible because of crystal meth, then under the trade name Pervitin, was manufactured by the millions and passed out like breath mints.

 

[Markle]

Well you are right European will be treated for free... It is a scheme run by the EU to pick up the bill in the US...

Why doesn't the US treat its citizens with the same respect as EU?
Sorry there is no profit in that....Europeans get 'Get well soon' cards when sick and vulnerable, US a bill...

Why do we want to treat US citizens with far inferior health care?

 

[Markle]

Further, Hitler and Stalin were BFF's for years. Thick as thieves, cooperating in a joint socialist invasion of Poland in the fall of 1939. War did break out between the two liberal regimes in June, 1941- however the dispute had nothing to do with ideological differences. Both the USSR and Germany were in agreement that Tyranny and Despotism was the way to go.

Wow! You have a terribly warped vision of the relationship between Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Stalin August 23, 1939, for the sole purpose of keeping Stalin at bay until Hitler had accomplished his goals in Western Europe. Hitler wanted to attack Russia on his timetable, not Stalin's.

 

[healthmyths]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

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And there NEVER was a "health care crisis"! Obama lied when he said View attachment 288061

Wrong.
There actually are likely more like 100 million uninsured.
And it does not matter if they are illegals, could have been covered under some plan they did not know about, or because they were too young and stupid to realize they needed health care.
The point is that preventive health care access saves huge mounts of cost, everyone needs access and coverage, and the ER is way too expensive as a means of health care.
But the reality is that costs are ridiculously high, over twice what they should be, and the costs have to be brought down by some means.

Really? 100 million uninsured?
The percentage of people with health insurance coverage for all or part of 2018 was 91.5 percent, lower than the rate in 2017 (92.1 percent).
In 2018, private health insurance coverage continued to be more prevalent than public coverage, covering 67.3 percent of the population and 34.4 percent of the population, respectively.
Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2018
SO DUMMY!!! if 91.5% of 326 million Americans have health insurance...hmmm that leaves..27 million...!!! NOT your dumb ass guess of 100 million!
GEEZ support you stupid comment with FACTS... PLEASE!!

 

[CowboyTed]

The truth is Germany has
Universal Health Coverage

It also has:

• Low Unemployment 3.1% (US is 3.5%)
• A large surplus 1.8% (US is 4.6% deficit)
• Highly educated workforce (free third level education)
• Large immigrated population
• Good Environmental Standards
• Strong social safety net

and on average wages($44000 for single person) (US or Germany) they pay less tax (very marginally) than a US Citizen.

Also twenty years ago Germany reunited which caused a major recession.

Scratch your head around that one for a while. Is the US continuation down the right wing trickle down method really working?

If German Socialized Medicine is such a swell idea, why do those Germans who can, avoid the system?

German leader Adolf Hitler recruited a highly paid private physician with a tremendous reputation, Dr. Ted Morrell, to treat him instead of using his Hitlercare plan at no cost.

Germans are still making claims of bad treatment from German Government physician ,Dr. Joe Mengele. Mengele was a government employee who didn't send his patients bills and treated them without regards to their finances. But he was still a quack.

How weak is your argument that you have to talk about Germany 80 years ago...

That's what we were fighting to stop during WWII.

We didn't want the Germans to bring National Socialism to America- and nazism 3 pillars of Government Healthcare, Gun control and Genocide.

A lot of guys are really heartbroken. They got conscripted into the military to stop Hitler at great personal sacrifice, and Hitler got his revenge as socialized medicine was still implemented here under the ACA banner

Utter bullshit...

That statement tells us nothing about Healthcare in the US or Europe...

This shows you will just group up things you hate and put them together... This just makes you look deranged and misguided...

 

[JoeB131]

Medical Tourism is a myth. More Americans travel to Mexico for cheap treatment than foreigners to America for "Good" Treatment.

The fact that some rich person from Saudi Arabia can get a treatment here your insurance won't cover is nothing to be proud of.

So 52 K people out of 33 Million sought treatment outside of Canada (which Canadian Health Care still paid for). That's statistically an insignifigant amount.

Receiving Treatment outside of Canada can also include tourists who took ill in another country.

MEANWHILE-

Thousands of Americans cross border into Mexico for affordable medical treatment each year

 

[JoeB131]

By the very definition of Socialism, how was Adolph Hitler NOT a Socialist?

Did, or did not, Adolph Hitler control every aspect of the German economy?

Well, the fact is Krupp, Seimens, and all the other big German Corporations weren't taken over by the government... they continued as private entities.

Big Business loved them some Nazis.... once Hitler got rid of Strasser and Roehm and the other "Socialists" who wanted a revolution.

 

[Alexandre Fedorovski]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

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None of your arguments stand up to criticism.
1. A smooth transition from a private insurance system to a state health insurance system is possible
2. There is a whole "constellation" of developed countries in Europe in which higher education, including medical education, is FREE;
3. You are misleading in saying that in Europe they go to paid insurance companies. Give an example. Let's say Germany is Europe’s main economy.
4. Do you believe that Americans have completely lost their sense of CRITICAL thinking ???

Stop Lying to the American people!

The problem is that the American model of social capitalist structure is the most cynical and immoral, parasiting on the hard work of the most of the nation.

It is encouraging that everything has its beginning and its end, including the corporate model of capitalism...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

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None of your arguments stand up to criticism.
1. A smooth transition from a private insurance system to a state health insurance system is possible
2. There is a whole "constellation" of developed countries in Europe in which higher education, including medical education, is FREE;
3. You are misleading in saying that in Europe they go to paid insurance companies. Give an example. Let's say Germany is Europe’s main economy.
4. Do you believe that Americans have completely lost their sense of CRITICAL thinking ???

Stop Lying to the American people!

The problem is that the American model of social capitalist structure is the most cynical and immoral, parasiting on the hard work of the most of the nation.

It is encouraging that everything has its beginning and its end, including the corporate model of capitalism...

Sasha, so you believe my opinion is a lie? How can an opinion be wrong? Please explain.

 

[Markle]

By the very definition of Socialism, how was Adolph Hitler NOT a Socialist?

Did, or did not, Adolph Hitler control every aspect of the German economy?

Well, the fact is Krupp, Seimens, and all the other big German Corporations weren't taken over by the government... they continued as private entities.

Big Business loved them some Nazis.... once Hitler got rid of Strasser and Roehm and the other "Socialists" who wanted a revolution.

RIGHT! Those companies just toddled along, producing what they wanted, making profits, paying all their employees and their stockholders.

 

[Markle]

By the very definition of Socialism, how was Adolph Hitler NOT a Socialist?

Did, or did not, Adolph Hitler control every aspect of the German economy?

Well, the fact is Krupp, Seimens, and all the other big German Corporations weren't taken over by the government... they continued as private entities.

Big Business loved them some Nazis.... once Hitler got rid of Strasser and Roehm and the other "Socialists" who wanted a revolution.

As you know, Siemens used slave labor to produce electrical equipment for the Nazis.

 

[Markle]

None of your arguments stand up to criticism.
1. A smooth transition from a private insurance system to a state health insurance system is possible
2. There is a whole "constellation" of developed countries in Europe in which higher education, including medical education, is FREE;
3. You are misleading in saying that in Europe they go to paid insurance companies. Give an example. Let's say Germany is Europe’s main economy.
4. Do you believe that Americans have completely lost their sense of CRITICAL thinking ???

Stop Lying to the American people!

The problem is that the American model of social capitalist structure is the most cynical and immoral, parasiting on the hard work of the most of the nation.

It is encouraging that everything has its beginning and its end, including the corporate model of capitalism...

The education is not FREE, their punishing taxes leave them with little mobility and restricted to the level they were born into.

Germany, like other countries with state-provided health care, have private insurance for those who can afford better care. So the low-income worker receives minimum care while the more affluent receive better care.

"It is possible to purchase private health insurance policies from any German or international company to boost coverage of government system benefits. Private medical care, private hospital rooms, alternative or homeopathy treatment or better dental coverage could be part of this private health insurance policy."

 

[Rigby5]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

And there NEVER was a "health care crisis"! Obama lied when he said View attachment 288061

Wrong.
There actually are likely more like 100 million uninsured.
And it does not matter if they are illegals, could have been covered under some plan they did not know about, or because they were too young and stupid to realize they needed health care.
The point is that preventive health care access saves huge mounts of cost, everyone needs access and coverage, and the ER is way too expensive as a means of health care.
But the reality is that costs are ridiculously high, over twice what they should be, and the costs have to be brought down by some means.

Rigby, I cannot take you or your opinions seriously as you believe someone who makes $100k per year is wealthy. You’re insane. Are you old?

I don't see how whether or not $100k a year is wealthy is relevant, but clearly poverty level is like $20k a year and average is something like $45k a year. So then over twice average income is wealthy most likely.

No matter how you look at it, public health care is cheaper and better quality.

 

[Rigby5]

By the very definition of Socialism, how was Adolph Hitler NOT a Socialist?

Did, or did not, Adolph Hitler control every aspect of the German economy?

Well, the fact is Krupp, Seimens, and all the other big German Corporations weren't taken over by the government... they continued as private entities.

Big Business loved them some Nazis.... once Hitler got rid of Strasser and Roehm and the other "Socialists" who wanted a revolution.

As you know, Siemens used slave labor to produce electrical equipment for the Nazis.

And slave labor also is the opposite of socialism.
Socialism is when the workers can own the factories.

 

[Dragonlady]

Medical Tourism is a myth. More Americans travel to Mexico for cheap treatment than foreigners to America for "Good" Treatment.

The fact that some rich person from Saudi Arabia can get a treatment here your insurance won't cover is nothing to be proud of.

So 52 K people out of 33 Million sought treatment outside of Canada (which Canadian Health Care still paid for). That's statistically an insignifigant amount.

Receiving Treatment outside of Canada can also include tourists who took ill in another country.

MEANWHILE-

Thousands of Americans cross border into Mexico for affordable medical treatment each year

What is the origin of these numbers? I would say that the figure of 52 K Canadians seeking care out of country, is too high. Even the Fraser Institute, which used a wildly flawed survey mechanism designed to inflate the figures, says the number is around 35,000.

You are correct in assuming that the most of the people who seek treatment in the USA are there either on business or vacation. I know of only one person who I know personally, who went to the US for treatement. I had a friend who broke an ankle in Aspen, and the husband of another friend had a major heart attack while in Florida on business. They stabilized him and flew him back to Toronto for treatment at the Schulich Heart Centre at Sunnybrook Hospital.

OHIP does not pay for medical treatment in the USA, unless the treatment is not available in Canada. At best, you would receive the OHIP scheduled reimbursement rate for the treatment, which wouldn't be anywhere near what you'd be charged for the treatment in the USA. And it would be in Canadian dollars. If a Canadian goes outside the country for treatment, he or she is paying for it. When I travel to the US, I buy out of country health insurance.for the trip.

 

[dblack]

And slave labor also is the opposite of socialism.
Socialism is when the workers can own the factories.

That's the bromide. The practical truth of the matter is that private employers are simply replaced by the government - which provides you with your job, your home, your healthcare, etc, etc... better not piss off your boss!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

1. Too many people are ingrained with private insurance.
2. Education is not free. Becoming a doctor is expensive, they want to get paid and pay off potential student loans. Working for the Gov't does not do that.
3. Private pay provides better care. Even in Europe, the wealthy go that route.
4. Most logical people (on both sides of the aisle) agree with #1 and #2 and #3.

Candidates Who Attacked Warren Over 'Medicare For All' Draw Massive Fundraising Boost

And there NEVER was a "health care crisis"! Obama lied when he said View attachment 288061

Wrong.
There actually are likely more like 100 million uninsured.
And it does not matter if they are illegals, could have been covered under some plan they did not know about, or because they were too young and stupid to realize they needed health care.
The point is that preventive health care access saves huge mounts of cost, everyone needs access and coverage, and the ER is way too expensive as a means of health care.
But the reality is that costs are ridiculously high, over twice what they should be, and the costs have to be brought down by some means.

Rigby, I cannot take you or your opinions seriously as you believe someone who makes $100k per year is wealthy. You’re insane. Are you old?

I don't see how whether or not $100k a year is wealthy is relevant, but clearly poverty level is like $20k a year and average is something like $45k a year. So then over twice average income is wealthy most likely.

No matter how you look at it, public health care is cheaper and better quality.

No, perspective matters and if you're out of touch with reality in terms of earnings and cost of living then your view on most anything else is irrelevant as you're uneducated. Stats don't always paint the real picture.

 

[Markle]

No matter how you look at it, public health care is cheaper and better quality.

As you know, that is not true. Why lie?

 

[Markle]

So 52 K people out of 33 Million sought treatment outside of Canada (which Canadian Health Care still paid for). That's statistically an insignifigant amount.

You do love skirting the truth don't you?

Yes, 52,000 out of 37 million would be statistically insignificant. As you know, that is your desperate attempt to conceal the FACTS. The number you're looking for, honestly, would be the number of people on the waiting lists in Canada for those specialties.

As you know, there were NOT 37 million people who sought the care of one of the specialties listed.

Here you will see that the numbers leaving Canada for proper healthcare is increasing, significantly.

You are being redirected...

What is the length of those waiting lists? So glad you asked!